1. #37081
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Russia is a-okay to genocide Ukraine, and that's fine for some nations because of the tinfoil hat level shit they believe, but helping Ukraine to not be wiped out entirely is worse. Yeah, you're right, that's the shit part of the world. Some entities have more leverage than others.
    Yes, I am not saying it is ok or not. I am saying that is the reality we live in and how it works.

  2. #37082
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Yes, I am not saying it is ok or not. I am saying that is the reality we live in and how it works.
    Yep. At least thanks to Russia and their incompetence (and the media-spread looming russian aggression towards other nations in the long run), at least real money can be made out of this...Rheinmetall stocks going their merry way up ever since early 2022...

    Which may or may not be an indicator how some...theories...about war being extended as much as possible linger around. Sometimes I wish the civilized world would/could just take over by force instead of trying to educate idiots that russian-like behaviour is not okay. Some people just don't learn. But eh, pipedreams remain pipedreams.

  3. #37083
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    If NATO was to attack "unprovoked" (because that's what it would be), that would validate one of the arguments that was used to start this shitshow. Like NATO is an aggressive alliance, yada, yada. And that would also escalate the conflict even further (something that no one wants, maybe apart from the Ukrainians given the mess they are in).
    I repeat, and we should care about validating Russia's rhetoric because?
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  4. #37084
    Quote Originally Posted by Saradain View Post
    Yep. At least thanks to Russia and their incompetence (and the media-spread looming russian aggression towards other nations in the long run), at least real money can be made out of this...Rheinmetall stocks going their merry way up ever since early 2022...

    Which may or may not be an indicator how some...theories...about war being extended as much as possible linger around. Sometimes I wish the civilized world would/could just take over by force instead of trying to educate idiots that russian-like behaviour is not okay. Some people just don't learn. But eh, pipedreams remain pipedreams.
    And that would be colonialism or imperialism. Then why stop at Russia ? You see how that would be spinned by everyone not aligned with the West.

  5. #37085
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And that would be colonialism or imperialism. Then why stop at Russia ? You see how that would be spinned by everyone not aligned with the West.
    Yeah, humanity is doomed all the same for me. Can't piss off a random no-name nation, better let tens of millions suffer and be purged or else WE'RE the bad guys. And nuclear armaments making it all worse

    Russia has n00ks, they can do anything or we're the ones escalating. Lesson learned, always start wars first if you got n00ks.

  6. #37086
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    It probably wouldn’t last long, but even without nukes Russia could still hit stuff in the US and Western Europe with their navy and long range bombers. Never mind that they have FSB crawling all over the place to do some terrorism. Suffice to say the damage they could do would be politically unpopular as futile as it might be.
    The only reason that Russia as a state still exists.

  7. #37087
    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    The longer this goes on the more I think NATO actually should put an end to this with direct intervention.

    All this talk of "ruSSia can't win" and then feeding Ukraine just enough to hold up this shitshow a bit longer is becoming increasingly irritating. This is only prolonging the time until NATO has to intervene, because if NATO actually means "ruSSia can't win" we should make sure that'll be the outcome. Ukrainians are fighting and dying for two years now so I can sit at home and play WoW and I'm really sad for them.
    A lot of people probably sympathise with that, myself included. But it's unlikely to happen, as some cynical but coldly pragmatic realpolitik is at play: Why risk our own necks when we can funnel our scraps to Ukraine and let them degrade the Russian military on our behalf? Privately Zelensky will be begging for our intervention, and he'll have been met with polite smiles and apologetic assurances that we're doing everything we can, and he'll know we refuse because we'd rather his people die than ours.

  8. #37088
    I don't think NATO can intervene as an entity, the whole point of a defensive alliance is that it can only act if a member is attacked. I don't think individual nato members declaring war on Russia would drag everyone else into the war either. its pretty interesting to me that aiding one side doesn't automatically mean you've also declared war, seeing as you've openly picked a side you want to win.

    there is some merit to Nato expanding though its just doing it through diplomacy without firing a shot, countries feel safer joining NATO it grows stronger. I don't buy the idea that its gearing up to invade Russia though that is obviously being used as an excuse for this invasion. But it is proving its existence is warranted.

    obviously, the biggest risk is that this does just end up as a 3rd world war. Because if nato did join in it's pretty likely china would think about making a move on Taiwan and also probably putting more effort into aiding Russia. it's pretty close to the point where one side of the world is ready to start fighting the other side.

    North Korea has a pretty big standing army for its size, It's been like that for ages, i'm sure they are itching to whelp themselves into something. Japan is eyeing up the islands Russia stole from them. There is ample tension in the air no one wants to do anything rash but once it starts then so does the opportunism.
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  9. #37089
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAmbient View Post
    A lot of people probably sympathise with that, myself included. But it's unlikely to happen, as some cynical but coldly pragmatic realpolitik is at play: Why risk our own necks when we can funnel our scraps to Ukraine and let them degrade the Russian military on our behalf? Privately Zelensky will be begging for our intervention, and he'll have been met with polite smiles and apologetic assurances that we're doing everything we can, and he'll know we refuse because we'd rather his people die than ours.
    It's not even that - go sell this idea at home to the voters. UK has elections soon? Plenty of more pressing issues at home.

    Heck, I'd bet it's not even easy to justify further resources expenditure on this to the masses, which is in part why this aid is trickling. It's simply pretty damn hard to sell at home those hundreds of millions, if not multiple billions or more spent on Ukraine instead of on, let's say, expanding train network in the country and/or some other pressing infrastructure projects.

    Russia is banking on the war of attrition, but in reality, so is the West. Clock is ticking for everyone here - Putin is not eternal and who knows, this problem might just resolve itself in a few years, without having to make unpopular decisions at home, such as dumping too much of those needed $$ on Ukraine or starting an actual war.

    There already was Prigozhin bit, who knows what there will be next year. Of course, this all means that Ukrainians keep eating shit, but despite all this chest thumping people do trying to appear better than they are and score them Twitter points - many simply think "whelp, better them than us".

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    It always baffles me how conservative chuds like to claim that NATO is a force of violence and division in the world when its existence has created one of the most peaceful times in our world's history. I don't get how anyone can see Russia being the aggressor of countless conflicts and go "Yeah those guys that Russia is attacking are the instigators in this for taking countermeasures to prevent Russia from invading them!"
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  11. #37091
    I think it would make a difference if the media was more clear about the aid bring delivered. People hear these huge numbers and are like "that money could've fix my potholes and saved the country' when in reality its like 5% of the American military budget. The aid packages sound large when they have no metric to compare it to. If they reported aid in gdp %s I doubt many people would object.
    Og and not to mention most of what's been given to ukraine has been old and out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    I think it would make a difference if the media was more clear about the aid bring delivered. People hear these huge numbers and are like "that money could've fix my potholes and saved the country' when in reality its like 5% of the American military budget. The aid packages sound large when they have no metric to compare it to. If they reported aid in gdp %s I doubt many people would object.
    Og and not to mention most of what's been given to ukraine has been old and out of date.
    to add to this: very little actually goes as money most goes as material. Meaning there's no "pallets of cash" going. (another talking point)

  13. #37093
    Quote Originally Posted by Heathy View Post
    I don't think NATO can intervene as an entity, the whole point of a defensive alliance is that it can only act if a member is attacked. I don't think individual nato members declaring war on Russia would drag everyone else into the war either. its pretty interesting to me that aiding one side doesn't automatically mean you've also declared war, seeing as you've openly picked a side you want to win.

    there is some merit to Nato expanding though its just doing it through diplomacy without firing a shot, countries feel safer joining NATO it grows stronger. I don't buy the idea that its gearing up to invade Russia though that is obviously being used as an excuse for this invasion. But it is proving its existence is warranted.

    obviously, the biggest risk is that this does just end up as a 3rd world war. Because if nato did join in it's pretty likely china would think about making a move on Taiwan and also probably putting more effort into aiding Russia. it's pretty close to the point where one side of the world is ready to start fighting the other side.

    North Korea has a pretty big standing army for its size, It's been like that for ages, i'm sure they are itching to whelp themselves into something. Japan is eyeing up the islands Russia stole from them. There is ample tension in the air no one wants to do anything rash but once it starts then so does the opportunism.
    Of course NATO can act and has acted before under UN mandate. The problem now is that UN has been essentially taken over by rogue actor like Russia due to veto rights so NATO should evolve beyond expecting UN mandate and act indepentently.
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  14. #37094
    Ukraine will join NATO at some point:
    https://youtu.be/QxLRtlHJwv8?si=IhQlp3sYVtho4kPn

    Putin has said that will lead to catastrophe
    https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/s...909581566?s=19

    Retards in NATO, Brussels and Washington are pushing for a mass extinction event. I was never pro Trump but after this I am starting to hope that he will win the elections.

  15. #37095
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Ukraine will join NATO at some point:
    https://youtu.be/QxLRtlHJwv8?si=IhQlp3sYVtho4kPn

    Putin has said that will lead to catastrophe
    https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/s...909581566?s=19
    Of course he does, if they join NATO he can't conquer them anymore.

    Retards in NATO, Brussels and Washington are pushing for a mass extinction event. I was never pro Trump but after this I am starting to hope that he will win the elections.
    What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having seen it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

  16. #37096
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Ukraine will join NATO at some point:
    https://youtu.be/QxLRtlHJwv8?si=IhQlp3sYVtho4kPn

    Putin has said that will lead to catastrophe
    https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/s...909581566?s=19

    Retards in NATO, Brussels and Washington are pushing for a mass extinction event. I was never pro Trump but after this I am starting to hope that he will win the elections.
    Mass extinction event. Lol, please. No matter what kind of idiotic Russian propaganda you are huffing, nobody is going to nuke anybody. There are far too many people who value living, even in Russia, to ever allow that to happen. Putie will end up falling out a window onto a dozen bullets if he ever tries to actually issue that order.

  17. #37097
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Ukraine will join NATO at some point:
    https://youtu.be/QxLRtlHJwv8?si=IhQlp3sYVtho4kPn

    Putin has said that will lead to catastrophe
    https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/s...909581566?s=19

    Retards in NATO, Brussels and Washington are pushing for a mass extinction event. I was never pro Trump but after this I am starting to hope that he will win the elections.
    Russia won't nuke. If they do even their allies will come down on them, along with the world, and Russia will be broken into pieces. All a nuke does is cause a pyrrhic victory for Russia, it does not win them anything.

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  18. #37098
    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Ukraine will join NATO at some point:
    https://youtu.be/QxLRtlHJwv8?si=IhQlp3sYVtho4kPn

    Putin has said that will lead to catastrophe
    https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/s...909581566?s=19

    Retards in NATO, Brussels and Washington are pushing for a mass extinction event. I was never pro Trump but after this I am starting to hope that he will win the elections.
    There already was mass extinction event. Mass brain extinction event. In Russia.
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  19. #37099
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Of course NATO can act and has acted before under UN mandate. The problem now is that UN has been essentially taken over by rogue actor like Russia due to veto rights so NATO should evolve beyond expecting UN mandate and act indepentently.
    And USA as well in regards to the Gaza situation or China when it suits them, etc...

  20. #37100
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    And USA as well in regards to the Gaza situation or China when it suits them, etc...
    You can tell they have nothing to add when they deflect to anything that's not about Russia. I hope you at least get paid well to do this.

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