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    The first Gulf War would be a far better comparison. At the time the Iraqi army was the 4th largest in the world, with over 1,000,000 men, of which over 600K were in Kuwait. They were experienced from the Iran-Iraq war and were outfitted with Soviet gear, a lot of which is comparable to what russia is using now. The Coalition was expected to take thousands of casualties in the war but the end result was massively lopsided, with accidents and friendly fire as much as threat to Coalition forces as the Iraqi's were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Did this fly under the radar?

    I mean should Hungary maybe leave the Alliance and the EU? They're getting to be more trouble then they're worth.
    Eh, his Friday radio talks are for the cult. That said, it is infuriating.

  3. #38783
    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Eh, his Friday radio talks are for the cult. That said, it is infuriating.
    Eh btw I just noticed you lived in Hungary? What was that with Hungary inviting chinese police officers with helping to keep order? Is it like serious or optics?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-p...l?guccounter=1

    That was wild a move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    Eh btw I just noticed you lived in Hungary? What was that with Hungary inviting chinese police officers with helping to keep order? Is it like serious or optics?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-p...l?guccounter=1

    That was wild a move.
    I don't want to delve deep in it as it does not belong in this thread (beyond being another aspect of a NATO member becoming a Trojan horse for Eastern autocrats) but yes, China has kindly offered to assist us with policing ethnic Chinese in Hungary. And the party that can't stop screaming about SOVEREIGNTY! gladly accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    I don't want to delve deep in it as it does not belong in this thread (beyond being another aspect of a NATO member becoming a Trojan horse for Eastern autocrats) but yes, China has kindly offered to assist us with policing ethnic Chinese in Hungary. And the party that can't stop screaming about SOVEREIGNTY! gladly accepted.
    Hah, classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Eh, his Friday radio talks are for the cult. That said, it is infuriating.
    Sorry Flare, you're a good bean and a fair moderator (in my opinion) but your government is just a bunch of faszfej and faszszopó . ( No idea how to make plural but it looks cute)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    I don't want to delve deep in it as it does not belong in this thread (beyond being another aspect of a NATO member becoming a Trojan horse for Eastern autocrats) but yes, China has kindly offered to assist us with policing ethnic Chinese in Hungary. And the party that can't stop screaming about SOVEREIGNTY! gladly accepted.
    Just how large and how unruly is the ethnic Chinese community in Hungary, that the Hungarian state needs help with policing them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Just how large and how unruly is the ethnic Chinese community in Hungary, that the Hungarian state needs help with policing them?
    If this topic is interesting enough that y'all believe it merits a thread, I'll be glad to add my 2 cents, but let's not derail this one further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The first Gulf War would be a far better comparison. At the time the Iraqi army was the 4th largest in the world, with over 1,000,000 men, of which over 600K were in Kuwait. They were experienced from the Iran-Iraq war and were outfitted with Soviet gear, a lot of which is comparable to what russia is using now. The Coalition was expected to take thousands of casualties in the war but the end result was massively lopsided, with accidents and friendly fire as much as threat to Coalition forces as the Iraqi's were.
    Yeah, the US military is extremely good at dismantling conventional armies. Even fighting against guerilla tactics, the casualties suffered by the opposing group are massive compared to the US losses in every conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwarven View Post
    Yeah, the US military is extremely good at dismantling conventional armies. Even fighting against guerilla tactics, the casualties suffered by the opposing group are massive compared to the US losses in every conflict.
    Good at fighting, bad at civilian administration. Same as running their own country with paramilitary policing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    You should tell that to the taliban
    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe4mXnRt/
    I think the thing to note, here, is that no one's talking - seriously - about invading Russia itself in a hypothetical conflict with them. Moreso, the conversation seems to be more the perspective of Russia continuing to try and push outside of its borders and that's where most of the 'Russia is a credible threat' squinting comes from.

    Considering their poor showing in Ukraine - relative to the alleged military differences between the two countries at the war's onset - and how relatively quick training with old Western Armaments seems to be enough to stall or push back against Russian invading forces... Trying to hit a country where that equipment is standard, or allied to a country where that equipment is standard, and isn't rife with Ukraine's pre-war corruption issues will probably be an insurmountable task for a military who's main tactics insofar have been 'Throw a bunch of guys at the problem until it works, use artillery to kill their children and sometimes strike at military targets if we have to I guess'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Good at fighting, bad at civilian administration. Same as running their own country with paramilitary policing.
    We honestly didn't do a bad job post WW2, though I think a lot of the help with that came with the contrast to how bad the USSR was that occupied Germany and Japan just sort of put up with us and somehow turned out for the better, rather than turned out better solely because of the US's post-war efforts. The rest being our ability to throw hilarious amounts of money into reconstruction projects that we probably don't have anymore, nor probably will ever again with 'fiscal conservatives' guarding the purse strings like a fat dragon sitting on piles of gold.

  12. #38792
    France is reportedly going to be sending trainers to Ukraine. There shouldn't be much danger for them if they do go, given russia doesn't go after military targets much.

    And there are also reports of serious discussion within NATO of defending the airspace of western Ukraine from drones and missiles - the Baltics, Poland, France, Canada and the UK are said to be in favour, but (surprise surprise) Germany and the US are against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Just how large and how unruly is the ethnic Chinese community in Hungary, that the Hungarian state needs help with policing them?
    That's not really the right line of questions to be asking. I fully imagine it's probably a very similar situation to the stuff the Chinese government has been pulling with ethnic Chinese here in Canada. It has basically nothing to do with them being "unruly", but rather everything to do with Big Brother Communist Overwatch really not liking their "citizens" being outside of their reach to make sure they aren't picking up any nasty western mind viruses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    You should tell that to the taliban
    https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe4mXnRt/
    What are you going on about? The "war" in Afghanistan was over practically before it even started. The entire rest of that shitshow had about 1% to do with American Military capability, and 99% to do with the fact that the USA has absolutely fuckall of a plan for what to do "after" they roll in and shit freedom-eagles all over the place.

    The USA is VERY VERY VERY good at blowing shit up. We've known this for practically a century at this point. They are also absolute shit at basically any kind of followup afterwards unless it involves blowing more shit up.

    So, again, since Russian Military Doctrine pretty much hasn't functionally changed since the 40's, and has all the modern finesse of a bag full of hammers falling down a flight of stairs, the USA would absolutely dance all over them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfd View Post
    What are you going on about? The "war" in Afghanistan was over practically before it even started. The entire rest of that shitshow had about 1% to do with American Military capability, and 99% to do with the fact that the USA has absolutely fuckall of a plan for what to do "after" they roll in and shit freedom-eagles all over the place.

    The USA is VERY VERY VERY good at blowing shit up. We've known this for practically a century at this point. They are also absolute shit at basically any kind of followup afterwards unless it involves blowing more shit up.

    So, again, since Russian Military Doctrine pretty much hasn't functionally changed since the 40's, and has all the modern finesse of a bag full of hammers falling down a flight of stairs, the USA would absolutely dance all over them.
    There's a joke going back to at least WWII:

    If you encounter a unit you can't identify, fire one round over their heads and wait for the response.

    If it's a fusillade of rapid, precise rifle fire, they're British.

    If it's a storm of machine-gun fire, they're German.

    If they throw down their arms and surrender, they're Italian.

    And if nothing happens for five minutes and then your position in obliterated by artillery or an airstrike, they're American.
    "In today’s America, conservatives who actually want to conserve are as rare as liberals who actually want to liberate. The once-significant language of an earlier era has had the meaning sucked right out of it, the better to serve as camouflage for a kleptocratic feeding frenzy in which both establishment parties participate with equal abandon" (Taking a break from the criminal, incompetent liars at the NSA, to bring you the above political observation, from The Archdruid Report.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    We honestly didn't do a bad job post WW2, though I think a lot of the help with that came with the contrast to how bad the USSR was that occupied Germany and Japan just sort of put up with us and somehow turned out for the better, rather than turned out better solely because of the US's post-war efforts. The rest being our ability to throw hilarious amounts of money into reconstruction projects that we probably don't have anymore, nor probably will ever again with 'fiscal conservatives' guarding the purse strings like a fat dragon sitting on piles of gold.
    Post WW2 you gave buckets of cash to western Europe to deal with it ourselves. That worked with established governmental systems, but when you're just paying off local mafias, less good.

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    https://www.moscowtimes.nl/2024/05/2...-zerna-a131981
    The Russian Ministry of Agriculture plans to introduce a federal emergency situation (emergency situation) due to the May frosts, which led to massive crop loss in key black soil regions of the country.

    The head of the department, Oksana Lut, announced this on Monday, May 27. According to her, the duration of the emergency regime, which will allow agricultural enterprises to receive insurance compensation, “has not yet been determined” (quotes from RIA Novosti ).

    According to the Russian Grain Union, the spring frosts that affected crops in 23 constituent entities of the Russian Federation will deprive Russian farmers of 18 million tons of grain harvest: by the end of the year, harvests could amount to 129 million tons, although the initial forecast reached 142–147 million tons.

    “In total, 1.5 million hectares of cultivated areas were affected, head of the RZS Arkady Zlochevsky said at a press conference on Monday. We haven't had these late return frosts for more than 100 years. The losses are already quite significant,” he complained.


    According to RZS estimates, only 60% of the areas affected by bad weather are subject to replanting, or about 900 thousand hectares. “The frosts happened late, and there was practically no time left for reseeding. If reseeding takes place, this means late harvesting and depends on the conditions during harvesting, we may lose more, part of the harvest will go under the snow,” Zlochevsky complained.

    A regional state of emergency due to frost has already been introduced in eight regions of Russia. Among them are Lipetsk, Voronezh, Tambov, Volgograd and Oryol regions. Frosts also affected other large agricultural regions - from Kursk and Rostov to Saratov and Penza regions, but the most difficult situation is in the Voronezh and Volgograd regions, says Dmitry Rylko, general director of the Institute of Agricultural Market Studies (IKAR).

    Harvests of the main crop, wheat, according to the ICAR forecast , may decrease to 81.5 million tons, which is almost 12 million tons lower than initial estimates. It is no longer possible to replant wheat, Rylko is pessimistic.

    The problem is not only the frosts, but also the fact that farmers sought to save on plant protection products - this led to a critical impact of bad weather on crops, notes Sovecon General Director Andrei Sizov.

    According to him, the consequence of the weather crisis will be a series of bankruptcies of agricultural producers, who have already been hit by export duties, and then the redistribution of land. “Russian farmers had a fairly large margin of safety, which supported the record harvests of the past two years, but the consequences of the introduction of duties are beginning to show,” says Sizov.
    Pigswine HATO NAZIS are using HAARP to target glorious Russian agricultural sector! ESCALATION! NUKES NOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    https://www.moscowtimes.nl/2024/05/2...-zerna-a131981


    Pigswine HATO NAZIS are using HAARP to target glorious Russian agricultural sector! ESCALATION! NUKES NOW!
    Hyperbole aside, the temperatures HAVE been unseasonably low in early May in russia. I mean they had SNOW in moscow on may 9th ferkrissake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Hyperbole aside, the temperatures HAVE been unseasonably low in early May in russia. I mean they had SNOW in moscow on may 9th ferkrissake.
    Thank god.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Sorry Flare, you're a good bean and a fair moderator (in my opinion) but your government is just a bunch of faszfej and faszszopó . ( No idea how to make plural but it looks cute)
    That they are.

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    Macron and Scholz are both now saying western weapons can strike targets inside russia, so we are making progress.

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