Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Muzjhath]

Instead of 3.

Lol

Hi. Swede here.

Without Russia invading first Crimea and then Ukraine no way in hell Sweden would have joined NATO.

An EU army? Potentially
NATO never.

NATO was as popular as it ever had been post 9/11 2001 before the Iraq invasion of 2003.
Since then people who wanted Sweden to join had shrunk and been trending down. There was a small uptick whenever Putin was an idiot and flew fighter jets into Swedish Airspace.

2014 made it trend upwards again. But it stopped and kinda flat lined. Up whenever Putin was aggressive. Down whenever Russia was quiet.

Then this invasion happened and people wanting to join NATO jumped by 20-30%.

The people who dislike NATO? That never changed ever through this 30 year period.

[Shadowferal]

There seems to be some pretty severe flooding going on in Russia in places at the moment that they’re probably seeking to distract attention from.

Read about that earlier. Almost a million people affected. Mass evacuations as floods in Russia’s Kurgan region set to peak

[PgStckr]

Lol

Hi. Swede here.

Without Russia invading first Crimea and then Ukraine no way in hell Sweden would have joined NATO.

An EU army? Potentially
NATO never.

NATO was as popular as it ever had been post 9/11 2001 before the Iraq invasion of 2003.
Since then people who wanted Sweden to join had shrunk and been trending down. There was a small uptick whenever Putin was an idiot and flew fighter jets into Swedish Airspace.

2014 made it trend upwards again. But it stopped and kinda flat lined. Up whenever Putin was aggressive. Down whenever Russia was quiet.

Then this invasion happened and people wanting to join NATO jumped by 20-30%.

The people who dislike NATO? That never changed ever through this 30 year period.

You mean to say, Sweden was not already a part of nato all this time?
Joining "partnership for peace" nato program among first
Sending military specialists to act in un operations in kosovo(je Srbja), Bosnia, Afghanistan, Mali.
I mean, you literally intervened in Libya in 2011 along with nato.
You *were* nato in all but name.

[Shadowferal]

Georgia is reminding Russia it's still an uppity country that really hates them; Protesters demand Georgia government withdraw proposed 'Russian law'

Thousands of people demonstrated in the Georgian capital Tbilisi on Monday demanding the withdrawal of a controversial "foreign influence" bill they say is inspired by authoritarian laws neighbouring Russia uses to crush dissent.

Outside parliament, 23-year old Marisha said: "We are fighting for our freedom," as she held a long stick with the Georgian flag hoisted on top.

"We want to have a bright future, and I think it's the responsibility of every person who lives in this county to come out."

The bill would require non-governmental organisations and media outlets that receive more than 20% of their funding from abroad to register as an "organisation serving the interests of a foreign power".

Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said the proposed law was needed to ensure the financial transparency of grant recipients.

But opposition parties and independent journalists have said the bill is an attempt to crush critical voices in Georgia and sabotage the country's chances of joining the EU. They have said it mirrors similar legislation introduced by Russian President Vladimir Putin in his country.

"Georgia will not surrender to re-Sovietisation!" pro-Western President Salome Zurabishvili wrote on X, formerly Twitter.

The Georgian government has rejected any comparison to the Russian legislation.

"I agree that no Russian laws should be adopted in Georgia," Georgian Dream's parliamentary leader Mamuka Mdinaradze said during a parliamentary debate on Monday. Shortly after he was punched in the face by opposition MP Aleko Elisashvili while speaking at the despatch box, triggering a brawl in parliament.

The proposed "foreign influence" bill has been strongly condemned by both the EU and the US. Both have said it is incompatible with the country's stated aim of EU integration.

A 2023 poll found that more than 80% of Georgia's 3.7 million population supported joining the EU.

Last December, the EU granted Georgia candidate status, subject to extensive negotiations on topics including democratic norms.

Putin is losing on multiple fronts.

[KrayZ33]

You mean to say, Sweden was not already a part of nato all this time?
Joining "partnership for peace" nato program among first
Sending military specialists to act in un operations in kosovo(je Srbja), Bosnia, Afghanistan, Mali.
I mean, you literally intervened in Libya in 2011 along with nato.
You *were* nato in all but name.

Oh... does that mean Russia is part of NATO and is scared of NATO at the same time? Weird.

[Benggaul]

Sure would be nice if obvious sockpuppet accounts that post nothing but pure propaganda and conspiracy theories actually got permabanned instead of this ridiculously stupid "see you in a week" bullshit.

There is absolutely no fucking reason to be lenient on them when it's obvious that they're here purely to stir shit up, not to have an actual discussion.

[Gorsameth]

Sure would be nice if obvious sockpuppet accounts that post nothing but pure propaganda and conspiracy theories actually got permabanned instead of this ridiculously stupid "see you in a week" bullshit.

There is absolutely no fucking reason to be lenient on them when it's obvious that they're here purely to stir shit up, not to have an actual discussion.

with such sockpuppets MMO-C would probably no longer exist. They are probably the majority of traffic at this point.

[TrueNeutral]

2+ years later, Ukraine is still winning the war..

Oh wait..

[Edge-]

2+ years later, Ukraine is still winning the war..

Imagine being Russia, invading your tiny neighbor for a 3-day "special operation", and being in the third year of the war having lost an immense amount of armor (and aircraft, and boats), soldiers, been sanctioned to high hell, and senior officials and higher ups at government-connected corporations are still mysteriously falling out of windows and onto polonium laced bullets. It could happen to anyone!

[Elder Millennial]

How curious.

The propaganda spamming Vatnik gets banned and the "enlightened centrist" Vatnik shows up with more propaganda.

Interesting.

[Odinfrost]

2+ years later, Ukraine is still winning the war..

Oh wait..

Hey, remember how Russia literally made a law that prevented able-bodied men to leave the country after hundreds of thousands had already left? Ain't that a funny thing? Shouldn't they gladly accept those millitary boots since they're oh so clearly winning?

Fuck off with this asspulling!

[Benggaul]

How curious.

The propaganda spamming Vatnik gets banned and the "enlightened centrist" Vatnik shows up with more propaganda.

Interesting.

The fact that obvious ban-evading alt accounts aren't immediately permabanned is yet another in a long list of glaring shortcomings of this forum. "Oh look, another low-post account that only pops up to spread propaganda--oh well I'm sure it's nothing..."

[AntiFascistVoter]

The fact that obvious ban-evading alt accounts aren't immediately permabanned is yet another in a long list of glaring shortcomings of this forum. "Oh look, another low-post account that only pops up to spread propaganda--oh well I'm sure it's nothing..."

Simplist answer might be NYT Magic Find mods/owners are rooting for the fascists.

[Deus Mortis]

The fact that obvious ban-evading alt accounts aren't immediately permabanned is yet another in a long list of glaring shortcomings of this forum. "Oh look, another low-post account that only pops up to spread propaganda--oh well I'm sure it's nothing..."

I find it funny how bad the crop of them are at it. Like did they order them from wish or temu. Shalcker at least put in a minimal amount of effort into his propaganda.

[Saradain]

Goodbye Piggy, welcome back "neutral". There must always be...propaganda drivel. Just didn't know one can order the trolls with an intensity level.

[ghotihook]

Goodbye Piggy, welcome back "neutral". There must always be...propaganda drivel. Just didn't know one can order the trolls with an intensity level.

That fact that someone can be "banned" 10 times and not be permabanned blows my mind.

[Saradain]

That fact that someone can be "banned" 10 times and not be permabanned blows my mind.

Easy to manipulate infraction system when you got multiple accounts and can just behave until X amount of infractions expire so you're not getting longer ban/perma'd. Would imagine perma would require a Global mod intervention...But ah. All we can do is to report posts and counter misinformation.

[Belize]

Simplist answer might be NYT Magic Find mods/owners are rooting for the fascists.

Counterpoint.

Inflammatory propagandist drive clicks and engagement for advertisements.

[Karreck]

That fact that someone can be "banned" 10 times and not be permabanned blows my mind.

Site traffic and ad revenue matters more I guess.

[Gabriel]

I find it funny how bad the crop of them are at it. Like did they order them from wish or temu. Shalcker at least put in a minimal amount of effort into his propaganda.

Shacker is a legit sociopath tho.