Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

I don't understand why retards keep thinking that you can overthrown a dictator with voting.

Putin won't be gone until someone kills him.

[Ulmita]

Even THIS Russian government wouldn't survive a withdrawal politically. Ironically ...Putin would have a better chance to holding onto power if Russia is defeated militarily and is forced to withdraw. He could try on some "We gave it our best, but NATO was too much" or alternatively some "Stabbed in the back" narrative.

Definitely, I agree with you. There is no turning back now. I mean, the biggest criticism Putin has right now is that he is too soft so withdrawing troops after so many looses, is a death sentence.

[Gabriel]

Definitely, I agree with you. There is no turning back now. I mean, the biggest criticism Putin has right now is that he is too soft so withdrawing troops after so many looses, is a death sentence.

Excellent.

[Iphie]

I just don't see the Russians withdrawing. They are too deep in the sunk cost fallacy at this point to try that.

Something like a hundred thousand or so Russian civilians have already moved into (colonized) the occupied regions, especially in places like Mariupol.

Even THIS Russian government wouldn't survive a withdrawal politically. Ironically ...Putin would have a better chance to holding onto power if Russia is defeated militarily and is forced to withdraw. He could try on some "We gave it our best, but NATO was too much" or alternatively some "Stabbed in the back" narrative.

They have the option of staying and obeying the law or leaving, their choice. If they want to leave they can get a ticket to the border.

[Elder Millennial]

They have the option of staying and obeying the law or leaving, their choice. If they want to leave they can get a ticket to the border.

Those apartment blocks were built on previously owned land. Or they straight up moved into "abandoned" homes. If the Ukrainians retake those places I'm pretty sure the previous owners would want their stuff back. They pretty would have to go.

[Iphie]

Those apartment blocks were built on previously owned land. Or they straight up moved into "abandoned" homes. If the Ukrainians retake those places I'm pretty sure the previous owners would want their stuff back. They pretty would have to go.

The don't HAVE to go they can stay in other accommodations. Obviously the original population has priority.

[Saradain]

...Why have illegal occupiers in their thousands just stay in the land they raped?

Expelling the invaders is the only way. They are a threat to national security without a shadow of a doubt.

[Iphie]

...Why have illegal occupiers in their thousands just stay in the land they raped?

Expelling the invaders is the only way. They are a threat to national security without a shadow of a doubt.

Because forcibly removing harkens back to certain dark periods of history. (I'd rather they all removed themselves from the country as well but if they won't leave there's not much you can do short of ethnic cleansing...Which would be a bit of an irony)

[Saradain]

Because forcibly removing harkens back to certain dark periods of history. (I'd rather they all removed themselves from the country as well but if they won't leave there's not much you can do short of ethnic cleansing...Which would be a bit of an irony)

If I come to your home while you are gone, displaced, whatever, is removing me a bad thing once you rightfully can return home to find out its been stolen from you?

It baffles me you can even consider that thousands of russians happy to steal your possessions, homes, land, everything should be allowed to fucking stay. Are we that guilty of the past that safely re-locating russians back to Russia is now scary and hurtful thing??

Illegal invaders and occupiers did not settle the land for fuckin' thousand years to somehow earn the right to stay where they first happily laughed at your fate while snoozing on your proverbial couch. Fuck em. You really want russians to have the last laugh? Hey, they stole your everything, and once the land is liberated, they can still stay, become "ukrainians" and actually get the best gift in the world, to not be under russian rule?

[Kaleredar]

Because forcibly removing harkens back to certain dark periods of history. (I'd rather they all removed themselves from the country as well but if they won't leave there's not much you can do short of ethnic cleansing...Which would be a bit of an irony)

They chose to move from wherever they were to live on land or in accommodations they knew were forcibly taken from the rightful owners during a bald-faced land grab. And said land grab didn’t happen hundreds of years ago before they were born. Hell, not even decades ago where the ashes have even settled. They’re exploiting an active conflict.


My sympathy for them is little. They can be told peaceably to leave. And if they don’t? Then the gloves come off with a pointed reminder that they weren’t being asked, why not?

[Flarelaine]

Those apartment blocks were built on previously owned land. Or they straight up moved into "abandoned" homes. If the Ukrainians retake those places I'm pretty sure the previous owners would want their stuff back. They pretty would have to go.

Mariupol was flattened. The Russians built some new housing blocks pretty fast. I wouldn't bet them being built to last.

[YUPPIE]

While Navalny's death is horrific, the world remains complacent as predicted for years. Apart from the usual "condemnation" bullshit.

[zorkuus]

While Navalny's death is horrific, the world remains complacent as predicted for years. Apart from the usual "condemnation" bullshit.

Should someone get their nukes out?

[Easo]

I do not buy into "he was murdered" theory for couple of reasons - a political corpse/failure and zero threat at this point. Now Putin has to deal with the headache of the West screaming about him, letting him rot in prison was simpler and easier option.
Second - shitload of people suddenly die at younger ages, much less someone in prison, stuff like heart attacks are a common cause.Solitary confinement does not help with that at all, so...
Could he have been murdered? Yes, the possibility is there. But what would be the point and reason? I do not buy into petty revenge theories.

Should have stayed in Germany and lived instead, could also play the oppositon from there. Martyrdoms are rarely successful, he will be forgotten in couple months.
Also Gonzalo Lira, but who cares.


Also Ukraine is now officially retreating from Avdiivka.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php/?...11618904466931

[Corvus]

Only took russia months of constant meat waves, over 400 verified armoured vehicles destroyed and tens of thousands of casualties. To gain a fairly insignificant town which had been destroyed beyond use.

[YUPPIE]

Should someone get their nukes out?

They could tighten sanctions for what that's worth, but even that seems pretty flimsy by this point. I mean, after years of hearing "sanctions, sanctions, sanctions" it's done jack all to making you wondering if they were even implemented. Russia is still waging the war with no signs of slowing down.

[Elder Millennial]

I do not buy into "he was murdered" theory for couple of reasons - a political corpse/failure and zero threat at this point. Now Putin has to deal with the headache of the West screaming about him, letting him rot in prison was simpler and easier option.
Second - shitload of people suddenly die at younger ages, much less someone in prison, stuff like heart attacks are a common cause.Solitary confinement does not help with that at all, so...
Could he have been murdered? Yes, the possibility is there. But what would be the point and reason? I do not buy into petty revenge theories.

Should have stayed in Germany and lived instead, could also play the oppositon from there. Martyrdoms are rarely successful, he will be forgotten in couple months.
Also Gonzalo Lira, but who cares.


Also Ukraine is now officially retreating from Avdiivka.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php/?...11618904466931

Fuck my life you are a morally bankrupt piece of ....something.

Whether they killed him or he died in prison due to ill treatment is utterly irrelevant.

His health has been shit for a while (getting nerve agent poisoning is not conductive for good health), and instead of putting him in house arrest or just a better prison they kept shuttling him from one hellhole to another. They, in a way tortured him to death the old Soviet Gulag style.

It's literally irrelevant whether they put a bullet in his head or if he died of a heart attack at this junction.

And regarding him not staying in Germany. I understand that you cannot possibly fathom someone having principles, but people do have those things, and sometimes their principles and convictions are so strong they are willing to die for them.

I cannot possibly express just how much I despise you as a human being without getting myself banned. I just want you to know I stepped in dog shit that I felt less disgusted by than how much you disgust me.

[unfilteredJW]

I do not buy into "he was murdered" theory for couple of reasons - a political corpse/failure and zero threat at this point. Now Putin has to deal with the headache of the West screaming about him, letting him rot in prison was simpler and easier option.
Second - shitload of people suddenly die at younger ages, much less someone in prison, stuff like heart attacks are a common cause.Solitary confinement does not help with that at all, so...
Could he have been murdered? Yes, the possibility is there. But what would be the point and reason? I do not buy into petty revenge theories.

Should have stayed in Germany and lived instead, could also play the oppositon from there. Martyrdoms are rarely successful, he will be forgotten in couple months.
Also Gonzalo Lira, but who cares.


Also Ukraine is now officially retreating from Avdiivka.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php/?...11618904466931

Man, is there ANY chance to show us how you can be wrong about any topic presented that you won't jump on?

[alach]

I understand its getting harder and harder to still be optimistic these days, but bear with me on this one. Awhile back I posted an article by Forbes on how Ukraine needs to send 100k Russian soldiers to the morgue a year in order to off set new recruits and seriously hamper Russia's ability to wage war. Well it looks like they are doing just that. Now another Forbes article, has this;

How To Outfight Russia: Destroy At Least 4,500 Armored Vehicles A Year For Two Years—And Do It Without America’s Help

That’s one finding of a new study from the Royal United Services Institute in London.

4,500 vehicles a year isn’t quite enough vehicles to make good the 10,000 or so tanks, fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers that, according to the analysts at Oryx, Russia has lost in the first two years of its wider war on Ukraine.

But it’s close. And it’s for that reason the Kremlin “believes that it can sustain the current rate of attrition through 2025,” RUSI analysts Jack Watling and Nick Reynolds wrote.

The catch is that, according to Watling and Reynolds, 80 percent of those 4,500 vehicles the Russians generate every year aren’t new vehicles. They’re “refurbished and modernized from Russian war stocks.”

And those stocks, once bursting with leftover Cold War-vintage vehicles, are finite. “The number of systems held in storage means that while Russia can maintain a consistent output through 2024, it will begin to find that vehicles require deeper refurbishment through 2025,” the RUSI analysts wrote.

“By 2026 it will have exhausted most of the available stocks,” they continued.
RUSI’s conclusions are consistent with the conclusions of a recent report from the Estonian defense ministry. In Russia, “production of new equipment is largely giving way to refurbishing equipment from the long-term storage,” the ministry found.

Old war stocks could hold up “for several more years,” the Estonians concluded. Open-source analysts, who scour satellite imagery to count active, destroyed and stored armored vehicles, posit trends that point to Russia’s vehicle reserves running out in 2025 or 2026.

And its looking more and more possible this can happen, as a new military leader takes over and Ukraine dives deep into drone production and warfare, all I can say is, despite those naysayers - This ain't over yet.

[Ihavewaffles]

Only took russia months of constant meat waves, over 400 verified armoured vehicles destroyed and tens of thousands of casualties. To gain a fairly insignificant town which had been destroyed beyond use.

Ah, the predictable coping with ww2 tropes, also did they use shovels?...