1. #38361
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    It's just wishful thinking since one of the reasons Putin felt emboldened to start this war was being assured no one really do anything meaningful to Russia. Or at least, anything insurmountable.

    Judging from the fact Russia's economy still hasn't collapsed in 2024 from all the "sanctions" and Russia still waging this war efficiently despite all the casualties, maybe there is truth in that assertion.
    You're free to believe in your beliefs, no force in the world can resurrect dead orks and demographics pyramid is a fun thing to look at in 50+ years. And no miracle is gonna get Russia back to play with the adults in economic terms. And borders closed from Russia as long as Ukraine's land remains occupied (with Crimea now part of the package)...Yeah, if you wanted Soviet Union with worse economy, quality of life and purges of ethnic minorities, you got it.

    Nothing insurmountable yeah, Ukraine signing defense-related deals with multiple countries, getting ever increasing amounts of support both diplomatically and war effort goods, becoming more and more able to strike even deeper in Russia and Crimea alike...

    If you thought the war is over already or very soon, you couldn't be more wrong. Unless of course, Ukraine can blitzkrieg all the land this year somehow, but thats the positive end result.

  2. #38362
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Well no, they won't. Hungary and Turkey can postpone their application indefinetly, stopping them from becoming a NATO member before Russia attacks again.
    Just like they pretended to stop Sweden and Finland access, before they got something in return?
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  3. #38363
    Russia is burning the house to warm during winter. Their economy is doing fine now but it wont get better, if anything bc of the loss of life and generally what was spent during the war

  4. #38364
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Just like they pretended to stop Sweden and Finland access, before they got something in return?
    Russia's naked aggression put a lot more impetus behind the desire to accept Sweden and Finland which resulted in more push back for Hungary and Turkey blocking them.

    If Russia isn't invading neighbours for daring to look towards another sphere of influence I think blocking Ukraine almost indefinitely is a lot more viable.
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  5. #38365
    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Their economy is doing fine now
    their goal right now is to keep this "fine" status quo and conquer Ukraine inevitably. It should not be "fine" several years in now, but I suspect the US is manipulating the flow of the war to ensure Russia does not face a societal collapse, as that would have horrific consequences since Russia is the largest country in the world.
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  6. #38366
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Judging from the fact Russia's economy still hasn't collapsed in 2024 from all the "sanctions" and Russia still waging this war efficiently despite all the casualties, maybe there is truth in that assertion.
    Is it relay a effective war? Russia is barley capable of replacement the losses (or they are in a deficit) Because they do not did grow stronger in a meaningful way. If they DID grow stronger in a meaningful, Russia can attack from the north or east, and pressure Ukraine even more.

  7. #38367
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    their goal right now is to keep this "fine" status quo and conquer Ukraine inevitably. It should not be "fine" several years in now, but I suspect the US is manipulating the flow of the war to ensure Russia does not face a societal collapse, as that would have horrific consequences since Russia is the largest country in the world.
    Russia is only big in land area. They have only 144 million citizens, which is pitiful for the area they cover.

  8. #38368
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Russia is only big in land area. They have only 144 million citizens, which is pitiful for the area they cover.
    And roughly 10% of those people live in Moscow and 3/4 of their population are concentrated west of the Ural mountains (the region north of the Caspian Sea, I think). Which is another reason the "OMG NOOKS" shit some people like to throw around in here doesn't fly. So much of their population is concentrated in such a small region of Russia it wouldn't take more than a handful to immediately cut their population in half. One successful shot to Moscow literally decimates them. It's not the type of fight they're going to start.

  9. #38369
    Quote Originally Posted by Benggaul View Post
    And roughly 10% of those people live in Moscow and 3/4 of their population are concentrated west of the Ural mountains (the region north of the Caspian Sea, I think). Which is another reason the "OMG NOOKS" shit some people like to throw around in here doesn't fly. So much of their population is concentrated in such a small region of Russia it wouldn't take more than a handful to immediately cut their population in half. One successful shot to Moscow literally decimates them. It's not the type of fight they're going to start.
    I see what you did there.

  10. #38370
    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    Who is saying that?
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersu...h=2d7445534008
    https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-is-winning/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...e-kyiv/629514/

    If Ukraine is winning and Russia is running out of ammunition and missiles, why does the US need to provide Patriot missiles to Ukraine?



    Last edited by TrueNeutral; 2024-04-28 at 04:34 AM.

  11. #38371
    It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons mainly, rather it has to do with the refugees that would spill out of Russia.

    And given the overwhelmingly negative response to the Palestinian refugee crisis now, it is not in anyone's interest for swathes of Russians to look for somewhere else to live.
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  12. #38372
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    It's just wishful thinking since one of the reasons Putin felt emboldened to start this war was being assured no one really do anything meaningful to Russia. Or at least, anything insurmountable.

    Judging from the fact Russia's economy still hasn't collapsed in 2024 from all the "sanctions" and Russia still waging this war efficiently despite all the casualties, maybe there is truth in that assertion.
    Russia's economy is "fine" in that it's being held up by one thing, this war. If that war ends for any reasons the shift back to a normal one will cause issues. If they win they've lost, what is essentially, an entire generation of people and if they lose this war economy will not be able to do anything for them.

    Russia is not winning this one even if they "succeed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersu...h=2d7445534008
    https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-is-winning/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...e-kyiv/629514/

    If Ukraine is winning and Russia is running out of ammunition and missiles, why does the US need to provide Patriot missiles to Ukraine?

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  13. #38373
    Ukraine is a big country and air defences are fairly short range so you would need a lot of them to cover everywhere vital.

  14. #38374
    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Russia is only big in land area. They have only 144 million citizens, which is pitiful for the area they cover.
    Just to add to this for comparison. The island of Java in Indonesia has a greater population than Russia and is smaller than Great Britain in size.

  15. #38375
    Russia probably never had 144 million anyway. They lie about everything and I doubt population numbers are any different.

    Of course since then you've had a million having fled the country as well as a few hundred thousand being killed.

  16. #38376
    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersu...h=2d7445534008
    https://cepa.org/article/ukraine-is-winning/
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...e-kyiv/629514/

    If Ukraine is winning and Russia is running out of ammunition and missiles, why does the US need to provide Patriot missiles to Ukraine?



    I think its hilarious that you try to mock zelenski as a crybaby with a pic where he looks like a terminator badass

  17. #38377
    Quote Originally Posted by Veggie50 View Post
    I think its hilarious that you try to mock zelenski as a crybaby with a pic where he looks like a terminator badass
    But he is a crybaby. A terrible leader who caused the deaths of many of citizens hiding behind a failing macho image constructed by his PR people.
    Clownlensky is probably the worst president in Ukraine's history. He was naïve enough not to see what happens when you poke the bear. His biggest mistake? Not being pragmatic and building bridges with Russia (that's what you should do when you have a neighbor like Russia and you're not in any military alliance), and trusting the world's number one troublemaker and warmonger, America.

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  18. #38378
    Maybe one day this forum will have actual moderation instead of whatever the fuck allows obvious ban-evading Russian propaganda accounts to pop up whenever their laughable temporary bans are up.

    Until then, fuck every one of these low-effort trolls. Report them, ignore them and hope one day they outlive their usefulness in the troll farm and get sent to the front.

  19. #38379
    Meanwhile crybaby pootie is desperately begging places like Iran and North Korea for help.

  20. #38380
    Quote Originally Posted by TrueNeutral View Post
    But he is a crybaby.
    All the while Putin needs multiple countries to help what was supposedly the 2nd strongest country in the world. Guess Russia isn't all that strong, poor Ruzzki.

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