Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

It's probably the fact that ISIS keeps pumping out evidence to condemn themselves.

Yeah, but he could ignore that, he doesn't so there must eb a reason why. I mean he controls the media.

[Gabriel]

Yeah, but he could ignore that, he doesn't so there must eb a reason why. I mean he controls the media.

There might be people in his circle calling for blood, and he can't just not publicly kill some ISIS if he wants to keep his inner circle intact.

[Cynical Asshole]

There might be people in his circle calling for blood, and he can't just not publicly kill some ISIS if he wants to keep his inner circle intact.

ISIS are pretty hard to get to, so he would have to kill some random Muslims and then claim they were ISIS and involved with the plot. But then Russians always lie like that.

[Iphie]

There might be people in his circle calling for blood, and he can't just not publicly kill some ISIS if he wants to keep his inner circle intact.

I'm thinking, this actually might weaken his position. I think it was you who said: "He can get away with anything as long as no-one calls him out.". Well, he's getting called out here. The lie is just too big. Think about it, if he doesn't go for the right target here he comes of as obsessive and no longer fit for duty. Regardless of whether or not they support his campaign in Ukraine he still has to protect the russian people from OTHER threats as well, that's the social contract, such as it exists in russia, between him and the people.

[Gabriel]

ISIS are pretty hard to get to, so he would have to kill some random Muslims and then claim they were ISIS and involved with the plot. But then Russians always lie like that.

He will absolutely do just that.

I'm thinking, this actually might weaken his position. I think it was you who said: "He can get away with anything as long as no-one calls him out.". Well, he's getting called out here. The lie is just too big.

You are right in that it will weaken his position. This is a distraction for him, one that I'm not sure he can afford.

Think about it, if he doesn't go for the right target here he comes of as obsessive and no longer fit for duty. Regardless of whether or not they support his campaign in Ukraine he still has to protect the russian people from OTHER threats as well, that's the social contract, such as it exists in russia, between him and the people.

This part I don't agree with tho. The Tzar owes nothing to the serfs.

[Iphie]

This part I don't agree with tho. The Tzar owes nothing to the serfs.

And that's where you're wrong, the russian system, as has been said by many russians over time, is based on: "You don't bother us, and we won't bother you. You keep us safe and we're happy", he failed at that. The serfs definitely do not like getting randomly killed in terrorist attacks.

But we need not agree on the details, what we do agree upon is much more important: This distraction is not something he can afford.

NB: "The Tzar owes nothing to the serves", shall we ask the Romanovs how that played out?

[Gabriel]

And that's where you're wrong, the russian system, as has been said by many russians over time, is based on: "You don't bother us, and we won't bother you. You keep us safe and we're happy", he failed at that. The serfs definitely do not like getting randomly killed in terrorist attacks.

He's been failing at that for a decade now with the Ukraine war.

But we need not agree on the details, what we do agree upon is much more important: This distraction is not something he can afford.

NB: "The Tzar owes nothing to the serves", shall we ask the Romanovs how that played out?

I'm hoping for a sequel, but I'm not holding my breath. Russians are free to prove me wrong any time they feel like it.

[Gorsameth]

And that's where you're wrong, the russian system, as has been said by many russians over time, is based on: "You don't bother us, and we won't bother you. You keep us safe and we're happy", he failed at that. The serfs definitely do not like getting randomly killed in terrorist attacks.

But we need not agree on the details, what we do agree upon is much more important: This distraction is not something he can afford.

NB: "The Tzar owes nothing to the serves", shall we ask the Romanovs how that played out?

Yeah he sure is protecting them when they get send into the Ukraine meatgrinder...

[Iphie]

Yeah he sure is protecting them when they get send into the Ukraine meatgrinder...

Do not make the mistake of thinking that the army and the civilians fall under the same contract. It is the civilians he needs to keep safe, the army grunts can die.

[Nutjob]

Seems to me that Russia has opened its own Pandora's box and have damaged their projected power beyond repair.
Always thought that they were playing the long smart game by undermining the west with their propaganda and what the truth was (still seems to be working on certain demographics).
But this attack has just fucked themselves right up.
Crack's seem to be showing and its not just the Ukrainian's and NATO to a certain extent, that they have to worry about.

Invading any country these days is not a good idea if it ever was, what with social media for all its fickleness.
Some other country's seem to be learning the same lesson, reputations are being destroyed.

[Gorsameth]

Do not make the mistake of thinking that the army and the civilians fall under the same contract. It is the civilians he needs to keep safe, the army grunts can die.

But civilians are just one recruitment drive away from being army grunts send to die...

[diller]

I don't think this is isis,.

Like members of ISIS can only look one way...

[Iphie]

But civilians are just one recruitment drive away from being army grunts send to die...

Yes, but sacrifice some for the rest to be safe that's fine. What happened now is that the civilians weren't kept safe and that's a damn problem in an authoritarian system. This opens him up for attack, he clearly isn't as strong as he pretends to be (it's about perception, not reality). Put it simple: if now a serious pretender would stand up then it might be over real quick for pootie. Slim chance, but that's the way the cookie crumbles in an authoritarian system, you are only the boss for as long as people are afraid of you.

[Orange Joe]

I believe people say much the same thing about Americans. I wouldnt say they're wrong. If the people allow the government to do terrible things, or support the governement doing terrible things, or simply take no action at all, then it is difficult to say they are not complicit.

How do you differentiate those that didn't vote for the current government?


Should I be help responsible for trumps actions when I didn't vote for him?

[Sunseeker]

How do you differentiate those that didn't vote for the current government?

Should I be help responsible for trumps actions when I didn't vote for him?

To some extent we all should. The "not my president" argument never held any water. His actions still represent the nation as a whole, represent you and me. If those actions piss someone off to the point that they're willing to kill over it, you or I not voting for him makes little difference.

We dont get to throw our hands up and claim we werent involved. We reap the benefits of this nations actions, we must also suffer its follies.

[Benggaul]

We dont get to throw our hands up and claim we werent involved. We reap the benefits of this nations actions, we must also suffer its follies.

Speak for yourself. I escaped under the last Bush regime.

[Sunseeker]

Speak for yourself. I escaped under the last Bush regime.

If you left the country, good for you. I'm glad you had the wealth and education to move so easily.

[Corvus]

The head of russia's FSB is saying the UK, USA and Ukraine were all involved in the Moscow attack.

[Jessicka]

The head of russia's FSB is saying the UK, USA and Ukraine were all involved in the Moscow attack.

Wise move if he wants to avoid an accident with his windows.

[Benggaul]

If you left the country, good for you. I'm glad you had the wealth and education to move so easily.

Education yes, wealth no. I took myself and two suitcases full of clothes and books because, thankfully, my future wife already had an apartment we could share.

In case it wasn't clear, I wasn't suggesting that anyone who hates it there should move. Just that I don't have to find myself responsible for what's going on there 20 years later. Although I do still get to vote for the most progressive candidates available so I suppose I'm responsible to that degree.