Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Makabreska]

They could and they will be.

I mean, it took Poland 10y of meeting all the requirements to finally enter NATO, and Ukraine was much more riddled by rampant corruption.

[NED funded]

They could and they will be.

Ukraine doesnt and have not had terrirorial integrity since b4 Crimea when they leased the port to Russia. Russia has no reasons to imvade Ukraine

[Gorsameth]

yeah Ukraine was decades away from joining. But it wasn't about NATO specifically, Ukraine's 'sin' was moving away from Russia. The timeline to when that move would complete isn't relevant. Even considering leaving Russia's shadow is unacceptable to Russia and that is why Ukraine had to be invaded.

That is what happens when there is no benefit to being your ally. Russia provides those in its sphere of influence with nothing, so all it can do when a country wants to leave for a more prosperous alliance (be it Western or Chinese) is threaten and intimidate.

[Elder Millennial]

I don't see why Russia cannot keep occupying Crimea, which it has occupied for a decade now or part of Eastern Ukraine.
And I do think that for Russia Single Market membership was, or at least should have been, a bigger red flag than NATO. A Ukraine that becomes part of the Single Market is a Ukraine completely out of Russian economic influence were all their interests will play second fiddle to those of other EU members.

Russia is claiming 4 entire oblasts beyond Crimea. Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaphorihzhi. It actually controls less than half of the territories of those Oblasts and it has absolutely no chance to claim cities like Kherson.

[diller]

I mean, it took Poland 10y of meeting all the requirements to finally enter NATO, and Ukraine was much more riddled by rampant corruption.

I completely agree, but they were already in talks with the Eu and was told to do something about the corruption and other things, they did start that and then the war happened, so they were on the path.

But yes it will take a while, I never claimed it wouldn't.

[Saradain]

Ukraine doesnt and have not had terrirorial integrity since b4 Crimea when they leased the port to Russia. Russia has no reasons to imvade Ukraine

The hell you on about? Yeah I guess you could be right, they had no right or justifiable reasons to invade, they still did...And now hopefully will pay a price that shatters their nation. Here's hoping at least.

[Lahis]

And if they decide that gives them the right to restart hostilities with Ukraine, fair enough. But then they'll be fighting the whole of NATO.

Well no, they won't. Hungary and Turkey can postpone their application indefinetly, stopping them from becoming a NATO member before Russia attacks again.

[YUPPIE]

And now hopefully will pay a price that shatters their nation. Here's hoping at least.

It's just wishful thinking since one of the reasons Putin felt emboldened to start this war was being assured no one really do anything meaningful to Russia. Or at least, anything insurmountable.

Judging from the fact Russia's economy still hasn't collapsed in 2024 from all the "sanctions" and Russia still waging this war efficiently despite all the casualties, maybe there is truth in that assertion.

[Saradain]

It's just wishful thinking since one of the reasons Putin felt emboldened to start this war was being assured no one really do anything meaningful to Russia. Or at least, anything insurmountable.

Judging from the fact Russia's economy still hasn't collapsed in 2024 from all the "sanctions" and Russia still waging this war efficiently despite all the casualties, maybe there is truth in that assertion.

You're free to believe in your beliefs, no force in the world can resurrect dead orks and demographics pyramid is a fun thing to look at in 50+ years. And no miracle is gonna get Russia back to play with the adults in economic terms. And borders closed from Russia as long as Ukraine's land remains occupied (with Crimea now part of the package)...Yeah, if you wanted Soviet Union with worse economy, quality of life and purges of ethnic minorities, you got it.

Nothing insurmountable yeah, Ukraine signing defense-related deals with multiple countries, getting ever increasing amounts of support both diplomatically and war effort goods, becoming more and more able to strike even deeper in Russia and Crimea alike...

If you thought the war is over already or very soon, you couldn't be more wrong. Unless of course, Ukraine can blitzkrieg all the land this year somehow, but thats the positive end result.

[Makabreska]

Well no, they won't. Hungary and Turkey can postpone their application indefinetly, stopping them from becoming a NATO member before Russia attacks again.

Just like they pretended to stop Sweden and Finland access, before they got something in return?

[NED funded]

Russia is burning the house to warm during winter. Their economy is doing fine now but it wont get better, if anything bc of the loss of life and generally what was spent during the war

[Gorsameth]

Just like they pretended to stop Sweden and Finland access, before they got something in return?

Russia's naked aggression put a lot more impetus behind the desire to accept Sweden and Finland which resulted in more push back for Hungary and Turkey blocking them.

If Russia isn't invading neighbours for daring to look towards another sphere of influence I think blocking Ukraine almost indefinitely is a lot more viable.

[YUPPIE]

Their economy is doing fine now

their goal right now is to keep this "fine" status quo and conquer Ukraine inevitably. It should not be "fine" several years in now, but I suspect the US is manipulating the flow of the war to ensure Russia does not face a societal collapse, as that would have horrific consequences since Russia is the largest country in the world.

[Fantomen]

Judging from the fact Russia's economy still hasn't collapsed in 2024 from all the "sanctions" and Russia still waging this war efficiently despite all the casualties, maybe there is truth in that assertion.

Is it relay a effective war? Russia is barley capable of replacement the losses (or they are in a deficit) Because they do not did grow stronger in a meaningful way. If they DID grow stronger in a meaningful, Russia can attack from the north or east, and pressure Ukraine even more.

[Lahis]

their goal right now is to keep this "fine" status quo and conquer Ukraine inevitably. It should not be "fine" several years in now, but I suspect the US is manipulating the flow of the war to ensure Russia does not face a societal collapse, as that would have horrific consequences since Russia is the largest country in the world.

Russia is only big in land area. They have only 144 million citizens, which is pitiful for the area they cover.

[Benggaul]

Russia is only big in land area. They have only 144 million citizens, which is pitiful for the area they cover.

And roughly 10% of those people live in Moscow and 3/4 of their population are concentrated west of the Ural mountains (the region north of the Caspian Sea, I think). Which is another reason the "OMG NOOKS" shit some people like to throw around in here doesn't fly. So much of their population is concentrated in such a small region of Russia it wouldn't take more than a handful to immediately cut their population in half. One successful shot to Moscow literally decimates them. It's not the type of fight they're going to start.

[Gabriel]

And roughly 10% of those people live in Moscow and 3/4 of their population are concentrated west of the Ural mountains (the region north of the Caspian Sea, I think). Which is another reason the "OMG NOOKS" shit some people like to throw around in here doesn't fly. So much of their population is concentrated in such a small region of Russia it wouldn't take more than a handful to immediately cut their population in half. One successful shot to Moscow literally decimates them. It's not the type of fight they're going to start.

I see what you did there.

[TrueNeutral]

Who is saying that?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersu...h=2d7445534008
https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-is-winning/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...e-kyiv/629514/

If Ukraine is winning and Russia is running out of ammunition and missiles, why does the US need to provide Patriot missiles to Ukraine?

[YUPPIE]

It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons mainly, rather it has to do with the refugees that would spill out of Russia.

And given the overwhelmingly negative response to the Palestinian refugee crisis now, it is not in anyone's interest for swathes of Russians to look for somewhere else to live.

[Dontrike]

It's just wishful thinking since one of the reasons Putin felt emboldened to start this war was being assured no one really do anything meaningful to Russia. Or at least, anything insurmountable.

Judging from the fact Russia's economy still hasn't collapsed in 2024 from all the "sanctions" and Russia still waging this war efficiently despite all the casualties, maybe there is truth in that assertion.

Russia's economy is "fine" in that it's being held up by one thing, this war. If that war ends for any reasons the shift back to a normal one will cause issues. If they win they've lost, what is essentially, an entire generation of people and if they lose this war economy will not be able to do anything for them.

Russia is not winning this one even if they "succeed."

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersu...h=2d7445534008
https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-is-winning/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...e-kyiv/629514/

If Ukraine is winning and Russia is running out of ammunition and missiles, why does the US need to provide Patriot missiles to Ukraine?

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Do they at least pay you well at the bot farm or are you stupidly doing this for "exposure" in the hopes to be the next person to spit Putin's lies on tv?