Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

He's not even a Russophile. He just made taking the morally most despicable possible position on every subject a core element of his personality.

If the consensus was that killing and eating little children is morally despicable, he'd argue in favor of it.

What do you mean IF? It IS the consensus...right?

[DarkTZeratul]

What do you mean IF? It IS the consensus...right?

Well somebody never read A Modest Proposal...

[AntiFascistVoter]

Primary Color is not a bot, just an absolute moron. Like catastrophically so.

I thought of the druid guy ... because ya know... druids are true neutral.

[Voidism]

On the nukes thing.

The reason why talking about nukes in the West is good is that it blunts putins mentions of nukes the times he does it. That way he just sounds lame and repetitive. Smol dickie pootin.

[Elder Millennial]

On the nukes thing.

The reason why talking about nukes in the West is good is that it blunts putins mentions of nukes the times he does it. That way he just sounds lame and repetitive. Smol dickie pootin.

I'm unironically curious how the Russians would react if American officials started Tweeting about nuking Russia or if Morning Joe on MSNBC did 1 hour segments pondering quizzical about which Russian cities should we nuke first, or the New York Times started publishing articles about how "the US has no borders", or have David Frum write articles about how Vladivostok should belong to the US?

[zorkuus]

I'm unironically curious how the Russians would react if American officials started Tweeting about nuking Russia or if Morning Joe on MSNBC did 1 hour segments pondering quizzical about which Russian cities should we nuke first, or the New York Times started publishing articles about how "the US has no borders", or have David Frum write articles about how Vladivostok should belong to the US?

They would whine and cry like the small dick little bitches they are. It would be pathetic beta male crybaby energy of epic proportions.

[Kaleredar]

I'm unironically curious how the Russians would react if American officials started Tweeting about nuking Russia or if Morning Joe on MSNBC did 1 hour segments pondering quizzical about which Russian cities should we nuke first, or the New York Times started publishing articles about how "the US has no borders", or have David Frum write articles about how Vladivostok should belong to the US?

The only ones warmongering and full of hot air enough to do so are all republicans, and they love Russia.

[TrueNeutral]

We could literally break Russia's back in half for a fucking measily 100 to 200 billion dollars without losing a single fucking life with a minimum effort

Funny that you talk about how they could spending a 100 measly billion dollars to "break Russia's back" as you put it when the US has already invested close to that amount to Ukraine, and not to mention aid from European countries. The whole western world is essentially in a proxy war against Russia and Russia is still winning (they won Avdiivka recently). That is probably the worst return on investment in modern warfare.

It is always easy to encourage others to fight a war from the comfort of your own home. Do you know that Ukraine is facing troop shortage? I heard the International Legion is looking for foreigners to fight their war, why don't you sign up since you like to cheerlead for "breaking another country's back"?"

[Specialka]

Funny that you talk about how they could spending a 100 measly billion dollars to "break Russia's back" as you put it when the US has already invested close to that amount to Ukraine, and not to mention aid from European countries. The whole western world is essentially in a proxy war against Russia and Russia is still winning (they won Avdiivka recently). That is probably the worst return on investment in modern warfare.

It is always easy to encourage others to fight a war from the comfort of your own home. Do you know that Ukraine is facing troop shortage? I heard the International Legion is looking for foreigners to fight their war, why don't you sign up since you like to cheerlead for "breaking another country's back"?"

Not really as Western countries only sent mostly outdated equipments and no combat forces. And those proves that "latest" and most modern Russian equipement are, sorry but true, dog shit (aka S400 and T14 Armata).

And Russia already "lost" the war in the sense that they showed they were not a superpower as they pretended to be. They still may won against Ukraine but at what cost ?

[Dontrike]

The whole western world is essentially in a proxy war against Russia and Russia is still winning (they won Avdiivka recently).

You've got a dumb definition of "winning" if you think Russia is winning on any level in this war or the world right now. For three years they've essentially been forced to stave off a recession and every day it gets closer, they have a generation gap from all the fodder they keep throwing to the wood chipper, and they're using 60+ year old equipment.

All of this just so Putin can feel like a man, a shame you bot employees are forced to watch the propaganda videos else you might hate him burning your economy down.

[ghotihook]

Funny that you talk about how they could spending a 100 measly billion dollars to "break Russia's back" as you put it when the US has already invested close to that amount to Ukraine, and not to mention aid from European countries. The whole western world is essentially in a proxy war against Russia and Russia is still winning (they won Avdiivka recently). That is probably the worst return on investment in modern warfare.

It is always easy to encourage others to fight a war from the comfort of your own home. Do you know that Ukraine is facing troop shortage? I heard the International Legion is looking for foreigners to fight their war, why don't you sign up since you like to cheerlead for "breaking another country's back"?"

This has been the single best use of military money in decades, not only are we able to safely dispose of outdated material, but at a cost of a small fraction of our miltary budget. It has also created a boom in US military companies and suppliers. All this with the bonus of understanding and weakening Russia's ability to wage war.

[zealo]

I'm unironically curious how the Russians would react if American officials started Tweeting about nuking Russia or if Morning Joe on MSNBC did 1 hour segments pondering quizzical about which Russian cities should we nuke first, or the New York Times started publishing articles about how "the US has no borders", or have David Frum write articles about how Vladivostok should belong to the US?

They would bitch and whine about it without displaying even a hint of caring about the hypocrisy in that reaction, with what regularly happens on Russian state TV as is already.

A great ability to let incredible irony in their own behaviour just run off them like water is standard behaviour with Russians.

[Elder Millennial]

Funny that you talk about how they could spending a 100 measly billion dollars to "break Russia's back" as you put it when the US has already invested close to that amount to Ukraine, and not to mention aid from European countries. The whole western world is essentially in a proxy war against Russia and Russia is still winning (they won Avdiivka recently). That is probably the worst return on investment in modern warfare.

It is always easy to encourage others to fight a war from the comfort of your own home. Do you know that Ukraine is facing troop shortage? I heard the International Legion is looking for foreigners to fight their war, why don't you sign up since you like to cheerlead for "breaking another country's back"?"

Yes, every time you fuckwits talk about Ukraine aid, the amount magically expands.

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much...are-six-charts

https://crsreports.congress.gov/prod...B%2022%20U.S.C.

The US gave Ukraine about 75 billion dollars. And that number is mostly inflated horseshit and creative accounting where the money spent on domestic stuff gets magically included into the Ukraine aid package's value. This number includes humanitarian aid, loans and military aid. Military aid amounted to about 40 billion.

The bulk of that money was spent within the United States in the form of purchasing new equipment or investing in certain production capabilities (which we should do anyway). The actual dollar value of US gear provided to Ukraine amounts to less than 12 billion dollars.

The EU has provided significantly more, but the EU's problem is not a lack of willingness to fund Ukraine, it's a lack of military production capacity. What the US can provide because it has in abundance is fucking gear.

And yes, Ukraine is having troop shortages because it has to reform its mobilization system, it's also harder to convince people to sign up if you can't fucking guarantee that you can provide them with equipment.

Instead of reciting absolute retarded shit you got from Marjorie Taylor Green and other fuckwits, maybe do some fucking reading.

The absolute confidence with which you recite complete horseshit never ceases to amaze me.

[alach]

US transfers thousands of seized Iranian guns, rocket launchers and munitions to Ukraine
CNN
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The US transferred thousands of machine guns, sniper rifles, rocket launchers and hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition seized from Iran to Ukraine last week, US Central Command announced on Tuesday.

Ukraine has been suffering from shortages of weapons and munitions on the battlefield in its war against Russia, with the US unable to send more equipment from its own stockpiles until more funding is approved by Congress.

CENTCOM said the materiel transferred to Ukraine is enough to equip one Ukrainian brigade — around 4,000 personnel — with small-arms rifles. “These weapons will help Ukraine defend against Russia’s invasion,” CENTCOM said in a statement.

Now the Ukrainians can use everything they can get and are happy with anything, but does some siezed, second-hand gear from Iran sound like the west is fighting a proxy war with Russia? Give me a break. This is literally bottom of the barrel.

[Benggaul]

Now the Ukrainians can use everything they can get and are happy with anything, but does some siezed, second-hand gear from Iran sound like the west is fighting a proxy war with Russia? Give me a break. This is literally bottom of the barrel.

Uh, what? Seems pretty great to me. Gets around the GOP holdups in Congress and gets some much-needed arms into Ukrainian hands. Also looks like a lot of EU countries are finding similar ways of getting around political blocks to send materiel.

[alach]

Uh, what? Seems pretty great to me. Gets around the GOP holdups in Congress and gets some much-needed arms into Ukrainian hands. Also looks like a lot of EU countries are finding similar ways of getting around political blocks to send materiel.

Sure it is, I just don't want Mr Neutral up there thinking this is the Americans battling it out with all their might against the brave and heroic russian soldiers.

[Benggaul]

Sure it is, I just don't want Mr Neutral up there thinking this is the Americans battling it out with all their might against the brave and heroic russian soldiers.

Oh definitely not. The US is currently supplying aid with two hands tied behind its back.

[YUPPIE]

On the state of affairs, we've come quite a long way from the narrative Ukraine is defeating Russia to Zelenksy begging for aid and expressing US support is a necessity or they would just lose otherwise.

[Odinfrost]

On the state of affairs, we've come quite a long way from the narrative Ukraine is defeating Russia to Zelenksy begging for aid and expressing US support is a necessity or they would just lose otherwise.

Huh. That's weird. How strange that when they were getting the supplies they needed, they could not only hold the line, but push the russians back, and now that they don't get what they need, they can't.
Ain't that a strange coinkidink?!

[Benggaul]

Huh. That's weird. How strange that when they were getting the supplies they needed, they could not only hold the line, but push the russians back, and now that they don't get what they need, they can't.
Ain't that a strange coinkidink?!

I mean it's what was said through the entirety of the war to date so Yuppie is, as per usual, contributing nothing of value.