Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

Until that happens, Ukraine will continue to be a money black hole for Western funds because Pootie can just spend an unlimited number of conscripts both Russian as well as North Korean and Pakistani, while Ukraine only has its own soldiers.

Money black hole? The US is paying pennies on the dollar to basically hamstring Russia on the global stage, all without risking a single American life. It's probably the best use of projected military money the US has spent in decades.

That's not to say that the US and other countries shouldn't be sending more aid, more quickly, and with fewer Russia-supporting morons intervening. But the blow that Russia has taken to its standing as a supposed "superpower" and the stability of its future has been well worth the funding to Ukraine.

[Karreck]

That's not survival of the fittest. That's survival of the sociopath.

Exactly. Human survival depends on community, so the "fittest" is the person that plays well with others to accomplish mutual goals.

[Iphie]

Tu-22 crashes according to interfax

And who had NATO expansion into the southern Hemisphere on their bingo card?

Argentina want to join NATO as a Global partner. But I've seen some reporting that they want to join as a full member. (Which I think can't happen dues to NATO statutes)

[Corvus]

It's 30 years since the last tu22 was built so it can't be replaced. Given how far it was from Ukraine, it was either maintenance issues or russia shooting down another of their own planes.

[Masark]

Given how far it was from Ukraine, it was either maintenance issues or russia shooting down another of their own planes.

Pilot incompetence is another highly plausible option.

[Iphie]

It's 30 years since the last tu22 was built so it can't be replaced. Given how far it was from Ukraine, it was either maintenance issues or russia shooting down another of their own planes.

Ukraine claims it was them who took down the bomber.

https://kyivindependent.com/air-forc...or-first-time/

[Elder Millennial]

Tu-22 crashes according to interfax

And who had NATO expansion into the southern Hemisphere on their bingo card?

Argentina want to join NATO as a Global partner. But I've seen some reporting that they want to join as a full member. (Which I think can't happen dues to NATO statutes)

I mean... "North Atlantic Treaty Organization".

Allowing Argentina in would need some serious rewriting of statutes...but...it would also open up a whole new set of options...like Australia, South Korea and Japan.

Which would absolutely give the Chinese a mental breakdown.

[Specialka]

I mean... "North Atlantic Treaty Organization".

Allowing Argentina in would need some serious rewriting of statues...but...it would also open up a whole new set of options...like Australia, South Korea and Japan.

Which would absolutely give the Chinese a mental breakdown.

While adding more "tension" globally. Would really be a glorious move to do now.

[Jessicka]

While adding more "tension" globally. Would really be a glorious move to do now.

America and other NATO states already have defence pacts with Japan and South Korea. The ones that don’t would lack the force projection to be able to honour them anyway.

[Elder Millennial]

America and other NATO states already have defence pacts with Japan and South Korea. The ones that don’t would lack the force projection to be able to honour them anyway.

People tend to think of geopolitical distances on a flat plane as on a map.

That's not quite how it works. The Arctic Ocean is and will be the oceanic battlefield of the 21st century. Both the Russians and the Chinese have been investing heavily in both ships capable of sailing it, icebreakers etc and submarines capable of launching ICBMs from it. Scandinavia is very relevant to that region.

On a side note to that...It's FUCKING TIME to "renegotiate" the Svalbard Treaty and kick the Russians off of those islands, followed by putting a massive fucking NATO naval/air base on them.

Then there's increased technology sharing, cross training etc.

[zealo]

I mean... "North Atlantic Treaty Organization".

Allowing Argentina in would need some serious rewriting of statues...but...it would also open up a whole new set of options...like Australia, South Korea and Japan.

Which would absolutely give the Chinese a mental breakdown.

Argentina won't be joining NATO as a full member anyway, becoming a "global partner" is basically just them signalling they won't be actively siding with China or Russia.

[Jessicka]

People tend to think of geopolitical distances on a flat plane as on a map.

That's not quite how it works. The Arctic Ocean is and will be the oceanic battlefield of the 21st century. Both the Russians and the Chinese have been investing heavily in both ships capable of sailing it, icebreakers etc and submarines capable of launching ICBMs from it. Scandinavia is very relevant to that region.

On a side note to that...It's FUCKING TIME to "renegotiate" the Svalbard Treaty and kick the Russians off of those islands, followed by putting a massive fucking NATO naval/air base on them.

Then there's increased technology sharing, cross training etc.

Of course, all those countries (several of which are landlocked) worried about a ground invasion in Eastern and Southern Europe, and have primed their militaries accordingly, could just go over the arctic.

[Elder Millennial]

Of course, all those countries (several of which are landlocked) worried about a ground invasion in Eastern and Southern Europe, and have primed their militaries accordingly, could just go over the arctic.

I was about to write an "essay" explaining how defense blocks work, what a flank is, what logistics are, but then I realized I'd be wasting my time. So I'll just sum it up as such.

Just because fucking Czechia is nowhere near the fucking Article Circle its membership in NATO is not irrelevant to that theater just as Spain or France's membership to NATO is not irrelevant to Eastern Europe despite the fact that neither of those countries is anywhere fucking near Suwalki Gap.

[Jessicka]

I was about to write an "essay" explaining how defense blocks work, what a flank is, what logistics are, but then I realized I'd be wasting my time. So I'll just sum it up as such.

Just because fucking Czechia is nowhere near the fucking Article Circle its membership in NATO is not irrelevant to that theater just as Spain or France's membership to NATO is not irrelevant to Eastern Europe despite the fact that neither of those countries is anywhere fucking near Suwalki Gap.

It is, because it means spending money on military logistics and training. Money that is very much finite and better off focused where it's most likely needed. This is why Britain buys planes and ships, and Poland and Germany buy tanks, just as an example.

[Elder Millennial]

It is, because it means spending money on military logistics and training. Money that is very much finite and better off focused where it's most likely needed. This is why Britain buys planes and ships, and Poland and Germany buy tanks, just as an example.

Lord give me patience.

[Jessicka]

Lord give me patience.

Right so the US is going to fly Polish tank divisions halfway around the world for them? Got it.

Nothing to do with NATO being set up and its members focusing their spending to their geographical advantages as a strategic defensive alliance.

[Iphie]

Right so the US is going to fly Polish tank divisions halfway around the world for them? Got it.

Nothing to do with NATO being set up and its members focusing their spending to their geographical advantages as a strategic defensive alliance.

If that were true then western Europe should be focussing on asymmetric warfare, electronic warfare, etc. while east Europe should be tanks, armoured vehicles and artillery. We know this is not how it works

[zealo]

The US House just now passed that long overdue aid package to Ukraine, US munitions deliveries ought to be resuming soon with that hurdle over.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...ge-2024-04-20/

WASHINGTON, April 20 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Saturday with broad bipartisan support passed a $95 billion legislative package providing security assistance to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, over bitter objections from Republican hardliners.

The legislation now proceeds to the Democratic-majority Senate, which passed a similar measure more than two months ago. U.S. leaders from Democratic President Joe Biden to top Senate Republican Mitch McConnell have been urging embattled Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson to bring it up for a vote.

The Senate is expected to pass the measure next week, sending it to Biden to sign into law.

[Karreck]

The US House just now passed that long overdue aid package to Ukraine, US munitions deliveries ought to be resuming soon with that hurdle over.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...ge-2024-04-20/

Good. About time.

[Resurgo]

and Ukraine has now claimed a Russian Backfire...
https://www.businessinsider.com/ever...r-plane-2024-4