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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Republican's hatred for Ukraine truly confused me for quite a while.

    The whole "Don't tread on me/patriotism/I'm a Western Chauvinist" crowd turned on a dime when running into an actual citizen army, fighting off an evil dictatorship in the name of God and Country and Western Values and free trade.

    I'm like these people right here are the living breathing incarnation of everything you people claimed to have stood for for the last 80 years.
    Yes but the democrats support the Ukrainians and they don’t want the democrats to look good.

    And Russia supports some members of the GOP, so they want to keep that going to. Why? Well, it might be out of the goodness of Russia’s heart… or it might be out of knowledge that Republican leadership leads to a weaker, more insular, more divided and overall less effective United States as a global competitor.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Russia is also a fascist state preaching ethono-nationalism that treats minorities and other ethnicities really badly and is extremely patriarchal.

    That is far more relevant to them than fighting off an invading empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Yes but the democrats support the Ukrainians and they don’t want the democrats to look good.

    And Russia supports some members of the GOP, so they want to keep that going to. Why? Well, it might be out of the goodness of Russia’s heart… or it might be out of knowledge that Republican leadership leads to a weaker, more insular, more divided and overall less effective United States as a global competitor.
    Also the bit I talked about earlier where, direct Russian Influence aside, Republicans just think Russia's really cool because they wanna grow up to be like Russia; a strong man autocracy that bans everything they don't like, and Russia being big and strong and winning this war gives their ideology merit.

    It's why all the American and European fascist are spending so much time jacking each-other off right now. They're all in this together to make sure their stupid, shitty, harmful ideologies thrive and grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Also the bit I talked about earlier where, direct Russian Influence aside, Republicans just think Russia's really cool because they wanna grow up to be like Russia; a strong man autocracy that bans everything they don't like, and Russia being big and strong and winning this war gives their ideology merit.

    It's why all the American and European fascist are spending so much time jacking each-other off right now. They're all in this together to make sure their stupid, shitty, harmful ideologies thrive and grow.
    I suppose that's true in a sense. It reinforces the notion that the big, strongman state can succeed over the wimpy, woke-agenda having sissy liberal states.

    ...when big strongman state can attack a nation much smaller than it...
    ...and when big strongman state can throw waves and waves of their own troops in a brainless meatwave in the hopes of ultimately wearing down their opponent...
    ...and and when big strongman state's opponent is being hamstrung by exterior elements...

    damn they don't seem so "strong" after all...


    Like it's no coincidence that common water-carrier-for-Russia-in-this-thread poster also started a complaint thread about Blizzard having a "pride" umbrella in next month's trading post.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Republican's hatred for Ukraine truly confused me for quite a while.

    The whole "Don't tread on me/patriotism/I'm a Western Chauvinist" crowd turned on a dime when running into an actual citizen army, fighting off an evil dictatorship in the name of God and Country and Western Values and free trade.

    I'm like these people right here are the living breathing incarnation of everything you people claimed to have stood for for the last 80 years.
    They seemed to have turned on and given up most of their ideals since about 2016.

    I just recently re-watched Red Dawn, its one of the most "American Good!"", manly, patriotic, movies from the 80s, and I'm pretty sure all the heroes in this movie are conversatives. From a small town in Colorado, kids defending the country from the evil reds.
    Where did all those people go?

    (good movies tho)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    They seemed to have turned on and given up most of their ideals since about 2016.

    I just recently re-watched Red Dawn, its one of the most "American Good!"", manly, patriotic, movies from the 80s, and I'm pretty sure all the heroes in this movie are conversatives. From a small town in Colorado, kids defending the country from the evil reds.
    Where did all those people go?

    (good movies tho)
    It's about fear. Back in the 80s the "fear" was the soviets. That's why you had to embrace conservative Reaganism. If you didn't, the commies would win and would blow you up. The sissy liberals were too weak to fight them off.

    Now, who's the enemy? "Woke culture" from within, of course. The sissy liberals are of course once again ineffective. Hell, they're part of the problem! You have to support MAGAism, or otherwise woke culture wins and will take your guns, teach your children to be gays, and make you wear drag. The evil USSR was defeated, now only big strong manly Russia remains to help fight off the real enemy: wokeness.

    I mean, @Kokolums basically spouts that nonsense. That the various conservative groups of the US will readily recruit Russian military forces and those of other right wing despotic-leaning countries to help crush liberal groups and help consolidate conservative hegemony. And not in the online spambot way they're doing today, no, but with actual boots on the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I suppose that's true in a sense. It reinforces the notion that the big, strongman state can succeed over the wimpy, woke-agenda having sissy liberal states.

    ...when big strongman state can attack a nation much smaller than it...
    ...and when big strongman state can throw waves and waves of their own troops in a brainless meatwave in the hopes of ultimately wearing down their opponent...
    ...and and when big strongman state's opponent is being hamstrung by exterior elements...

    damn they don't seem so "strong" after all...


    Like it's no coincidence that common water-carrier-for-Russia-in-this-thread poster also started a complaint thread about Blizzard having a "pride" umbrella in next month's trading post.
    Results never matter so much as appearances.

    If -actually- being big and tough and getting results mattered, they wouldn't be rallying behind Donald Trump and their brightest minds wouldn't all be terminally online freaks. Nah, they just like the security blanket of projecting strength, of saying shit that makes them feel all tingly inside, and pretending that they're big and tough by bullying everyone else who doesn't have the power to stop them.

    Then when reality gets too much to ignore they'll throw a tantrum and a shitfit that the world's not bending over backwards to suck their dick and appease their combination superiority/victim complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    Also the bit I talked about earlier where, direct Russian Influence aside, Republicans just think Russia's really cool because they wanna grow up to be like Russia; a strong man autocracy that bans everything they don't like, and Russia being big and strong and winning this war gives their ideology merit.

    It's why all the American and European fascist are spending so much time jacking each-other off right now. They're all in this together to make sure their stupid, shitty, harmful ideologies thrive and grow.
    Ah thank you, I have been saying this all the time. Our radical left is saying that Ukraine should go to negociation now and basically surrender. After all, Radical left is the other side of the same coin than far right.

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    The difference is that while the far right loves russia, the radical left loathes the US and the West. They are backing russia for different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The difference is that while the far right loves russia, the radical left loathes the US and the West. They are backing russia for different reasons.
    Which might end with the same result, different sides of the same coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The difference is that while the far right loves russia, the radical left loathes the US and the West. They are backing russia for different reasons.
    And both groups are conveniently ignoring that Russia is an oppressive, authoritarian dictatorship that has committed countless war crimes and regularly assassinates those who speak out against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    And both groups are conveniently ignoring that Russia is an oppressive, authoritarian dictatorship that has committed countless war crimes and regularly assassinates those who speak out against them.
    The right doesn't ignore it, they want to be one themselves.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Republican's hatred for Ukraine truly confused me for quite a while.

    The whole "Don't tread on me/patriotism/I'm a Western Chauvinist" crowd turned on a dime when running into an actual citizen army, fighting off an evil dictatorship in the name of God and Country and Western Values and free trade.

    I'm like these people right here are the living breathing incarnation of everything you people claimed to have stood for for the last 80 years.
    Protecting your financial interests abroad is as American as eating apple pie or the girl next door.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    The right doesn't ignore it, they want to be one themselves.
    And the radical left would become one anyway.

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    So analysts are saying Iran used the same technique that Russia uses when they fired that barrage of missiles and drones on Saturday. I think this is an important detail for the house republicans that support Isreal but not Ukraine, that by assisting one you are gaining information on both enemy tactics.... Maybe. I don't really know. But maybe the reason the Iranian attack failed so badly was that the west already had insight into the the strategy that Russia has been using for the last couple years in Ukraine.
    Or maybe I'm reaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    So analysts are saying Iran used the same technique that Russia uses when they fired that barrage of missiles and drones on Saturday. I think this is an important detail for the house republicans that support Isreal but not Ukraine, that by assisting one you are gaining information on both enemy tactics.... Maybe. I don't really know. But maybe the reason the Iranian attack failed so badly was that the west already had insight into the the strategy that Russia has been using for the last couple years in Ukraine.
    Or maybe I'm reaching.
    The reason why the Iranian attack didn't do diddly squat was...

    1. The Iranians spent the last 10 days warning they are going to do it. Giving everyone time to get ready, prepare, move assets into place.
    2. The attack was launched over a greater distance and over a third country (Jordan), with tons of early warning and radar systems in place, US/British and Jordanian.
    3. There were interceptors, missile and aerial assets in place from the US, UK and Jordan before a single missile or drone would have made it to Israel.
    4. Israel is fucking tiny. Like 4000 sq miles smaller than the Kharkiev Oblast of Ukraine alone. (8500 sq miles for Isreal, 12100 sq miles for Kharkiev Oblast), allowing for a massive concentration of air defenses.
    5. Israel proper is absolutely saturated with layered air defenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Russia is also a fascist state preaching ethono-nationalism that treats minorities and other ethnicities really badly and is extremely patriarchal.
    number of ethnicities Russia consists of: more than 190.
    You are a liar, and a russophobe, though being a westoid the latter must be a given.

    - - - Updated - - -

    They say our forces have killed some french frogs from the Foreign Legion near Slavyansk the other day.
    If it's true, Glory to Russian Weaponry!

    If it's false, I am eager to hear lamentations of french women later on. Frenchfries are good at dieing to Russian weaponry.

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    Do remind me please, who did say here, that investing in Ukrainians dieing in droves just to hurt Russia is the best kind of investition ever?
    Does that sound very democratic to you?

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    I'm sure Russia will claim victory...any day now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PgStckr View Post
    number of ethnicities Russia consists of: more than 190.
    You are a liar, and a russophobe, though being a westoid the latter must be a given.

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    They say our forces have killed some french frogs from the Foreign Legion near Slavyansk the other day.
    If it's true, Glory to Russian Weaponry!

    If it's false, I am eager to hear lamentations of french women later on. Frenchfries are good at dieing to Russian weaponry.

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    Do remind me please, who did say here, that investing in Ukrainians dieing in droves just to hurt Russia is the best kind of investition ever?
    Does that sound very democratic to you?
    I'm probably fishing for an infraction and should know better to respond to trolls like you, but you really fit the typical Russian stereotype of being a lying, cheating, tool that puts his own best interests above even that of his poor baba.
    Last edited by alach; 2024-04-15 at 01:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I'm sure Russia will claim victory...any day now...
    Ukrainians are literally running out of, well, Ukrainians.
    There's a reason the drafting age is lowered
    There's a reason they are drafting even women
    There's a reason they put razorwire fence near Tisza river the other day
    There's a reason borders are closed for Ukrainain men so they won't escape
    There's a reason their comissars are doing incredible, awful, brutal and atrocious, inhumane acts of drafting people against their will and inspite of their medical or psychic conditions

    https://youtube.com/shorts/IeImMrgL1...hhLFFDpyFKp_yw
    That's how they draft

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