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    pootin, yet again, ready for cease fire

    Now I don't think much will come from this, other than "cry, why Ukraine no negotiate, cry!" (From russia of course), but Reuters reporting on it at least gives an indication that it's not pulled out of someone's ass.
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    Drone video footage of an s400 battery trying to defend itself against ATACMs.

    https://x.com/ukraine_map/status/1793897701194502337

    Not bad for a 1980s rocket going up against the 'world's best' air defence system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    pootin, yet again, ready for cease fire

    Now I don't think much will come from this, other than "cry, why Ukraine no negotiate, cry!" (From russia of course), but Reuters reporting on it at least gives an indication that it's not pulled out of someone's ass.
    Eh, it's just a repeat of the russian tactics to try and blame the west fir there being no peace even though they have no desire for it themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    pootin, yet again, ready for cease fire

    Now I don't think much will come from this, other than "cry, why Ukraine no negotiate, cry!" (From russia of course), but Reuters reporting on it at least gives an indication that it's not pulled out of someone's ass.
    Cease fire for what? There's no war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Cease fire for what? There's no war.
    Clearly you missed the memo

    Summary: they said "state of war". Interpret as needed by both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Drone video footage of an s400 battery trying to defend itself against ATACMs.

    https://x.com/ukraine_map/status/1793897701194502337

    Not bad for a 1980s rocket going up against the 'world's best' air defence system.
    It continues to amuse me we see these mildly produced videos with Euro hardstyle (or whatever subgenre) beats pumping over war footage. Absolute wild time to be alive, and glad to see more Russian hardware losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zorkuus View Post
    Cease fire for what? There's no war.
    I think they are over with that meme, last I heard.

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    Loving all the hits on air defense the past month, should hopefully provide more safety for the f16's to launch whatever we give them(hope we give them a lot of missiles that will wreck Russian armor/equipment). It is also looking more and more like America will soon allow strikes into Russia with our weapons, as there is some Republicans putting pressure on Blinken to allow it. With even Johnson saying Ukraine should be able to attack what it wants.

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    Even Blinken is pushing for it. The hold up seems to be Sullivan and Biden.

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    It's absurd that people thought Ukraine will win or even long-term survive with 2 arms bound behind it's back.
    I think the Western leaders got scared of an apparent quick win but pulled too tight on the restrictions and the current state is the result.

    Ukrainians tend to not show when they are hurt and Westerners didn't take that into account, so they bound Ukraine's arms when one of their feet were damaged already.

    Okay, no more anatomy analogies...
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    Ukraine reports half a million russian casualties.

    That's a lot

    Even if it's over reported that's still a lot of piggies removed from play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidism View Post
    It's absurd that people thought Ukraine will win or even long-term survive with 2 arms bound behind it's back.
    I think the Western leaders got scared of an apparent quick win but pulled too tight on the restrictions and the current state is the result.

    Ukrainians tend to not show when they are hurt and Westerners didn't take that into account, so they bound Ukraine's arms when one of their feet were damaged already.

    Okay, no more anatomy analogies...
    There was a lot of concern in Europe that Russia might have been able to escalate and expand the conflict, I think that seems to have faded now and European suppliers have largely said Ukraine can do what it wants with their stuff.

    The opposition in the US seems to come from your typical Russian funded grifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    pootin, yet again, ready for cease fire

    Now I don't think much will come from this, other than "cry, why Ukraine no negotiate, cry!" (From russia of course), but Reuters reporting on it at least gives an indication that it's not pulled out of someone's ass.
    Any ceasifire instigated by Russia will just be a moment for them to regroup, restock and re-engage. They still haven't met their goals for this war and I don't think they will actually stop untill they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Ukraine reports half a million russian casualties.

    That's a lot

    Even if it's over reported that's still a lot of piggies removed from play.
    We can only hope that is accurate and not whole lotta of copium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Ukraine reports half a million russian casualties.

    That's a lot

    Even if it's over reported that's still a lot of piggies removed from play.
    The aid we have sent so far is tax money well spent. The less hostile of a future russia has, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidism View Post
    The aid we have sent so far is tax money well spent. The less hostile of a future russia has, the better.
    Lots of weapons testing, even older stuff done.
    Cleared out old stuff, gotta restock that, that's jobs.
    0 of our soldiers being shot for corporate profits.
    This alone should clear the way for more funding for them.
    Well, maybe not the last one. But they are making money from this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    Lots of weapons testing, even older stuff done.
    Cleared out old stuff, gotta restock that, that's jobs.
    0 of our soldiers being shot for corporate profits.
    This alone should clear the way for more funding for them.
    Well, maybe not the last one. But they are making money from this.
    Well, I am making money from not dying in the future due to what could have been shortsightedness today. :P

    If the monetary system collapses due to putin invading all of Europe, everyone here will lose. Not just investors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidism View Post
    Well, I am making money from not dying in the future due to what could have been shortsightedness today. :P

    If the monetary system collapses due to putin invading all of Europe, everyone here will lose. Not just investors!
    Let's maybe get back to the realm of reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Ukraine reports half a million russian casualties.

    That's a lot

    Even if it's over reported that's still a lot of piggies removed from play.
    I think it's as much of a BS as Russian 40 or, so HIMARS launchers destroyed or how many they counted so far.

    The real number is probably less than a third of that, which still is a good job given the circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidism View Post
    Well, I am making money from not dying in the future due to what could have been shortsightedness today. :P

    If the monetary system collapses due to putin invading all of Europe, everyone here will lose. Not just investors!
    How long has Russia been stuck in Ukraine again, with it's kitchen sink approach of throwing literal WW2 era shit at the problem, with a half a million dead Russkies already? And you think it might still have the strength to invade... all of Europe, which would also include US, because NATO? And that Russian economy would outlast the European one?

    Are you under the impression we are in a video game, or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I think it's as much of a BS as Russian 40 or, so HIMARS launchers destroyed or how many they counted so far.

    The real number is probably less than a third of that, which still is a good job given the circumstances.
    Yeah I bet it is around 30-40%. I base this off of what we have confirmed as destroyed/damaged tank wise:
    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html
    Tanks (3054, of which destroyed: 2047, damaged: 156, abandoned: 335, captured: 516)

    Even at those numbers though it is far higher than Russia can replace. Losing 15,945(11,407 confirmed destroyed) vehicles is a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deus Mortis View Post
    Yeah I bet it is around 30-40%. I base this off of what we have confirmed as destroyed/damaged tank wise:
    https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html
    Tanks (3054, of which destroyed: 2047, damaged: 156, abandoned: 335, captured: 516)

    Even at those numbers though it is far higher than Russia can replace. Losing 15,945(11,407 confirmed destroyed) vehicles is a lot.
    Oryx isn't on the ground locally though so they rely on report, and can miss a lot. These numbers are the ones estimated by the Ukrainians who, admittedly, have an interest in overestimating but also a better idea of what they've shot.

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