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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    Good at fighting, bad at civilian administration. Same as running their own country with paramilitary policing.
    I heard it said awhile back that America is great at winning the war, but sucks at winning the peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Hyperbole aside, the temperatures HAVE been unseasonably low in early May in russia. I mean they had SNOW in moscow on may 9th ferkrissake.
    As much as am I inclined to gloat about any and all bad things that happen to the Russians....the loss of harvests is never really a good thing, as food supplies are as usual global affairs, and the crops lost are mostly cash crops. Cheap grain that goes to the developing world.

    There price hikes can cross that fine line between "we have just enough" and "were starving".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    As much as am I inclined to gloat about any and all bad things that happen to the Russians....the loss of harvests is never really a good thing, as food supplies are as usual global affairs, and the crops lost are mostly cash crops. Cheap grain that goes to the developing world.

    There price hikes can cross that fine line between "we have just enough" and "were starving".
    Compounded with Ukraine's own grain production and trade being understandably crippled by the whole 'Invasion' kerfuffle this thread's about, and unstable / unreliable temperatures in much of the world at the moment... Shit's not gonna look great for a lot of countries that relied on importing grains from those places.

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    Pootie is now 'warning' the west about allowing Western weapons to hit russia. Ie he is worried about them.

    But him using Iranian and north Koreans ones to hit Ukraine is fine apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    As much as am I inclined to gloat about any and all bad things that happen to the Russians....the loss of harvests is never really a good thing, as food supplies are as usual global affairs, and the crops lost are mostly cash crops. Cheap grain that goes to the developing world.

    There price hikes can cross that fine line between "we have just enough" and "were starving".
    Funny thing about rising food prices, they increase internal instability and can provoke all kinds of nastiness. We should probably ask Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI what happened in France...

    (Yay, my failed history degree has use!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Pootie is now 'warning' the west about allowing Western weapons to hit russia. Ie he is worried about them.

    But him using Iranian and north Koreans ones to hit Ukraine is fine apparently.
    Putput is a wizard who uses all his spell slots every long rest on his most powerful spell: RULES-FOR-THEE-BUT-NOT-FOR-ME!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Pootie is now 'warning' the west about allowing Western weapons to hit russia. Ie he is worried about them.

    But him using Iranian and north Koreans ones to hit Ukraine is fine apparently.
    I mean, couldn't western countries just kinda throw up their hands and say "well after we give them the weapons we can't really tell them what to do with them... soooo kick rocks..." if Putin is supposedly having a tizzy fit about it.

    Where are our resident Russian shills at? This seems like the kind of thing they'd try and flock on to cry their crocodile tears at.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    I mean, couldn't western countries just kinda throw up their hands and say "well after we give them the weapons we can't really tell them what to do with them... soooo kick rocks..." if Putin is supposedly having a tizzy fit about it.

    Where are our resident Russian shills at? This seems like the kind of thing they'd try and flock on to cry their crocodile tears at.
    That's more or less the line now: "Ukraine can defend itself in any manner it feels necessary", like we're not giving permission, but we're also not not giving permission. (With some explicit exceptions such as Sweden and Finland saying: "you want some dedications written on the munitions you're going to send to russia?")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Funny thing about rising food prices, they increase internal instability and can provoke all kinds of nastiness. We should probably ask Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI what happened in France...

    (Yay, my failed history degree has use!)
    Ask the Romanovs, and the February Revolution government, what happens in breadlines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    Ask the Romanovs, and the February Revolution government, what happens in breadlines.
    Different times. Less than 0% chance, that current day orks would rebel against their führer.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Different times. Less than 0% chance, that current day orks would rebel against their führer.
    Nah, history is pretty clear on that, rising food prices equal dangerous times for dictators and tyrants. Even for those in russia in these times.

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    Russia might not rebel, but countries depending on grain imports might. Egypt comes to mind foremost and they have been unstable for the past decade to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Nah, history is pretty clear on that, rising food prices equal dangerous times for dictators and tyrants. Even for those in russia in these times.
    Amazing incompetence that even with stolen grain from Ukraine, Russia failed...to steal enough to make a difference. Thank you, mother nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Russia might not rebel, but countries depending on grain imports might. Egypt comes to mind foremost and they have been unstable for the past decade to begin with.
    Which in and off itself is hilarious from a historical perspective.

    Egypt used to be the biggest grain producer around the med.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    Which in and off itself is hilarious from a historical perspective.

    Egypt used to be the biggest grain producer around the med.
    That was before the Aswan dam (Soviet-style brainless industrialisation) fucked with the yearly flooding of the Nile which used to make the floodplains so fertile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Nah, history is pretty clear on that, rising food prices equal dangerous times for dictators and tyrants. Even for those in russia in these times.
    Recent history is even more clear, that any dissenters in mordor are arrested. Many of those arrested are then sent to the Ukraine front as bullet magnets, so that the more experienced troops around get a visual on exact Ukrainian positions.

    No kind of rebellion will happen, even if magically 1% of orks wake up one morning, and realise they have mysterious spine growing in them.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    That was before the Aswan dam (Soviet-style brainless industrialisation) fucked with the yearly flooding of the Nile which used to make the floodplains so fertile.
    Actually... technically....the dam tripled agricultural output since the 1970s. It also made rice and sugar cane production viable.

    Yes, it has a lot of issues and downsides (agriculture is now only viable due to artificial fertilizers), but broadly speaking, that's not the problem here.

    Egypt had a population of 34 million in 1970. Today it's 111 million. If you factor in things like increased standards of living (they did increase), need for cash crops (citrus, strawberries and onions) etc it's understandable how population growth and consumption levels far outpaced any benefits provided by the dam.

    Honestly, if the population growth trend holds, there's just no way for Egypt to be self sustaining agriculturally dam or no dam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Actually... technically....the damn tripled agricultural output since the 1970s. It also made rice and sugar cane production viable.

    Yes, it has a lot of issues and downsides (agriculture is now only viable due to artificial fertilizers), but broadly speaking, that's not the problem here.

    Egypt had a population of 34 million in 1970. Today it's 111 million. If you factor in things like increased standards of living (they did increase), need for cash crops (citrus, strawberries and onions) etc it's understandable how population growth and consumption levels far outpaced any benefits provided by the dam.

    Honestly, if the population growth trend holds, there's just no way for Egypt to be self sustaining agriculturally dam or no dam.
    Thank you for correcting me and adding details. Overpopulation is a major issue but the last figure I recalled was ~80 million, 111 is just mindblowing.

    So they made up for the yearly deposits from the flood by using fertilisers. Fertilisers are another market sector impacted by the war - they used to be a major export of Russia, so much so that some African countries are/were entirely reliant on them and, if I recall correctly, even production outside Russia used to use a lot of Russian gas.

    https://www.ifpri.org/blog/russia-uk...nd-trade-flows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flarelaine View Post
    Thank you for correcting me and adding details. Overpopulation is a major issue but the last figure I recalled was ~80 million, 111 is just mindblowing.

    So they made up for the yearly deposits from the flood by using fertilisers. Fertilisers are another market sector impacted by the war - they used to be a major export of Russia, so much so that some African countries are/were entirely reliant on them and, if I recall correctly, even production outside Russia used to use a lot of Russian gas.

    https://www.ifpri.org/blog/russia-uk...nd-trade-flows
    To put it simply, Egypt is the 14th most populated country on the planet, with a total area of farmable land the size of the Netherlands.

    Its simply impossible to feed its exploding population on the amount of land they have available.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Biggest tragedy of the Aswan dam was the flooding of the archaeological evidence of the medieval Nubian kingdom of Makuria. Polish archaeologists were able to hastily recover some amazing finds but far too much now lies beneath the water.

    Sweden just announced a very large support package, including a large number of recently retired APCs and also its 2 Saab 340 AWACs. These are smaller than the ones other counties use, but still have a 400km range radar meaning they can stay well outside missile range and still fly in Ukraine keeping an eye on russian assets. With the first f16s due soon, armed with amraam missiles, and the AWACSs directing them, it will hopefully cause issues for russian planes.

    And speaking of Ukrainian f16s - they flew their first mission. On a trip to Brussels, Zelensky's plane was escorted by armed F16s piloted by Ukrainian pilots.

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