Russian invasion of Ukraine

[DarkTZeratul]

ISIS officially claiming credit for this one.

Well, I suppose that at least blunts Russia's attempt to weaponize it against the US and NATO, or against Ukraine.

[Corvus]

It sure is convenient that this happened days after the election and can be used for the mass mobilisation that pootie wants. Almost like a direct repeat of the Chechen war when pootie had an apartment block blown up to justify the war.

About the only certainty in this is that it wasn't the Ukrainians. They would have nothing to gain and everything to lose from it and they know it. But Drunkvedev has already blamed the Ukrainians for it saying the regime will have to be 'liquidated.'

[Good Hasbara]

Damn....just hate to see pro-Palestine countries be victims of islamofascist terrorism. On an unrelated note, I heard there's been a marked increased in face-biting leopards in Russia. When it rains, it pours.

[noidentity]

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukra...711118430.html

Ukraine did not receive calls from the United States to cease attacks on Russian oil refineries, according to the advisor to the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, Mykhailo Podolyak. Earlier, the media reported on Washington's alleged request to Kyiv.

He denied the reports that the United States supposedly demanded from the Ukrainian side to refrain from striking Russian oil infrastructure, calling them "fake information."

"No one will dictate terms of conducting this war to Ukraine after two years of full-scale war," Podolyak said.

He adds that Ukraine "can de-oil the tools of waging war" of the aggressor under international law.

"Fuel is a primary tool of waging war. Ukraine will destroy fuel infrastructure," he concluded.

Background

Earlier today, the Financial Times reported that the United States urged Ukraine to stop attacks on Russian energy infrastructure, warning that drone strikes could lead to an increase in global oil prices and gasoline in the United States, harming the re-election of President Joe Biden.

Repeated warnings from Washington were supposedly addressed to senior officials of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Defense Intelligence, according to FT sources.

In turn, Deputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration of Ukraine Olha Stefanishyna stated at the Kyiv Security Forum that oil refineries in Russia were legitimate targets for Ukraine from a military perspective. By striking these targets, the Defense Forces act according to NATO's best practices, the official added.

It looks like the story about the US demanding Ukraine stop attacking oil refineries was possibly "fake information".

[Corvus]

Another refinery has been hit, so even if they had been asked, Ukraine isn't going to give up on the attacks.

[Gabriel]

I think it’s more likely the war in Ukraine bleeding resources leading to lapses in Russian security rather than a false flag. The US actually issued a warning of exactly this kind of thing a few days ago, and Russia has no shortage of its own terrorist and separatist groups.

These kinds of attacks are always horrible, I know people who were caught up in the MEN bombing so I’d appreciate if you didn’t make light of them. And I’m pretty sure conspiracy theories are banned here.

It is not really conspiracy theory when it involves Russia ducking over their own citizens, but you are right, we shouldn't gloat over, or joke about, attacks that target civilians.

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Another refinery has been hit, so even if they had been asked, Ukraine isn't going to give up on the attacks.

Good. As it should be.

[Iphie]

It is not really conspiracy theory when it involves Russia ducking over their own citizens, but you are right, we shouldn't gloat over, or joke about, attacks that target civilians.

It's a conspiracy theory in so far that it is not 100% certain it was a russian false flag, we are so eager to blame russia that we seem to discount the possibility that it was actually as it said on the tin: a "bonafide" terrorist attack by Islamic terrorists. I will say that if it was a false flag by russia then those people didn't deserve to be sacrificed for pootie's ambition. (Not even if they were z-patriots, killing civilians for your plans is never good and terrorist attack is obvious why they wouldn't deserve to die)

[Cynical Asshole]

Well apparently Putin didn't set up his own 9/11, it was really ISIS.

It's one of those 1% of situations when an assumption about some shady crap going on in Russia, is actually wrong.

[Corvus]

Russia is saying they have arrested 11 people already, including 4 involved in the attack. Once again russian authorities are suspiciously fast at arresting people but not at stopping the attacks.

Isis also has a track record of claiming credit for attacks they aren't involved in.

[Iphie]

Russia is saying they have arrested 11 people already, including 4 involved in the attack. Once again russian authorities are suspiciously fast at arresting people but not at stopping the attacks.

Isis also has a track record of claiming credit for attacks they aren't involved in.

Right, but they actually might have had help from the US here, the russian media is acknowledging that their intelligence services received information from the American security services. (while complaining it was only general info, not specific.) It's a bit fishy but, given the available information, not beyond the realm of the likely.

In any case, the US says it was ISIS as well so who knows at this point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/w...cert-hall.html

[Cynical Asshole]

Russia is saying they have arrested 11 people already, including 4 involved in the attack. Once again russian authorities are suspiciously fast at arresting people but not at stopping the attacks.

Isis also has a track record of claiming credit for attacks they aren't involved in.

The ID pictures they released to the press, show some men with that tiny Muslim hat on their heads.

[Corvus]

Russian security forces are saying the arrested attackers were trying to head for Ukraine and that they had contacts there. So looks like they will blame Ukraine, as expected.

[Iphie]

Russian security forces are saying the arrested attackers were trying to head for Ukraine and that they had contacts there. So looks like they will blame Ukraine, as expected.

Realistically though, which way would they flee? Belarus, Finland? the Baltics? the central Asian republics? the Caucasus? those all have their own issues, like distance or closed borders, or being in russia's pocket. Ukraine would be the closest area where the border situation is chaotic enough that they could flee there easily.

[Yunru]

The ID pictures they released to the press, show some men with that tiny Muslim hat on their heads.

Yeah probaly a photoshop.

[Cynical Asshole]

Yeah probaly a photoshop.

Why? If anything Putin would have loved it if they were Ukrainians, so he could then use it to rile up the Russians for a general mobilization and support for his war. Putin has nothing to win from pointing fingers at ISIS.

[Yunru]

Why? If anything Putin would have loved it if they were Ukrainians, so he could then use it to rile up the Russians for a general mobilization and support for his war. Putin has nothing to win from pointing fingers at ISIS.

He can spin the narrative that ukraine is supporting Isis or some other non-sense and people will belive it.
Saying Ukrainians attacked them directly would be more of a issue for security.

[Corvus]

Realistically though, which way would they flee? Belarus, Finland? the Baltics? the central Asian republics? the Caucasus? those all have their own issues, like distance or closed borders, or being in russia's pocket. Ukraine would be the closest area where the border situation is chaotic enough that they could flee there easily.

As the Ukrainians pointed out, fleeing towards the mist heavily monitored border where active fighting is going on would be dumb.

But pootie in his speech is saying they had contacts on the Ukrainian side so they are going all in with blaming Ukraine.

The Tajiks are saying it is impossible that 2 of the 4 men arrested for the attack are to blame as they have alibis. So looks like security grabbed 4 convenient looking Muslim men and blamed them.

[Sunseeker]

He can spin the narrative that ukraine is supporting Isis or some other non-sense and people will belive it.
Saying Ukrainians attacked them directly would be more of a issue for security.

I think it still looks like a security issue no matter how he blames the Ukraine. Ultimately it boils down to: Ukraine, either directly, or indirectly through terrorist connections, succeeded in a seriously deadly attack. Ukraine will deny, they have to. This could turn local public opinion, but that hasnt really made much of a difference in Russias war effort anyway.

If it is wholly ISIS, then Russia/Putin looks distracted. Being unable to prevent terror attacks while engaged in a major war.

I dont think it matters which way Putin tries to slice it.

[Makabreska]

I dont think it matters which way Putin tries to slice it.

Yup, Pootie is in a pickle. How is he gonna retaliate? Blame Ukraine and attack them harder? Invade with his broken and occupied army the places in central Asia that this terrorist group comes from? Join West in the attacks against terror groups?

[Cynical Asshole]

I think it still looks like a security issue no matter how he blames the Ukraine. Ultimately it boils down to: Ukraine, either directly, or indirectly through terrorist connections, succeeded in a seriously deadly attack. Ukraine will deny, they have to. This could turn local public opinion, but that hasnt really made much of a difference in Russias war effort anyway.

If it is wholly ISIS, then Russia/Putin looks distracted. Being unable to prevent terror attacks while engaged in a major war.

I dont think it matters which way Putin tries to slice it.

No one in their right mind will believe that Ukraine made a deal with fucking ISIS! If Russians eat this shit up, then they're even more stupid than we think they are!