Russian invasion of Ukraine

[ringpriest]

What are you going on about? The "war" in Afghanistan was over practically before it even started. The entire rest of that shitshow had about 1% to do with American Military capability, and 99% to do with the fact that the USA has absolutely fuckall of a plan for what to do "after" they roll in and shit freedom-eagles all over the place.

The USA is VERY VERY VERY good at blowing shit up. We've known this for practically a century at this point. They are also absolute shit at basically any kind of followup afterwards unless it involves blowing more shit up.

So, again, since Russian Military Doctrine pretty much hasn't functionally changed since the 40's, and has all the modern finesse of a bag full of hammers falling down a flight of stairs, the USA would absolutely dance all over them.

There's a joke going back to at least WWII:

If you encounter a unit you can't identify, fire one round over their heads and wait for the response.

If it's a fusillade of rapid, precise rifle fire, they're British.

If it's a storm of machine-gun fire, they're German.

If they throw down their arms and surrender, they're Italian.

And if nothing happens for five minutes and then your position in obliterated by artillery or an airstrike, they're American.

[Jessicka]

We honestly didn't do a bad job post WW2, though I think a lot of the help with that came with the contrast to how bad the USSR was that occupied Germany and Japan just sort of put up with us and somehow turned out for the better, rather than turned out better solely because of the US's post-war efforts. The rest being our ability to throw hilarious amounts of money into reconstruction projects that we probably don't have anymore, nor probably will ever again with 'fiscal conservatives' guarding the purse strings like a fat dragon sitting on piles of gold.

Post WW2 you gave buckets of cash to western Europe to deal with it ourselves. That worked with established governmental systems, but when you're just paying off local mafias, less good.

[Gabriel]

https://www.moscowtimes.nl/2024/05/2...-zerna-a131981

The Russian Ministry of Agriculture plans to introduce a federal emergency situation (emergency situation) due to the May frosts, which led to massive crop loss in key black soil regions of the country.

The head of the department, Oksana Lut, announced this on Monday, May 27. According to her, the duration of the emergency regime, which will allow agricultural enterprises to receive insurance compensation, “has not yet been determined” (quotes from RIA Novosti ).

According to the Russian Grain Union, the spring frosts that affected crops in 23 constituent entities of the Russian Federation will deprive Russian farmers of 18 million tons of grain harvest: by the end of the year, harvests could amount to 129 million tons, although the initial forecast reached 142–147 million tons.

“In total, 1.5 million hectares of cultivated areas were affected, head of the RZS Arkady Zlochevsky said at a press conference on Monday. We haven't had these late return frosts for more than 100 years. The losses are already quite significant,” he complained.

According to RZS estimates, only 60% of the areas affected by bad weather are subject to replanting, or about 900 thousand hectares. “The frosts happened late, and there was practically no time left for reseeding. If reseeding takes place, this means late harvesting and depends on the conditions during harvesting, we may lose more, part of the harvest will go under the snow,” Zlochevsky complained.

A regional state of emergency due to frost has already been introduced in eight regions of Russia. Among them are Lipetsk, Voronezh, Tambov, Volgograd and Oryol regions. Frosts also affected other large agricultural regions - from Kursk and Rostov to Saratov and Penza regions, but the most difficult situation is in the Voronezh and Volgograd regions, says Dmitry Rylko, general director of the Institute of Agricultural Market Studies (IKAR).

Harvests of the main crop, wheat, according to the ICAR forecast , may decrease to 81.5 million tons, which is almost 12 million tons lower than initial estimates. It is no longer possible to replant wheat, Rylko is pessimistic.

The problem is not only the frosts, but also the fact that farmers sought to save on plant protection products - this led to a critical impact of bad weather on crops, notes Sovecon General Director Andrei Sizov.

According to him, the consequence of the weather crisis will be a series of bankruptcies of agricultural producers, who have already been hit by export duties, and then the redistribution of land. “Russian farmers had a fairly large margin of safety, which supported the record harvests of the past two years, but the consequences of the introduction of duties are beginning to show,” says Sizov.

Pigswine HATO NAZIS are using HAARP to target glorious Russian agricultural sector! ESCALATION! NUKES NOW!

[Iphie]

https://www.moscowtimes.nl/2024/05/2...-zerna-a131981


Pigswine HATO NAZIS are using HAARP to target glorious Russian agricultural sector! ESCALATION! NUKES NOW!

Hyperbole aside, the temperatures HAVE been unseasonably low in early May in russia. I mean they had SNOW in moscow on may 9th ferkrissake.

[Gabriel]

Hyperbole aside, the temperatures HAVE been unseasonably low in early May in russia. I mean they had SNOW in moscow on may 9th ferkrissake.

Thank god.

[Flarelaine]

Sorry Flare, you're a good bean and a fair moderator (in my opinion) but your government is just a bunch of faszfej and faszszopó . ( No idea how to make plural but it looks cute)

That they are.

[Corvus]

Macron and Scholz are both now saying western weapons can strike targets inside russia, so we are making progress.

[Karreck]

Good at fighting, bad at civilian administration. Same as running their own country with paramilitary policing.

I heard it said awhile back that America is great at winning the war, but sucks at winning the peace.

[Elder Millennial]

Hyperbole aside, the temperatures HAVE been unseasonably low in early May in russia. I mean they had SNOW in moscow on may 9th ferkrissake.

As much as am I inclined to gloat about any and all bad things that happen to the Russians....the loss of harvests is never really a good thing, as food supplies are as usual global affairs, and the crops lost are mostly cash crops. Cheap grain that goes to the developing world.

There price hikes can cross that fine line between "we have just enough" and "were starving".

[Xyonai]

As much as am I inclined to gloat about any and all bad things that happen to the Russians....the loss of harvests is never really a good thing, as food supplies are as usual global affairs, and the crops lost are mostly cash crops. Cheap grain that goes to the developing world.

There price hikes can cross that fine line between "we have just enough" and "were starving".

Compounded with Ukraine's own grain production and trade being understandably crippled by the whole 'Invasion' kerfuffle this thread's about, and unstable / unreliable temperatures in much of the world at the moment... Shit's not gonna look great for a lot of countries that relied on importing grains from those places.

[Corvus]

Pootie is now 'warning' the west about allowing Western weapons to hit russia. Ie he is worried about them.

But him using Iranian and north Koreans ones to hit Ukraine is fine apparently.

[Iphie]

As much as am I inclined to gloat about any and all bad things that happen to the Russians....the loss of harvests is never really a good thing, as food supplies are as usual global affairs, and the crops lost are mostly cash crops. Cheap grain that goes to the developing world.

There price hikes can cross that fine line between "we have just enough" and "were starving".

Funny thing about rising food prices, they increase internal instability and can provoke all kinds of nastiness. We should probably ask Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI what happened in France...

(Yay, my failed history degree has use!)

[Odinfrost]

Pootie is now 'warning' the west about allowing Western weapons to hit russia. Ie he is worried about them.

But him using Iranian and north Koreans ones to hit Ukraine is fine apparently.

Putput is a wizard who uses all his spell slots every long rest on his most powerful spell: RULES-FOR-THEE-BUT-NOT-FOR-ME!!!

[Kaleredar]

Pootie is now 'warning' the west about allowing Western weapons to hit russia. Ie he is worried about them.

But him using Iranian and north Koreans ones to hit Ukraine is fine apparently.

I mean, couldn't western countries just kinda throw up their hands and say "well after we give them the weapons we can't really tell them what to do with them... soooo kick rocks..." if Putin is supposedly having a tizzy fit about it.

Where are our resident Russian shills at? This seems like the kind of thing they'd try and flock on to cry their crocodile tears at.

[Iphie]

I mean, couldn't western countries just kinda throw up their hands and say "well after we give them the weapons we can't really tell them what to do with them... soooo kick rocks..." if Putin is supposedly having a tizzy fit about it.

Where are our resident Russian shills at? This seems like the kind of thing they'd try and flock on to cry their crocodile tears at.

That's more or less the line now: "Ukraine can defend itself in any manner it feels necessary", like we're not giving permission, but we're also not not giving permission. (With some explicit exceptions such as Sweden and Finland saying: "you want some dedications written on the munitions you're going to send to russia?")

[Muzjhath]

Funny thing about rising food prices, they increase internal instability and can provoke all kinds of nastiness. We should probably ask Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI what happened in France...

(Yay, my failed history degree has use!)

Ask the Romanovs, and the February Revolution government, what happens in breadlines.

[Azadina]

Ask the Romanovs, and the February Revolution government, what happens in breadlines.

Different times. Less than 0% chance, that current day orks would rebel against their führer.

[Iphie]

Different times. Less than 0% chance, that current day orks would rebel against their führer.

Nah, history is pretty clear on that, rising food prices equal dangerous times for dictators and tyrants. Even for those in russia in these times.

[Flarelaine]

Russia might not rebel, but countries depending on grain imports might. Egypt comes to mind foremost and they have been unstable for the past decade to begin with.

[Saradain]

Nah, history is pretty clear on that, rising food prices equal dangerous times for dictators and tyrants. Even for those in russia in these times.

Amazing incompetence that even with stolen grain from Ukraine, Russia failed...to steal enough to make a difference. Thank you, mother nature.