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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidism View Post
    If the monetary system collapses due to putin invading all of Europe, everyone here will lose. Not just investors!
    Be serious. Russia's not even able to take Ukraine, which didn't even have a strong military at the outset. Pick any one major European nation by themselves and they'd spank the crap out of Russia and it wouldn't even be close, take all of NATO and Russia would no longer exist as a country by the end of it. It would be a protectorate run by NATO until it pulls its head out of its own ass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Be serious. Russia's not even able to take Ukraine, which didn't even have a strong military at the outset. Pick any one major European nation by themselves and they'd spank the crap out of Russia and it wouldn't even be close, take all of NATO and Russia would no longer exist as a country by the end of it. It would be a protectorate run by NATO until it pulls its head out of its own ass.
    Not the netherlands lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Not the netherlands lol.
    I would argue that the Netherlands is only a major country economically speaking...of course with the latest elections I'm ready to burn it down. (Fucking Wilders.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    How long has Russia been stuck in Ukraine again, with it's kitchen sink approach of throwing literal WW2 era shit at the problem, with a half a million dead Russkies already? And you think it might still have the strength to invade... all of Europe, which would also include US, because NATO? And that Russian economy would outlast the European one?

    Are you under the impression we are in a video game, or something?
    I'm unsure what you're disagreeing with here mate.

    Like I said, thanks to our investment in weapons for Ukraine, we are surviving too. An investor should have a self-interest in helping Ukraine because if the monetary system collapses, the rich's money is useless anyways. And yes, the system would collapse if putin decided he can take on Europe due to us not helping Ukraine (showing weakness). putin is not someone who cares about russia in the end. He will do things that might sound absurd and we need to slap him for even considering certain actions.

    Honestly, your post is a bit confusing. What exactly do you disagree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidism View Post
    I'm unsure what you're disagreeing with here mate.

    Like I said, thanks to our investment in weapons for Ukraine, we are surviving too. An investor should have a self-interest in helping Ukraine because if the monetary system collapses, the rich's money is useless anyways. And yes, the system would collapse if putin decided he can take on Europe due to us not helping Ukraine (showing weakness). putin is not someone who cares about russia in the end. He will do things that might sound absurd and we need to slap him for even considering certain actions.

    Honestly, your post is a bit confusing. What exactly do you disagree with?
    For the love of God.

    I can't. I just can't. Quote the other guys like Endus and talk to them. Russia is not the superpower you are making it out to be.
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    Did this fly under the radar?

    I mean should Hungary maybe leave the Alliance and the EU? They're getting to be more trouble then they're worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    I mean should Hungary maybe leave the Alliance and the EU? They're getting to be more trouble then they're worth.
    I wish they would just opt out all together, I'm also sick of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    I wish they would just opt out all together, I'm also sick of them.
    For as long as they get that sweet sweet EU money, they wont.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diller View Post
    I wish they would just opt out all together, I'm also sick of them.
    They get money, they have veto rights. They're not going to leave. Being in both is just too beneficial for them. Hell, even Article 5 (and the EU equivalent) doesn't mean they have to do anything but "Support in their own way." which could mean as little as "Yay go you."

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    In the light of the most recent russian terrorist strike, Sweden has given the go ahead to strike inside russia with weapons it has supplied.

    I wouldn't have picked Sweden to be first, but hopefully it puts more pressure on the footdraggers in the US and Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    In the light of the most recent russian terrorist strike, Sweden has given the go ahead to strike inside russia with weapons it has supplied.

    I wouldn't have picked Sweden to be first, but hopefully it puts more pressure on the footdraggers in the US and Germany.
    Queue the inevitable Russian whining of "Why how come does Ukraine get to attack Russia now? Only we get to attack them! Look at all the innocent Russian people they're putting in jeopardy!"

    Absolute hypocrite crocodile tears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Did this fly under the radar?

    I mean should Hungary maybe leave the Alliance and the EU? They're getting to be more trouble then they're worth.
    This is what happens when you create systems with the assumption that everyone is going to uphold the principles as originally agreed upon and behave with a degree of consistency, principle and honesty.

    Neither the EU nor NATO have clear mechanisms for booting an unruly member. Because when these organization were created nobody thought such mechanisms would be necessary. Just like how in the US our entire electoral system is built on the assumption that everyone involved believes in goofy things like "rule of law", "fair elections", "peaceful transfer of power" without clear mechanisms to deal with people who disregard those things when in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Germany.
    The odds of that are zero. Remember, they still haven't supplied a single Taurus. The Germans do provide massive amounts of aid of all sorts, just don't expect them to be the ones to provide anything first or anything that could be used to REALLY hit the RuZZians where it hurts.

    Really the important party to convince here is the US and the people now providing the F-16s and the ammo for the F-16s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Be serious. Russia's not even able to take Ukraine, which didn't even have a strong military at the outset. Pick any one major European nation by themselves and they'd spank the crap out of Russia and it wouldn't even be close, take all of NATO and Russia would no longer exist as a country by the end of it. It would be a protectorate run by NATO until it pulls its head out of its own ass.
    Ukraine has one of the best armies in the world currently. It's one of two countries that have experience in real modern - high intensity warfare (and not shooting people on horses / camels). Ukraine is also been funneled weapons and intelligence by NATO in amounts that remind world wars.

    There is no European country that can fight the Russians alone and i really doubt that the US could even win such war. Best case scenario would be to mutually get destroyed. Remember that it took 20 years and over 2 trillion USD to replace taliban with taliban I don't think they would win vs someone that can fight back and especially with someone that can attack their cities.

    If you truly believe that Russia is such a pushover why noone has sent troops to Ukraine yet? We are all scared dude, it's that simple. Russia has a million ways to hurt the US, from very simple and fast (just blow up the internet backbone, and see MS / Google / Amazon / etc stocks going 1/20th) to blowing up satellites etc. Noone in their right mind want to fight such war.

    This war is the result of having 0 politicians in the EU and US that are not clowns. Think hard what you'll vote in next Euroelections EU folks. I wont be voting for the current warmongering political party in Greece.
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    Ukraine has hit another very expensive hard to repair early warning radar deep inside russia, this one a record 1800km from Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    There is no European country that can fight the Russians alone and i really doubt that the US could even win such war. Best case scenario would be to mutually get destroyed. Remember that it took 20 years and over 2 trillion USD to replace taliban with taliban I don't think they would win vs someone that can fight back and especially with someone that can attack their cities.
    Lol wut. Are you mental? From a purely hardware perspective, and given what we know now of Russia's effective capacity to wage war based on the absolute shit job they have been doing in their 3 year long "3 day special operation" against the Ukraine, the US could straight up bury Russia if they actually went to "war". Like, it wouldn't even be a pissing match, let alone a contest.

    We've seen what the Ukraine can do just largely in terms of self defence when provided with a handful of US based precision weapons systems. Thousands of Russian vehicles rendered into scrap. What do you imagine the result would be if it's no longer the Ukrainians and a couple of systems, but the US military and literally as many systems as they can spare, with no restrictions on hitting back? The US has enough precision shit they could likely turn every military installation within 1500 miles of Russia's western border into a pile of rubble within a few weeks. I mean, it's not like Russia has the capability to stop them. They can barely keep the Ukrainians from hitting their shit with bargain store suicide drones.

    The USA has so much of a hardware and capability advantage it would be a complete curbstomping. At this point, the only advantage Russia has is just a shitload of bodies to throw into the meatgrinder. Against pretty much any western power, they are completely outclassed in pretty much every regard except brute force manpower to throw away.

    As for why nobody has sent troops to help the Ukraine, well, that's easy: because as awful as it sounds, the political reality is that they don't need to, and it would be political suicide to try to convince the average person from what are nominally "uninvolved" countries to put the lives of their own in peril for what most people are going to see as something that isn't their problem. As has been pointed out several times before: Why get our boys killed, when we can just keep tossing equipment and supplies at the Ukranians and let them do the work and the dying, while still getting what is effectively an amazing return on our "investment" vis-a-vis weakening Russia.

    Is it an absolutely shitty thing to do while the Ukranians are fighting for their literal existence? Absolutely. But that's the shithole that is Global Politics for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    Lol wut. Are you mental? From a purely hardware perspective, and given what we know now of Russia's effective capacity to wage war based on the absolute shit job they have been doing in their 3 year long "3 day special operation" against the Ukraine, the US could straight up bury Russia if they actually went to "war". Like, it wouldn't even be a pissing match, let alone a contest.

    We've seen what the Ukraine can do just largely in terms of self defence when provided with a handful of US based precision weapons systems. Thousands of Russian vehicles rendered into scrap. What do you imagine the result would be if it's no longer the Ukrainians and a couple of systems, but the US military and literally as many systems as they can spare, with no restrictions on hitting back? The US has enough precision shit they could likely turn every military installation within 1500 miles of Russia's western border into a pile of rubble within a few weeks. I mean, it's not like Russia has the capability to stop them. They can barely keep the Ukrainians from hitting their shit with bargain store suicide drones.

    The USA has so much of a hardware and capability advantage it would be a complete curbstomping. At this point, the only advantage Russia has is just a shitload of bodies to throw into the meatgrinder. Against pretty much any western power, they are completely outclassed in pretty much every regard except brute force manpower to throw away.
    You should tell that to the taliban
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    You should tell that to the taliban
    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe4mXnRt/
    To be fair, I think Afghan farmers are a significantly more competent fighting force than Russian turnips these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    You should tell that to the taliban
    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe4mXnRt/
    Oh you mean just like Russia did?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    You should tell that to the taliban
    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe4mXnRt/
    Apples and oranges, my dude. Apples and oranges. The United States wasn't fighting a war against Afghanistan. Or perhaps more accurately, we did, and we won almost immediately, and what happened after that was the United States attempting to occupy Afghanistan without any clear goal or plan of action while constantly dealing with rebels and insurgents who knew how to hide and ambush from within their own country. And then Donald Trump cut a deal with the Taliban to simply let us leave, without including the actual government of Afghanistan in those negotiations.

    A war with Russia would be a radically different situation, and the idea that the United States would somehow be outclassed by them is laughably bad.
    Last edited by DarkTZeratul; 2024-05-27 at 11:09 AM.

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    Sometimes I think people forget that the USA completely dominated Iraq or Libya. That would be Russias future if it got too cheeky.

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