1. #36881
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I mean just a small search will do no?




    We (as west) are full of such articles. I guess Raytheon, Boeing and co need more money right?

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    Similar results if you search "Russia to attack NATO"
    Oh man, so if you actually specifically search for the term you want you'll find articles? Let's review your list -

    https://news.yahoo.com/bild-russia-m...020819774.html

    European intelligence suggests that Russia may launch an attack on Europe during the winter of 2024-2025 if the United States finds itself "without a leader" following the 2024 U.S. presidential election, the German tabloid Bild reported on Dec. 23, citing an anonymous European intelligence source.
    Well that's a conditional based on a possible future significant event. Not exactly how you make it seem to be, and also a good reason why reading headlines and thinking you know everything about the articles contents is a bad idea.

    https://rusi.org/explore-our-researc...ale-us-support

    Which isn't so much of warning of "imminent invasion" as warning about how Russia has improved its wartime productions and Europe is sleeping on it and having strong production capabilities is an effective deterrent.

    https://www.dw.com/en/russian-army-t...ity/a-67456730

    Europe's NATO member states have just "five to nine years" to become "war-ready" and prepare for a possible Russian attack on the alliance's territory. This warning comes from Preventing the Next War, a policy brief newly released by the German Council on Foreign Relations.
    Again, preparing for possible aggression is different than "they will attack" which is not what any of these articles have said.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...d-of-decade-2/

    Europe could face threats from Russia by the end of the decade, and EU countries need to build up their defence industries to be prepared, German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said during an interview published on Welt am Sonntag on Saturday.
    Again, could, not will. You said "will", none of your articles have said "will".

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...d-donald-trump

    This article is more about the risk to NATO and how a possible Trump presidency means the alliance can't be relied on. Again, clicking links helps.

    And last up - https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-englis...-maybe-in-five

    Finally use of the word will! But in a really vague sense.

    Boy, so you're just reacting to a variety of headlines that largely don't say what you think they say, then. Rad I guess. That's not very good sauce, but at least you tried.

  2. #36882
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Oh man, so if you actually specifically search for the term you want you'll find articles? Let's review your list -

    https://news.yahoo.com/bild-russia-m...020819774.html



    Well that's a conditional based on a possible future significant event. Not exactly how you make it seem to be, and also a good reason why reading headlines and thinking you know everything about the articles contents is a bad idea.

    https://rusi.org/explore-our-researc...ale-us-support

    Which isn't so much of warning of "imminent invasion" as warning about how Russia has improved its wartime productions and Europe is sleeping on it and having strong production capabilities is an effective deterrent.

    https://www.dw.com/en/russian-army-t...ity/a-67456730



    Again, preparing for possible aggression is different than "they will attack" which is not what any of these articles have said.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/pol...d-of-decade-2/



    Again, could, not will. You said "will", none of your articles have said "will".

    https://www.economist.com/leaders/20...d-donald-trump

    This article is more about the risk to NATO and how a possible Trump presidency means the alliance can't be relied on. Again, clicking links helps.

    And last up - https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-englis...-maybe-in-five

    Finally use of the word will! But in a really vague sense.

    Boy, so you're just reacting to a variety of headlines that largely don't say what you think they say, then. Rad I guess. That's not very good sauce, but at least you tried.

    Ofc they wont attack now, or tomorrow Edge, they need to rebuild army.... The problem here is that they are telling us that:
    Russia is fighting with shovels
    Russia is out of missiles
    Russia is using microchips from washing machines
    Russia is getting kicked in the behinds in the Ukraine
    Russia is going to get bankrupted by sanctions (in the meantime we are deindustrializing ourselves)

    and from the other hand suddenly:
    Russia will attack Europe (meaning they have a capable army of doing so)
    Russia is setting up an anti satellite weapon (with microchips from washing machines and hair driers?)
    laughable stuff, as I said, some chief propaganda officer (cpo) needs to be fired

  3. #36883
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Ofc they wont attack now, or tomorrow Edge, they need to rebuild army.... The problem here is that they are telling us that:
    Russia is fighting with shovels
    Russia is out of missiles
    Russia is using microchips from washing machines
    Russia is getting kicked in the behinds in the Ukraine
    Russia is going to get bankrupted by sanctions (in the meantime we are deindustrializing ourselves)

    and from the other hand suddenly:
    Russia will attack Europe (meaning they have a capable army of doing so)
    Russia is setting up an anti satellite weapon (with microchips from washing machines and hair driers?)
    laughable stuff, as I said, some chief propaganda officer (cpo) needs to be fired
    Do you think news can't like...change?

    That Russia can be short of missiles, but only temporarily? Or do you think reporting on a missile shortage must be a permanent thing that never changes? That is Ukraine makes great gains one day they can't lose those gains a week later?

    Again, this entirely seems like you creating these narratives and counternarratives all within your own head.

  4. #36884
    I bet a lot of people that were saying Tucker is a russian agent half a decade ago being met with 'he's a patriot'... are feeling vindicated by this absolutely pitiful attempt to sell Russia as 'look at how good they have it and their culture is still great [not woke like Biden!]', just like in Putin's war start speech - in twisted parallel with Yeltsin visiting american supermarket some 30+ years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    I bet a lot of people that were saying Tucker is a russian agent half a decade ago being met with 'he's a patriot'... are feeling vindicated by this absolutely pitiful attempt to sell Russia as 'look at how good they have it and their culture is still great [not woke like Biden!]', just like in Putin's war start speech - in twisted parallel with Yeltsin visiting american supermarket some 30+ years ago.
    Its more simple: MONEY

    You can get anyone from media to make you good look if you give them enogh of it.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

  6. #36886
    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    Its more simple: MONEY

    You can get anyone from media to make you good look if you give them enogh of it.
    Sure, money. But he's a greedy fucker that wasn't satisfied with the millions from Fox. He just had to go the russians for more...

  7. #36887
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I guess I failed.
    You should just put that in your signature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorshen View Post
    I bet a lot of people that were saying Tucker is a russian agent half a decade ago being met with 'he's a patriot'... are feeling vindicated by this absolutely pitiful attempt to sell Russia as 'look at how good they have it and their culture is still great [not woke like Biden!]', just like in Putin's war start speech - in twisted parallel with Yeltsin visiting american supermarket some 30+ years ago.
    At the same time it also seems like it wasn't what Putin was... expecting? Like, they picked a spineless idiot like Carlson so that Putin could "outmaneuver" him and prove how much smarter and manlier he (Putin) was than this "honored American media personality Tucker Carlson."

    But Tucker, used to humoring right wing clods that can barely string a coherent thought together (like Trump) offered absolutely no resistance and simply let Putin spiel on about his bullet points, which were disjointed nonsense that no one outside of Russia even has any context for.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    400 000 reported by Ukraine...last year we had just hit 150 000 around this time I think?


    Navalny dies

    Not unexpected I suppose.
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  10. #36890
    Just to add on to that;

    Russian opposition leader Alexey Navalny dies in jail, prison service says
    CNN

    Jailed Russian opposition figure and outspoken Kremlin critic Alexey Navalny, who made global headlines when he was poisoned with a nerve agent in 2020, has died aged 47, the Russian prison service said.

    Navalny had long been a thorn in the side of President Vladimir Putin, exposing corruption in high places, campaigning against the ruling United Russia party, and orchestrating some of the biggest anti-government protests seen in recent years.

    He returned to Russia in 2021 and was swiftly arrested on charges he dismissed as politically motivated. He has been incarcerated ever since. His supporters claim his arrest was a politically motivated attempt to stifle his criticism of Putin.
    This is what happens in Russia when you oppose the great leader, Putin, the man Trump cheer-leads and boasts for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    Just to add on to that;



    This is what happens in Russia when you oppose the great leader, Putin, the man Trump cheer-leads and boasts for.
    Not surprised, going back to Russia was suicide move, sure he dies a martyr but for what the Russian populace ain’t ever gonna overthrow their current masters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    NASA is a separate budget from the DoD. This was done precisely to prevent the primary thrust of space-related development to be one of science, rather than one of war. This is also, unsurprisingly, why Republicans constantly cut its budget.

    What we are doing now is entirely a result of a concerted effort NOT to weaponize space, and to some extent, a long-standing anti-intellectual movement.

    "Star Wars" by George Lucas launched in 1977, "Star Wars" the military program, the "Space Defense Initiative" or "SDI" wasn't proposed until 1984, some 20 years AFTER the 1967 "Outer Space Treaty". The SDI largely didn't go anywhere because the technology simply wasn't there (as 3rd-party reports stated) and thus its budget was cut and it eventually folded. The idea further didn't go anywhere as the collapse of the USSR was already showing signs and of course, by 1991, it did.

    So, quite frankly, no the money wasn't spent and there was no long-term military push to develop space-based weapons. It simply wasn't necessary.

    I agree that we have regressed, and thats due to, as I mentioned: a strong anti-intellectual movement among conservatives against NASA, and secondly a general loss of interest in space by the American population. My point was that we most likely wouldn't have regressed had space development been pushed by the military, and NASA been part of the DoD.
    "The money didn't get spent because it came out of a different budget" is an interesting take, as is going by the date the official program started, as if it hadn't been pushed for and in development for a decade beforehand. But okay, I'm sure Reagan just came up with the whole thing on a whim and I'll take the gotcha. Your pedantry wins on the internet, well done.

    I'm sure the recessions of the 80s and Reaganomics to take from the state and give to the rich had nothing to do with reducing NASAs budget either. But either way, it was getting very expensive and it's no mystery as to why nobody else has been in the space race without considerable international cooperation for the past two decades until recently.
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  13. #36893
    Navalny was braver than I'll ever be. Perhaps his example will inspire others.

  14. #36894
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Navalny was braver than I'll ever be. Perhaps his example will inspire others.
    pointlessly dying in a Siberian prison camp? what inspiration is that?

    Not saying he wasn't brave for going back but what did it actually accomplish?
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  15. #36895
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Navalny was braver than I'll ever be. Perhaps his example will inspire others.
    Inspire others to take a pointless death? Because I don't see the russsian people rise up to the Putler regime because of something like this, it's not in their blood.

  16. #36896
    Of course, you're right. Nobody should ever take a stand and challenge the bad guys. Just keep quiet and maybe one day it'll all work itself out somehow.

  17. #36897
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    Of course, you're right. Nobody should ever take a stand and challenge the bad guys.
    I don't see how essentially handing yourself over to the bad guys is challenging anyone. If he was living free abroad he would've been free to speak out against the russian government, something he coulddn't do while in their custody.

  18. #36898
    Putin wanted him out of the country. Navalny returned knowing what would happen to him. He knew that sometimes it takes selfless action to inspire change. A cynic might say he died a pointless death, but he himself would not have thought so:

    "Zhenya, everything is O.K. History is happening. Russia is going through it, and we are coming along. We’ll make it (probably). I am all right, and I have no regrets. And you shouldn’t, either, and shouldn’t worry. Everything will be all right. And, even if it isn’t, we’ll have the consolation of having lived honest lives." ~ Alexey Navalny, in a letter to his friend sent shortly after his imprisonment.

  19. #36899
    The only surprise is how long they waited before finishing murdering him.

  20. #36900
    I guess the distraction of Navalny's murder is what putin needed so people forget the horrible monolog he did with Tucker.

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