Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Gabriel]

Interesting...



Ok, so, let's assume this is real for a moment, who ordered Navalny's death then? I can see various scenarios and some make putin look mighty weak. I mean yeah ,they say puitn had him killed but that may not be true, even if he's the most likely culprit. (various outlets are wondering about the timing and how it's not really to putin's benefit)

Don't think too hard about it. If Navalny was freed, he would continue being a character in opposition of Putin, that people could rally around. By removing such a figure, Putin thinks he makes it harder for the people to organize and rise against him.

[Azadina]

Ukraine will join NATO at some point:
https://youtu.be/QxLRtlHJwv8?si=IhQlp3sYVtho4kPn

Putin has said that will lead to catastrophe
https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/s...909581566?s=19

Retards in NATO, Brussels and Washington are pushing for a mass extinction event. I was never pro Trump but after this I am starting to hope that he will win the elections.

RuZZia hasn't offered unconditional surrender to NATO at any point. So, why isn't it RuZZia that is forcing NATOs hand in glassing it? Do explain.

[Jessicka]

RuZZia hasn't offered unconditional surrender to NATO at any point. So, why isn't it RuZZia that is forcing NATOs hand in glassing it? Do explain.

NATO: *Exists because Russians keep threatening to glass Europe.*

Russia: "If you keep existing, we'll glass Europe!"

Ulmita: "Damn, it'll be all NATOs fault if Europe gets glassed."

[Azadina]

NATO: *Exists because Russians keep threatening to glass Europe.*

Russia: "If you keep existing, we'll glass Europe! ...And if you don't, we'll rape, murder and pillage the continent, and oppress anyone surviving under our rule"

Ulmita: "Damn, it'll be all NATOs fault if Europe gets glassed."

It required the other part of RuZZki motivation, for Ulmita to make his very reasonable and sane conclusion

[Specialka]

This is a bit it a strawman argument, because “whataboutism” has never been about saying somethings ok, its about saying “something else is just as bad/worse” which is exactly what you’re saying.

What I am saying is : "This is how the world works, period". Shame you do not get it.

[Iphie]

Hungary approves, welcome Sweden

[Odinfrost]

Hungary approves, welcome Sweden

Welcome to the party, you fiendish demons from across the straight!
Enjoy the cookies.

[George]

This definitely crossed a line.

[Iphie]

This definitely crossed a line.

A russian line? You know what they can do with those?

[Gorsameth]

This definitely crossed a line.

thats what happens when you draw red lines constantly, people stop giving a shit about them.
The West has crossed dozens of so called red lines from Russia during this conflict.

And nothing happened.

[George]

A russian line? You know what they can do with those?

Officially, being really upset about being crossed then never mentioning them again...

[Veggie50]

I really hope “a Russian red line” becomes a commonly used term meaning an easily ignored ultimatum.

[Makabreska]

I really hope “a Russian red line” becomes a commonly used term meaning an easily ignored ultimatum.

It kinda already became. "Nooooo don't join NATO else consequencesssss!!!!" The only real threat Pootie has left are nukes.

[Gaidax]

It kinda already became. "Nooooo don't join NATO else consequencesssss!!!!" The only real threat Pootie has left are nukes.

You are underestimating Russia and this is a mistake.

The way Russia operates with the ex-Soviet states is not unlike Iran. They have proxies spread in the whole region with all these self-proclaimed "People's Republics", such as Transnistria in Moldova and South Ossetia in Georgia respectively - both are enough of a headache for the respective states to be wary of joining NATO fulltime.

In the end the real threat Russia poses for ex-Soviet republics is not "nooks", but simply Russia doing what they did in Ukraine in 2014. And with how Russia acted in Ukraine - it's even more dangerous, because nobody in the surrounding countries wants to risk another supposedly unlikely Russian freakout.

The "nooks" are more of a boogeyman here to impress some US twitter mobs. The actual threat the post-Soviet republics are dealing with is much more real and close to them.

[Elegiac]

You are underestimating Russia and this is a mistake.

The way Russia operates with the ex-Soviet states is not unlike Iran.

Way to broadcast you know fuck all about Middle Eastern politics if you think Iran is secretly behind everything Muslim adjacent.

Your opinion also discounts the fact that Ukraine would only be a cautionary tale if Russia weren't bleeding itself to death in the process.

[Gaidax]

Way to broadcast you know fuck all about Middle Eastern politics if you think Iran is secretly behind everything Muslim adjacent.

Your opinion also discounts the fact that Ukraine would only be a cautionary tale if Russia weren't bleeding itself to death in the process.

First of all, you project whatever is in your head and put words in my mouth. No, I did not write "Iran is secretly behind everything Muslim adjacent" and neither I think so. However it is behind plenty of what is going on round these parts and their influence in part is thanks to the proxies they established across the region. Take note - plenty != everything, merely a lot. And Saudi Arabia counterbalances it quite a bit with their own alliances. And yes, much of what is going on is a plain Sunni vs Shia centuries old cold(ish) war, that's also part of all this messy equation.

Secondly, unlike you, I actually live in the Middle East. Get off your high horse pretending whatever shit you pulled off Twitter and YouTube matches experience of me living here for 3 decades right in the middle of it all.

Now, are you going to start offtopic here for 5 pages or you lay off me with this?

[Elegiac]

First of all, you project whatever is in your head and put words in my mouth. No, I did not write "Iran is secretly behind everything Muslim adjacent" and neither I think so. However it is behind plenty of what is going on round these parts and their influence in part is thanks to the proxies they established across the region. Take note - plenty != everything, merely a lot. And Saudi Arabia counterbalances it quite a bit with their own alliances. And yes, much of what is going on is a plain Sunni vs Shia centuries old cold(ish) war, that's also part of all this messy equation.

Secondly, unlike you, I actually live in the Middle East. Get off your high horse pretending whatever shit you pulled off Twitter and YouTube matches experience of me living here for 3 decades right in the middle of it all.

Now, are you going to start offtopic here for 5 pages or you lay off me with this?

You're not living "in the middle of it all", you're living in a colony and your viewpoint is entirely shaped by that subjectivity: which is my point, and why we get subjected to shitsquillion versions of the same argument which only ever considers things from a colonial perspective.

So of course we get bad takes like insisting Ukraine is a cautionary tale for NATO membership when Ukraine wasn't invaded because of NATO in the first place. Saying it was is just an implicit validation of the colonial narrative that Russia - and you - are pushing.

[Gaidax]

You're not living "in the middle of it all", you're living in a colony and your viewpoint is entirely shaped by that subjectivity: which is my point, and why we get subjected to shitsquillion versions of the same argument which only ever considers things from a colonial perspective.

So of course we get bad takes like insisting Ukraine is a cautionary tale for NATO membership when Ukraine wasn't invaded because of NATO in the first place. Saying it was is just an implicit validation of the colonial narrative that Russia - and you - are pushing.

Cool story, bro. Please take your loaded Twitter opinions about my country outside this thread. You have a whole shitthread about it to hallucinate in with your buddies all you like.

My "bad takes" are a simple reality on the ground. Yes, Moldova and Georgia are not rushing to join NATO, precisely because Russia can do their own version of "People's Republic" right at their doorstep at moment's notice.

Heck, in case of Georgia - they already had this episode. So yes, the "nooks" are not the real problem here - Russia potentially pulling out another Ukraine in ex-Soviet republics actually is.

You can keep getting triggered over that fact all you like, it does not change it.

[Corvus]

Macron has said western countries sending troops to Ukraine has not been ruled out.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rce=reddit.com

Interesting that the statement came from him and not some of the eastern European countries like Poland that would be the ones more likely to do so.

[Belize]

This definitely crossed a line.

Lol, ok buddy.