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    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    The veto rights in the UN are stupid and shouldn't be there, I assume they are there because otherwise the countries (specifically the US) would just stop being members (Just like the US don't recognize the International Criminal Court)
    Yes, the veto is a feature to stop the big 5 bowing out when they don't get their way. The whole veto Russia pulled is a feature not a bug of the UN so it doesn't become a new League of Nations. (Not that I agree with what they did, just saying that's basically what the veto is for.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    Bit backwards since by the time UN security council was founded, only a single nation had the nuclear bomb.

    The UN should be seen as the "We won WW2" club, hence why initially Tawain was included as most nations recognized them as the legitimate representative of the Chinese, until reality forced them to acknowledge Mao Zedongs government as its legitimate representative.

    However, pretty much all victors of WW2 later acquired the bomb.
    Just as backwards. Britain and France were massive colonial powers, Britain having a veto specifically meant 1/4 of the world’s landmass and population had one, France wasn’t far behind, while China was basically a third world country but still massive enough to demand one. Russia and America were the other two major world powers.

    You could probably switch up or add some vetoes today but it wouldn’t make a lot of difference. Ultimately these things came out of the failures of the League of Nations and the world is better for having it, whatever it’s current failings. It does way more than try to prevent and resolve conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Just as backwards. Britain and France were massive colonial powers, Britain having a veto specifically meant 1/4 of the world’s landmass and population had one, France wasn’t far behind, while China was basically a third world country but still massive enough to demand one. Russia and America were the other two major world powers.

    You could probably switch up or add some vetoes today but it wouldn’t make a lot of difference. Ultimately these things came out of the failures of the League of Nations and the world is better for having it, whatever it’s current failings. It does way more than try to prevent and resolve conflict.
    well...there is the argument that currently no countries in the Global South are permanent members with Veto powers. So that would make a rather big symbolic differnece

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    well...there is the argument that currently no countries in the Global South are permanent members with Veto powers. So that would make a rather big symbolic differnece
    That would imply add even more difficulty to get a decision without getting vetoed. And to which country would you give that veto ? A big chunks of "South countries" are either dictatorship or have instability issues or straight have crazy people in command.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    That would imply add even more difficulty to get a decision without getting vetoed. And to which country would you give that veto ? A big chunks of "South countries" are either dictatorship or have instability issues or straight have crazy people in command.
    Unlike the US, the UK, Russia and China, which are all very stable democracies that are always ruled by reasonable people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    Unlike the US, the UK, Russia and China, which are all very stable democracies that are always ruled by reasonable people...
    Which is beside the point.

    Was pretty sure that someone would say that though.

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    Iran allegedly tipped of russia before the terrorist attack...

    Reuters

    And there's aparently a fire on the territory of Uralmashavod in Yekaterinaburg...if I'm not mistaken that's the only reamianign active tankfactory in russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Just as backwards. Britain and France were massive colonial powers, Britain having a veto specifically meant 1/4 of the world’s landmass and population had one, France wasn’t far behind, while China was basically a third world country but still massive enough to demand one. Russia and America were the other two major world powers.
    No, it's not.

    The Soviets probably would have not received a seat without WW2 because they were pretty much a closed off society and hadn't absorbed almost the entirety of Eastern Europe.
    China was still embroiled in a civil war, they were not really in a position to "demand" one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Just as backwards. Britain and France were massive colonial powers, Britain having a veto specifically meant 1/4 of the world’s landmass and population had one, France wasn’t far behind, while China was basically a third world country but still massive enough to demand one. Russia and America were the other two major world powers.

    You could probably switch up or add some vetoes today but it wouldn’t make a lot of difference. Ultimately these things came out of the failures of the League of Nations and the world is better for having it, whatever it’s current failings. It does way more than try to prevent and resolve conflict.
    China was added because Russia demanded counterbalance to US&UK dynamic and French were a compromise when US&UK wanted to add one more because they were seen less aligned by Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    The veto rights in the UN are stupid and shouldn't be there, I assume they are there because otherwise the countries (specifically the US) would just stop being members (Just like the US don't recognize the International Criminal Court)
    The veto rights are there by design, to remind the world who is in charge and that some nations are inherently better than the rest.

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    Ukraine just managed to hit a factory in Tartarstan, which is 1200km from the border.

    At least 3 drones hit which means they flew deep into Russia for a number of hours without being spotted.

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    Almost looks like a Cessna.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/WvTQZErAgG

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    This was the factory were Iranian Shahad drones are put together. Guess russia thought it was too far away for Ukraine to hit. But given the priority the target you can bet Ukraine was looking for ways to hit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Ukraine just managed to hit a factory in Tartarstan, which is 1200km from the border.

    At least 3 drones hit which means they flew deep into Russia for a number of hours without being spotted.

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    Almost looks like a Cessna.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/WvTQZErAgG

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    This was the factory were Iranian Shahad drones are put together. Guess russia thought it was too far away for Ukraine to hit. But given the priority the target you can bet Ukraine was looking for ways to hit it.
    It's slow, big, and 1200 km away from the border, which AA forces have been sleeping?

    No, seriously who was sleeping on the job?

  13. #37893
    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    It's slow, big, and 1200 km away from the border, which AA forces have been sleeping?

    No, seriously who was sleeping on the job?
    From sleeping on the job, to forever sleeping on the job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    It's slow, big, and 1200 km away from the border, which AA forces have been sleeping?

    No, seriously who was sleeping on the job?
    AA Radar isn't necessarily good at detecting a slow small target hugging the surface of the earth.

    Also pick any of the following:
    Drunk radar operator
    Drunk missile operator
    Bribed because Putin couldn't pay them
    Radar or missile sold for parts

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    Estone finds 800k-1million shells

    Seems that now the restrictions to keep it in house are off Eu countries can find a shitton of shells for Ukraine. The requested anonymity of suppliers really makes me think they're countries otherwise friendly to russia though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Estone finds 800k-1million shells

    Seems that now the restrictions to keep it in house are off Eu countries can find a shitton of shells for Ukraine. The requested anonymity of suppliers really makes me think they're countries otherwise friendly to russia though.
    Friendly, or hell, it could even be greedy warehouse managers in RuZZia for all we know. Fine as long as Ukraine gets it's needed ammo I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    AA Radar isn't necessarily good at detecting a slow small target hugging the surface of the earth.

    Also pick any of the following:
    Drunk radar operator
    Drunk missile operator
    Bribed because Putin couldn't pay them
    Radar or missile sold for parts
    I'm keen on the secret fifth option: Russia has fuckall for AA systems and has most of them pointed at Ukraine right now.

    Though most likely it's probably as you said; AA batteries out that far are probably real old and not keyed into targets the size of those drones, flying at those altitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Estone finds 800k-1million shells

    Seems that now the restrictions to keep it in house are off Eu countries can find a shitton of shells for Ukraine. The requested anonymity of suppliers really makes me think they're countries otherwise friendly to russia though.
    Could also be NATO country backed shell companies funneling munitions in through third parties to get around specific problems the individual countries might be facing in terms of actually passing defense aid for Ukraine. (IE: Sneaking behind Russia sympathetic or pussyfooting legislatures)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    I'm keen on the secret fifth option: Russia has fuckall for AA systems and has most of them pointed at Ukraine right now.
    Yeah, about that - the head of the Tartarstan region has said enterprises can't rely on russian air defence systems to protect so they will have to defend themselves.

    https://meduza-io.translate.goog/new..._x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Friendly, or hell, it could even be greedy warehouse managers in RuZZia for all we know. Fine as long as Ukraine gets it's needed ammo I suppose.
    Hey if it's greedy russian warehouse managers I like the double whammy of ammo for Ukraine while simultaneously denying it to russia.

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    https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...4ig5t1d7q8nj0v

    The Only U.S. Lawmaker Born in Ukraine Is Now Skeptical of More Aid


    "I understand the importance of this battle and the implications if Russia is going to prevail, but I’m also not very naive. If we don’t have proper oversight, we are not going to achieve our goals,” she said. “We cannot have these never-ending wars.”

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