Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

Russia is ticking along okay.
The sanctions have mainly impacted the political class while the average Russian can still get versions of McDonalds, KFC & Starbucks.
But they have had their names changed. Starbucks is Stars ..McDonalds is called Tasty.

Wouldn't mind visiting Moscow & Russia sometime. Love the Architecture & History.

Life in Russia with the Sanctions. Video

You know I hear you can watch some films put out by North Korea that paint them as an “unfairly victimized nation with happy citizens, the equal of any western country”


You gonna come here posting those next?

[zorkuus]

Wouldn't mind visiting Moscow & Russia sometime. Love the Architecture & History.

You're there already comrade. And stay there, with the rest of you lot.

[Lynarii]

Attacking a NATO country leads to a simple reaction. Ukraine attacking Moscow, a capital of a nation already in war with them is no different. Red lines? Haha.

Kyiv was bombed already, why should bombing Moscow be any different? Other than perhaps targeting military targets in Moscow, not civilians like russians.

There aren't a lot of useful military targets that could be hit to begin with. Like you're probably not going to effectively hit their actual command structure, it's got a lot of defenses and it's fortified to all hell. It's not where their planes are launching from, nor their rockets, nor their ships. So firing on Moscow is unlikely to have a lot of actual war benefit, it's highly likely to outright fail, there's a huge risk of way more civilian casualty than military, and it gives Russia excuses. The potential rewards just don't match up.

Ultimately there are just better targets to go for. It's an emotional target more than a strategic one, at least at this point in time.

[Saradain]

There aren't a lot of useful military targets that could be hit to begin with. Like you're probably not going to effectively hit their actual command structure, it's got a lot of defenses and it's fortified to all hell. It's not where their planes are launching from, nor their rockets, nor their ships. So firing on Moscow is unlikely to have a lot of actual war benefit, it's highly likely to outright fail, there's a huge risk of way more civilian casualty than military, and it gives Russia excuses. The potential rewards just don't match up.

Ultimately there are just better targets to go for. It's an emotional target more than a strategic one, at least at this point in time.

Entirely fine by me, as much as making Moscow fear would hammer some real facts into the heads of the vatniks living there and pretending all is fine. Premise of the question was there already. Kyiv was hit, the civilized world didn't start an unpredictable shitshow.

What strikes weird to me is, why would the US set a limit of "Do not hit Moscow" if there's no military targets within other than Kremlin? Has Ukraine targeted civilian targets so far or what? Don't think so.

[alach]

Sounds like it was a productive week for Zelesky.
Meeting with all the big names on the side of the WW2 memorials.
Another ammo package from the states, mirage jets from France, some pretty hefty donations from the Swedes.
Canada is trying to speed stuff up. (they have been pretty slow with deliveries.)

Canada's Roshel company to produce armoured vehicles in Ukraine
The Canada-based company Roshel initially produced armoured vehicles for commercial use. However, modified versions of the Senator armoured personnel carriers (APCs) are now being used in combat operations in Ukraine. The vehicles are so useful that the company is setting up a plant in Ukraine.

The Canadian armoured vehicle manufacturer Roshel can be considered part of the Ukrainian defence industry. Every second armoured vehicle produced by this company is sent to the Armed Forces of Ukraine or other law enforcement agencies in Ukraine, and a third of the workers at its factories are refugees from Ukraine.

Roshel has supplied 1,140 Senator vehicles to Ukraine’s defence forces to date, making them one of the most common model of armoured vehicles used in the Russo-Ukrainian war. Over the past two years, the Canadian company has acquired partners and connections in Ukraine, and its products have gained considerable combat experience.

[Lynarii]

Entirely fine by me, as much as making Moscow fear would hammer some real facts into the heads of the vatniks living there and pretending all is fine. Premise of the question was there already. Kyiv was hit, the civilized world didn't start an unpredictable shitshow.

What strikes weird to me is, why would the US set a limit of "Do not hit Moscow" if there's no military targets within other than Kremlin? Has Ukraine targeted civilian targets so far or what? Don't think so.

It's not that there are no other valid military targets, there's military infrastructure and production in Moscow, just that they're higher risk to lower rewards than other available targets. I'd imagine the limit is there because there is a big psychological 'feels good' to the idea of hitting the Russian capitol. Revenge can be exceptionally tempting, even when it's clearly not a very good idea.

[Jessicka]

Entirely fine by me, as much as making Moscow fear would hammer some real facts into the heads of the vatniks living there and pretending all is fine. Premise of the question was there already. Kyiv was hit, the civilized world didn't start an unpredictable shitshow.

What strikes weird to me is, why would the US set a limit of "Do not hit Moscow" if there's no military targets within other than Kremlin? Has Ukraine targeted civilian targets so far or what? Don't think so.

Political reasons, there’s still plenty of the home audience worried about escalation. I personally have the view that we should go harder and faster on supply, let Ukraine go nuts against infrastructure, and get the war done, but I don’t know too many people in real life who feel the same because of that worry about escalation. A concern I don’t think Russia have demonstrated a capability to even do but it was so played up by pro-Russians at the start it hasn’t gone away even though the pro-Russians largely have.

[Lynarii]

Political reasons, there’s still plenty of the home audience worried about escalation. I personally have the view that we should go harder and faster on supply, let Ukraine go nuts against infrastructure, and get the war done, but I don’t know too many people in real life who feel the same because of that worry about escalation. A concern I don’t think Russia have demonstrated a capability to even do but it was so played up by pro-Russians at the start it hasn’t gone away even though the pro-Russians largely have.

The thing is, I don't think that would work. Russia is unimaginably huge and has infrastructure all over the place. Look at WW2, the Germans made it up to Moscow and were actively hitting the city, the death count for the entire military and civilian population in the entire Russian front was ghastly, and it still didn't degrade their overall infrastructure to the point where they could no longer build tanks and launch a counter-offensive. Mass destruction simply isn't a viable option unless you're pushing 'mass destruction' to cataclysmic proportions. Surgical strikes on critical links in their logistics chain is the legitimately more effective choice, because it's been demonstrated that it doesn't share the same resiliency.

[Gaidax]

Russia is ticking along okay.
The sanctions have mainly impacted the political class while the average Russian can still get versions of McDonalds, KFC & Starbucks.
But they have had their names changed. Starbucks is Stars ..McDonalds is called Tasty.

Wouldn't mind visiting Moscow & Russia sometime. Love the Architecture & History.

Life in Russia with the Sanctions. Video

Any Western world citizen going to Russia right now is gambling with their life.

[zorkuus]

Any Western world citizen going to Russia right now is gambling with their life.

He's not western. Hugo88 is a ruZZian nazi.

[Jessicka]

The thing is, I don't think that would work. Russia is unimaginably huge and has infrastructure all over the place. Look at WW2, the Germans made it up to Moscow and were actively hitting the city, the death count for the entire military and civilian population in the entire Russian front was ghastly, and it still didn't degrade their overall infrastructure to the point where they could no longer build tanks and launch a counter-offensive. Mass destruction simply isn't a viable option unless you're pushing 'mass destruction' to cataclysmic proportions. Surgical strikes on critical links in their logistics chain is the legitimately more effective choice, because it's been demonstrated that it doesn't share the same resiliency.

Ukraine are the ones defending this time. It’s Russia’s logistics that would be stretched by deepening the front.

[Ulmita]

He's not western. Hugo88 is a ruZZian nazi.

Whoever has a different opinion is a Russian nazi. This narrative getting quite boring.

[Dontrike]

Whoever has a different opinion is a Russian nazi. This narrative getting quite boring.

Or, and this might sound crazy, the person with 88 in their name, which is a known hate symbol, combined with the Russia idolization might just be a few clues that their wanting to "visit Moscow" means taking a leisurely drive a couple dozen miles away.

[Azadina]

Whoever has a different opinion is a Russian nazi. This narrative getting quite boring.

Dishonest bullshitting is getting quite boring. You know damn well what he's talking about. The fact that you're running cover for Hugo boy though, shines some light on where your allegiances lie.

[zorkuus]

Whoever has a different opinion is a Russian nazi. This narrative getting quite boring.

He wasn't even being subtle. Cry a river. You guys need to up your game a lot if you want it to succeed here.

[Odinfrost]

So. An EU project is in the works with Denmark at the helm about using frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine for weapons production.
As in, using Russian money to pay Ukraine to make their own weapons. And then that investment returns to Russia through a handful holes lodged into the Russian soldiers.

[Iphie]

Or, and this might sound crazy, the person with 88 in their name, which is a known hate symbol, combined with the Russia idolization might just be a few clues that their wanting to "visit Moscow" means taking a leisurely drive a couple dozen miles away.

"That's just his birthyear...", right...and the first of April is the day? (1488) or if you write dates differently, the fourth of January? These people aren't even subtle anymore. 18 is another i've seen used, but it's more rare.

To be sure I recently had to smack down someone saying that those symbols (14, 88, double lightning bolts, swastika and the Black Sun) were only widely known to NAZIs and their sympathizers...that was fun.

[Sezerek]

18 is another i've seen used, but it's more rare.

Yeah the whole numbers thing with 18 or 88 is unfortunately not so rare here in germany.

[Ripster42]

Dishonest bullshitting is getting quite boring. You know damn well what he's talking about. The fact that you're running cover for Hugo boy though, shines some light on where your allegiances lie.

Well, that and the past 10 years of shilling for russia. Your join date was after ruzzias initial invasion of ukraine so maybe you weren't here, but boy was that poster dredging the septic tank for takes on who shot down the civ airliner.

[Azadina]

Well, that and the past 10 years of shilling for russia. Your join date was after ruzzias initial invasion of ukraine so maybe you weren't here, but boy was that poster dredging the septic tank for takes on who shot down the civ airliner.

Oh, let guess: Anything ranging from CIA, to Martians or Space Rainbow Unicorns. Just anything except RuZZia?