Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

Yes, but Hawaii is outside of the area defined in art. 6, which governs WHERE art. 5 is applicable:



https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/t...lly%20attacked.

If China is bold enough to project a force to attack US soil, article 5 definitions aside, the rest of the world is gonna realize pretty damn quick this ain’t child’s play. And as such I’d imagine the US global allies would fall into support of the United States pretty damn fast, technicalities in treaties be damned.

[Iphie]

If China is bold enough to project a force to attack US soil, article 5 definitions aside, the rest of the world is gonna realize pretty damn quick this ain’t child’s play. And as such I’d imagine the US global allies would fall into support of the United States pretty damn fast, technicalities in treaties be damned.

Yes, it's a bit moot since I have no doubt NATO would join the fray but technically NATO countries CAN say: "Nope", without abandoning the alliance in that situation.

[Elegiac]

Not to interrupt the irrelevant discussion of an invasion of Taiwan that isn’t going to happen, but I would suggest examining exactly why both the Putin shill and the IDF apologist are advocating for a more belligerent stance towards China because in neither case is it related to the PRC’s actual threat value.

[Xyonai]

Not to interrupt the irrelevant discussion of an invasion of Taiwan that isn’t going to happen, but I would suggest examining exactly why both the Putin shill and the IDF apologist are advocating for a more belligerent stance towards China because in neither case is it related to the PRC’s actual threat value.

This discussion kind of overshadowed the entire Kharkev back and forth that happened over the weekend, which seems to have stalled out now that Ukraine's gotten more ammunition.

Or the attack on the Crimean Air Field that Russia retaliated to by... *Checks notes* Bombing Civilians, again.

[Gaidax]

IDF "apologist" - guilty as charged.

Putin shill? Now that's one hallucination too far. Me not subscribing to all the rosy hopes and wishes voiced by ignorant people does not make me that, especially given my Ukrainian heritage.

We talked about China's relationship with Russia given the recent visit of Putin there and we naturally discussed possible future events in the context of China-Russia collaboration.

There isn't much else to discuss at the moment given mostly things are stalemate-ish at the moment, while that was news.

[unfilteredJW]

IDF "apologist" - guilty as charged.

Putin shill? Now that's one hallucination too far. Me not subscribing to all the rosy hopes and wishes voiced by ignorant people does not make me that, especially given my Ukrainian heritage.

We talked about China's relationship with Russia given the recent visit of Putin there and we naturally discussed possible future events in the context of China-Russia collaboration.

There isn't much else to discuss at the moment given mostly things are stalemate-ish at the moment, while that was news.

Imagine being so arrogant, so burdened by your moral failings, that your reading comprehension just stops working.

[Benggaul]

IDF "apologist" - guilty as charged.

Putin shill? Now that's one hallucination too far.

Unsurprising that you're both:

1) Still cheerleading the IDF's genocide of Palestinians and,
2) Such a narcissist you think they were speaking exclusively about you.

Hint: When "are" is used in this context it indicates more than one subject.

Carly Simon probably felt the inexplicable urge to roll her eyes.

[Jastall]

IDF "apologist" - guilty as charged.

Putin shill? Now that's one hallucination too far. Me not subscribing to all the rosy hopes and wishes voiced by ignorant people does not make me that, especially given my Ukrainian heritage.

We talked about China's relationship with Russia given the recent visit of Putin there and we naturally discussed possible future events in the context of China-Russia collaboration.

There isn't much else to discuss at the moment given mostly things are stalemate-ish at the moment, while that was news.

I don't think Elegiac was talking about you, given that they said both the Putin shill and IDF apologist. And there's been a bunch of Putin shills, even if some try and fail to hide as true neutral parties.

[Mayhem]

Putin shill? Now that's one hallucination too far. Me not subscribing to all the rosy hopes and wishes voiced by ignorant people does not make me that, especially given my Ukrainian heritage.

So why the fuck are you suggesting something that helps Putin in the short and long run?

[Gaidax]

So why the fuck are you suggesting something that helps Putin in the short and long run?

Because it helps Ukrainians even more so, as I plenty explained.

As I said, you can supply ammo and weapons, you can't really supply soldiers that die, get disabled or worn out. The biggest problem of Ukraine is that Russia can simply bury them under the corpses of disposable meat, they outsource from all over the place - so at best it ends up being a stalemate anyway.

It's literally the reality in front of your face every other decent Western analytic points out. Soldiers are the biggest problem for Ukraine and time is needed to replenish the losses on that front.

[Mayhem]

Because it helps Ukrainians even more so, as I plenty explained.

You didn't.

As I said, you can supply ammo and weapons, you can't really supply soldiers that die, get disabled or worn out. The biggest problem of Ukraine is that Russia can simply bury them under the corpses of disposable meat, they outsource from all over the place - so at best it ends up being a stalemate anyway.

A stalemate is better than giving up territory and the invaders time to reinforce, replenish, and restock. You never explained how lifting sanctions is a positive for Ukraine and a negative for Russia.

It's literally the reality in front of your face every other decent Western analytic points out. Soldiers are the biggest problem for Ukraine and time is needed to replenish the losses on that front.

Yeah, but you never explained how this much-needed supply of soldiers doesn't go both ways. Russia also will come up with more disposable meat and the best part is they are motivated because they already succeeded partially while Ukraine just suffered losses and managed to get a not lasting peace.

Because if they end this now territories are lost, they are then part of Russia, not part of Ukraine, not occupied, they become part of Russia. The only way for this to work in the way you think it could would be if Russia asked for an end, not if Ukraine asks to end this.

If Russia is allowed to make demands it means Ukraine loses short-term and long-term.

[Gaidax]

A stalemate is better than giving up territory and the invaders time to reinforce, replenish, and restock. You never explained how lifting sanctions is a positive for Ukraine and a negative for Russia.

Where did I ever said/wrote that there should be any lifting of sanctions or that I am supporting such? You sure you reply to correct person?

Yeah, but you never explained how this much-needed supply of soldiers doesn't go both ways. Russia also will come up with more disposable meat and the best part is they are motivated because they already succeeded partially while Ukraine just suffered losses and managed to get a not lasting peace.

Because if they end this now territories are lost, they are then part of Russia, not part of Ukraine, not occupied, they become part of Russia. The only way for this to work in the way you think it could would be if Russia asked for an end, not if Ukraine asks to end this.

If Russia is allowed to make demands it means Ukraine loses short-term and long-term.

The need for Ukraine is much greater AND the delay of 2-3 years would allow Ukraine to maybe finally get functioning air force and more air defenses to better support their soldiers AND their civilians.

What Russia is allowed or not allowed will be decided by the negotiations, I said multiple times - I do not expect any such agreement to last more than couple of years at best anyway. But it might just be enough for Ukraine to get reinforced with people, weapons and more importantly air force.

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So pray tell, how is this Putin shilling? You don't like or disagree with my opinion, does not suddenly make me some Kremlin agent. A notion that is fucking ridiculous giving I was born in Ukraine and now living in Israel and both these countries have beef with Russia and their pals at the moment.

[Mayhem]

Where did I ever said/wrote that there should be any lifting of sanctions or that I am supporting such? You sure you reply to correct person?

On what basis would the sanctions continue if there was peace between Russia and Ukraine?

The need for Ukraine is much greater AND the delay of 2-3 years would allow Ukraine to maybe finally get functioning air force and more air defenses to better support their soldiers AND their civilians.

What Russia is allowed or not allowed will be decided by the negotiations, I said multiple times - I do not expect any such agreement to last more than couple of years at best anyway. But it might just be enough for Ukraine to get reinforced with people, weapons and more importantly air force.

Why would Russia agree to this? If the West dictates what Ukraine has to do as you more or less predict why would Russia accept anything but the best for them?

So pray tell, how is this Putin shilling? You don't like or disagree with my opinion, does not suddenly make me some Kremlin agent. A notion that is fucking ridiculous giving I was born in Ukraine and now living in Israel and both these countries have beef with Russia and their pals at the moment.

I have no idea how you came to the brilliant conclusion that Russia would accept peace without lifting sanctions giving Ukraine the much-needed breathing room (as you say) without getting anything out of it. For Russia to accept this it must get something in return.

You're pretty inconsistent in your views and arguments so it's easy to mistake you for a Putin shill, I mean you're even using the Russian rhetoric of the NATO threat. It is Putin shilling because it helps Russia keep what they occupied/conquered and rebuild their Army, while Ukraine has to explain the loss of territory and rebuild their army for an inevitable attack by Russia.

Pray tell how do you sell that to your countrymen in a positive way?

[Elegiac]

So why the fuck are you suggesting something that helps Putin in the short and long run?

1) More money and materiel for Israel.
2) Freeing up Russia’s attention so they can start proxy conflicts in the Levant that Israel can exploit.

Nothing more complicated to it, really. Just naked ethnonationalism. Lol.

[Shadowferal]

Russia Accidentally Bombs Its Own Villages – For The 39th Time

[Odinfrost]

Russia Accidentally Bombs Its Own Villages – For The 39th Time

That is what happens when you draft the literal bottom of the barrel.

[Iphie]

That is what happens when you draft the literal bottom of the barrel.

Myeah, I don't think the pilots are the bottom of the barrel. Yeah sure they suck hard but compared to the grunts they're halfway decent.

[Poopymonster]

That is what happens when you draft the literal bottom of the barrel.

They're making good on their "Kill the Nazis" claim.

[Flarelaine]

Huh. Interesting. I didn't realize there was a geographical restriction to where Article 5 applies.

When NATO was founded some founders still had colonial empires. It was declared from the start that whatever happens in these is not NATO business.

[Corvus]

The UK has said intelligence shows that China has or is in the process of providing russia with lethal aid for its war.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk-def...ia-2024-05-22/