Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

Ukraine just managed to hit a factory in Tartarstan, which is 1200km from the border.

At least 3 drones hit which means they flew deep into Russia for a number of hours without being spotted.

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Almost looks like a Cessna.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/WvTQZErAgG

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This was the factory were Iranian Shahad drones are put together. Guess russia thought it was too far away for Ukraine to hit. But given the priority the target you can bet Ukraine was looking for ways to hit it.

[Iphie]

Ukraine just managed to hit a factory in Tartarstan, which is 1200km from the border.

At least 3 drones hit which means they flew deep into Russia for a number of hours without being spotted.

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Almost looks like a Cessna.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/WvTQZErAgG

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This was the factory were Iranian Shahad drones are put together. Guess russia thought it was too far away for Ukraine to hit. But given the priority the target you can bet Ukraine was looking for ways to hit it.

It's slow, big, and 1200 km away from the border, which AA forces have been sleeping?

No, seriously who was sleeping on the job?

[Fuiking]

It's slow, big, and 1200 km away from the border, which AA forces have been sleeping?

No, seriously who was sleeping on the job?

From sleeping on the job, to forever sleeping on the job

[Ivanstone]

It's slow, big, and 1200 km away from the border, which AA forces have been sleeping?

No, seriously who was sleeping on the job?

AA Radar isn't necessarily good at detecting a slow small target hugging the surface of the earth.

Also pick any of the following:
Drunk radar operator
Drunk missile operator
Bribed because Putin couldn't pay them
Radar or missile sold for parts

[Iphie]

Estone finds 800k-1million shells

Seems that now the restrictions to keep it in house are off Eu countries can find a shitton of shells for Ukraine. The requested anonymity of suppliers really makes me think they're countries otherwise friendly to russia though.

[Azadina]

Estone finds 800k-1million shells

Seems that now the restrictions to keep it in house are off Eu countries can find a shitton of shells for Ukraine. The requested anonymity of suppliers really makes me think they're countries otherwise friendly to russia though.

Friendly, or hell, it could even be greedy warehouse managers in RuZZia for all we know. Fine as long as Ukraine gets it's needed ammo I suppose.

[Xyonai]

AA Radar isn't necessarily good at detecting a slow small target hugging the surface of the earth.

Also pick any of the following:
Drunk radar operator
Drunk missile operator
Bribed because Putin couldn't pay them
Radar or missile sold for parts

I'm keen on the secret fifth option: Russia has fuckall for AA systems and has most of them pointed at Ukraine right now.

Though most likely it's probably as you said; AA batteries out that far are probably real old and not keyed into targets the size of those drones, flying at those altitudes.

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Estone finds 800k-1million shells

Seems that now the restrictions to keep it in house are off Eu countries can find a shitton of shells for Ukraine. The requested anonymity of suppliers really makes me think they're countries otherwise friendly to russia though.

Could also be NATO country backed shell companies funneling munitions in through third parties to get around specific problems the individual countries might be facing in terms of actually passing defense aid for Ukraine. (IE: Sneaking behind Russia sympathetic or pussyfooting legislatures)

[Corvus]

I'm keen on the secret fifth option: Russia has fuckall for AA systems and has most of them pointed at Ukraine right now.

Yeah, about that - the head of the Tartarstan region has said enterprises can't rely on russian air defence systems to protect so they will have to defend themselves.

https://meduza-io.translate.goog/new..._x_tr_pto=wapp

[Iphie]

Friendly, or hell, it could even be greedy warehouse managers in RuZZia for all we know. Fine as long as Ukraine gets it's needed ammo I suppose.

Hey if it's greedy russian warehouse managers I like the double whammy of ammo for Ukraine while simultaneously denying it to russia.

[Ulmita]

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...4ig5t1d7q8nj0v

The Only U.S. Lawmaker Born in Ukraine Is Now Skeptical of More Aid

"I understand the importance of this battle and the implications if Russia is going to prevail, but I’m also not very naive. If we don’t have proper oversight, we are not going to achieve our goals,” she said. “We cannot have these never-ending wars.”

[Kaleredar]

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...4ig5t1d7q8nj0v

The Only U.S. Lawmaker Born in Ukraine Is Now Skeptical of More Aid

Who is saying anything about endless?

Four or five good years of aide to Ukraine should be more than enough to crater Russia's future prospects on the global stage, even moreso than they've already done.

[Veggie50]

USA gets to watch their arch rivals nuts getting crushed in a vice for pennies, and still theres peoples complaining “it’s too expensive”.

Not because of any actual finances… because of contrarianism between democrats and republicans.

[Kaleredar]

USA gets to watch their arch rivals nuts getting crushed in a vice for pennies, and still theres peoples complaining “it’s too expensive”.

Not because of any actual finances… because of contrarianism between democrats and republicans.

That's a great deal of it yes, but I imagine some of them, whether political talking heads, investors, or straight-up politicians, also previously enjoyed some amount of income from Russian interests that's a lot harder to get ahold of these days.

[Gabriel]

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/...4ig5t1d7q8nj0v

The Only U.S. Lawmaker Born in Ukraine Is Now Skeptical of More Aid

You're right. We should get even better gear to Ukraine, so that they can end this faster.

[Flarelaine]

Yeah, about that - the head of the Tartarstan region has said enterprises can't rely on russian air defence systems to protect so they will have to defend themselves.

https://meduza-io.translate.goog/new..._x_tr_pto=wapp

Now that's wild.

There has been highly speculative talk, on and off, of Russia falling to pieces either because of losing a war or just collapsing under the weight of its own incompetent leadership. I'm not saying it's likely but a constituent republic declaring they cannot rely on federal protection and taking defense matters into their own hands is a step in that direction.

And what makes it more credible, however slightly, is that as far as I know, Tatarstan is one of Russia's constituent entities that would actually be economically viable. Possibly even better off alone.

[Iphie]

Now that's wild.

There has been highly speculative talk, on and off, of Russia falling to pieces either because of losing a war or just collapsing under the weight of its own incompetent leadership. I'm not saying it's likely but a constituent republic declaring they cannot rely on federal protection and taking defense matters into their own hands is a step in that direction.

And what makes it more credible, however slightly, is that as far as I know, Tatarstan is one of Russia's constituent entities that would actually be economically viable. Possibly even better off alone.

I think Chechnya has also voiced something to that effect, iirc they wanted to do their air defence separately from the russian federation. This was a year or so ago, I think.

[Warning]

We should be hitting Iranian Shahed production facilities and any other facility that supplies arms to Russia. It is ridiculous that we are allowing terrorism against the Ukrainian population like this.

[Iphie]

We should be hitting Iranian Shahed production facilities and any other facility that supplies arms to Russia. It is ridiculous that we are allowing terrorism against the Ukrainian population like this.

I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that the russians are apparently forcing minors to work in those factories and I cannot condone intentional strikes which can possible hit minors, even if they are russians.

[ringpriest]

Now that's wild.

There has been highly speculative talk, on and off, of Russia falling to pieces either because of losing a war or just collapsing under the weight of its own incompetent leadership. I'm not saying it's likely but a constituent republic declaring they cannot rely on federal protection and taking defense matters into their own hands is a step in that direction.

And what makes it more credible, however slightly, is that as far as I know, Tatarstan is one of Russia's constituent entities that would actually be economically viable. Possibly even better off alone.

Tartarstan has always been more independent that the typical Russian federal subject. It has a massive oil reserve, and has largely escaped post-Soviet looting by Moscow elites.

It is something of a balancing act. Tartarstan cannot even come close to opposing up to Moscow, but should the Russian empire start to crumble, it will be among the first to assert its (still technically extant) sovereignty. But its people will not start anything. Among other things, even if you include adjacent Tartar-heavy federal subjects, Tartarstan is landlocked and surrounded by Russia. Russia needs to break up before Tatarstan can practically exercise any true independence.

[Flarelaine]

Tartarstan has always been more independent that the typical Russian federal subject. It has a massive oil reserve, and has largely escaped post-Soviet looting by Moscow elites.

It is something of a balancing act. Tartarstan cannot even come close to opposing up to Moscow, but should the Russian empire start to crumble, it will be among the first to assert its (still technically extant) sovereignty. But its people will not start anything. Among other things, even if you include adjacent Tartar-heavy federal subjects, Tartarstan is landlocked and surrounded by Russia. Russia needs to break up before Tatarstan can practically exercise any true independence.

Also, Tatarstan has industry Moscow will want to hang on to. But they seem to be preparing anyway.