Russian invasion of Ukraine

[diller]

tactical nukes are coming?

Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.

Is this a Yuppie alt account?

[Elder Millennial]

tactical nukes are coming?

No.

Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.

Russians and Putin issue ultimatums once a week and twice on every Tuesday.

The distinction between strategic and tactical nukes is completely meaningless in terms of international reaction. China, Russia's real masters, already told Putin, no nukes.

The only utility of nuclear weapons in battlefield environments is against large concentrations of massed troops either defensively or offensively. One of the main characteristics of this war has long been the issue that neither side can actually mass more than a few hundred troops in one spot before the other one hits them long range missiles. What are the Russians going to nuke? 3 trenches a few hundred troops? An airfield? An urban area? None of those things would make a single fucking difference tactically speaking.

Or do they plan on nuking NATO itself? Well good fucking luck with explaining the difference between tactical nukes and strategic nukes to the immediate fullscale nuclear retaliation.

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This one looks like the real deal

"Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeels"...that word does a lot of heavy lifting here.

[Belize]

This one looks like the real deal, it feels like he is ready to do something, also the tactical nukes exercises are still running and are advancing further.

I'm sure the EU is *quivering* in their boots.

God you Russian apologists are a tiresome bunch, go be a loser somewhere else.

[Gorsameth]

tactical nukes are coming?

Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.

Sigh, again this.

No.
No country in the world will allow the nuclear Pandora's box to be reopened. Its not just 'the west', its China, its India it is literally everyone.
If Russia uses any nuclear weapon, even a 'small' tactical nuke, they will stop existing and everyone not named Putin inside Russia will be scrambling to capture him and turn him over to the world as a peace offering before said hammer falls.

[shimerra]

I'm sure the EU is *quivering* in their boots.

God you Russian apologists are a tiresome bunch, go be a loser somewhere else.

At this point given how hard Russa has screwed up the war despite all of @Vampiregenesis 's hand wringing and Putin ball cupping I'm more worried for the Russians expected to deploy the nukes blowing up in their own faces/leaking radiation all over their own forces. Vampire also seems to forget that Putin is not the only one with nukes and if he chooses to use them that will change the much more hands off approach western nations have taken into a much more directly involved kinda role. And while everyone will suffer it's basically guaranteed Russia will suffer more.

[Calfredd]

I don't know if he is capable to throw a strategic nuke but this Putin can drop a tactical nuke and he is already conducting exercises, I think he is trying to set the stage for grabbing Kharkiv and using the first tactical nukes. Also, I think he is under pressure to finish this quickly, things must be not going well. I don't remember when he issued an official ultimatum through the embassies to the other countries.

Are you YUPPIE's alt account? You seem very... enthusiastic about the use of nukes. One might even say aroused by the idea.

[Gabriel]

tactical nukes are coming?

Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.

[Edge-]

I don't know if he is capable to throw a strategic nuke but this Putin can drop a tactical nuke and he is already conducting exercises, I think he is trying to set the stage for grabbing Kharkiv and using the first tactical nukes. Also, I think he is under pressure to finish this quickly, things must be not going well. I don't remember when he issued an official ultimatum through the embassies to the other countries.

He could always declare victory and withdraw all Russian forces to Russia. Weird that this is never something y'all talk about in all the impossible scenarios y'all keep coming up with.

[Belize]

At this point given how hard Russa has screwed up the war despite all of @Vampiregenesis 's hand wringing and Putin ball cupping I'm more worried for the Russians expected to deploy the nukes blowing up in their own faces/leaking radiation all over their own forces. Vampire also seems to forget that Putin is not the only one with nukes and if he chooses to use them that will change the much more hands off approach western nations have taken into a much more directly involved kinda role. And while everyone will suffer it's basically guaranteed Russia will suffer more.

Honestly, given the state of everything else in Russia, I'd be curious to know how many working nukes they even have left.
I can't imagine that those were immune to oligarchs getting their grubby hands all over the money meant for upkeep and maintenance.

[Makabreska]

Honestly, given the state of everything else in Russia, I'd be curious to know how many working nukes they even have left.
I can't imagine that those were immune to oligarchs getting their grubby hands all over the money meant for upkeep and maintenance.

Putin probably wonders about that as well.

[Corvus]

They were barely paying anything for upkeep to start with. They were paying about 10% per nuke that every other country with them was. And that includes Pakistan and North Korea.

[Dontrike]

tactical nukes are coming?

Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.

Was it as serious as the last 50 times he threatened it?

[Kralljin]

"We're losing, and if you don't give us the victory right now, we will keep losing for an extended period of time!"

From what i've seen, i wouldn't necessarily describe the current situation as "Russia is losing".

Currently, it looks like a standstill with Ukraine holding on but Russia being unable to make any gains, while any major offensive from the Ukrainian side will likely not happen until 2025.

[Saradain]

From what i've seen, i wouldn't necessarily describe the current situation as "Russia is losing".

Currently, it looks like a standstill with Ukraine holding on but Russia being unable to make any gains, while any major offensive from the Ukrainian side will likely not happen until 2025.

Why else would Russia want negotiations for Ukraine to give up regions Russia doesn't even fully control? Just go brrr and conquer all of Ukraine if they're doing so well. Putin knows very well Ukraine ain't stepping down until every orc is driven out. Meanwhile Ukraine gets more and more western weapons, Crimea runs out of anti-air defenses...Putin is praying for a miracle

You can add their recent misfortune with their economy doing "negative gains"...

[Ulmita]

I suspect that the audience of this wasn't the west. It was about showing the rest of the world (Africa, Asia, S. America) that Russia doesn't want war. This might be because of upcoming escalation.

[Edge-]

I suspect that the audience of this wasn't the west. It was about showing the rest of the world (Africa, Asia, S. America) that Russia doesn't want war. This might be because of upcoming escalation.

Then why did Russia start a war that they're still engaged in?

[Makabreska]

I suspect that the audience of this wasn't the west. It was about showing the rest of the world (Africa, Asia, S. America) that Russia doesn't want war. This might be because of upcoming escalation.

Doesn't want war, starts it.

Si vis pacem, para bellum, amirite?

[Sunseeker]

Why would "Asia"(of which Russia is a part of?), Africa and S America give a shit what Russia wants? China knows Russia isnt stupid enough to make a move on them, Russia cant physically touch India, Japan & S Korean may be concerned about what Russia wants but theyre both ostenaibly "the West".

Russia has ZERO influence in Africa.

"S America"? Again, Russian influence there is nil. Or at least pales in comparison to Western influence.

Is anything that isnt "The West" now the BRICS? That odd alliance that China thinks its in charge of? Does....Does Russia think its the leader of the BRICS? O.o

Russia shills are weird.

[Ulmita]

Then why did Russia start a war that they're still engaged in?

Because according to Russians, NATO is an existential threat, a view that we as west, dismissed and keep dismissing. Let's not start this conversation again.

Also, I really don't believe that the Russians give a dime for EU or US anymore. They turned their backs on us permanently a couple of years ago. So I don't believe that the audience if Putin's announcement was actually us. I also don't believe that Putin's conditions would be accepted from Ukraine (which ofc he knew thus reinforcing the previous point). This announcement might have something to do with the F-16s or Ukraine hitting directly Russia.

[Belize]

Because according to Russians

According to me, you owe me a million dollar. Since that's what the level of reality we're basing things on, I expect the check to be in the mail by next week.