Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

Man, have you set up a trap for yourself with this, Ulmita. I was lucky to check these forums today to see this blunder:


Answer: as a person from (de jure) eastern Ukraine, I not just "believe", I know with 100% certainty that people here did not have any trouble whatsoever from those imaginary east Ukrainian "right wing elements". Not here, absolutely not.

The sort of opposite, in a super mild form, was kind of true: if you were a Ukrainian speaker in Donetsk, you were seen as "not ours" and would not get very far in our society (remember, we were the wealthy ones, not the westerners). But there was no actual animosity, marriages between "us" and "banderites" as people here semi-jokingly called them then, happened all the time; from my personal circle of acquaintances two people married western Ukrainians and moved there.

So yes, Putin, or someone in his employ, came up with these lies about "bad bad time".

how is life over there? are you living in a occupied territory?

[Ulmita]

Man, have you set up a trap for yourself with this, Ulmita. I was lucky to check these forums today to see this blunder:


Answer: as a person from (de jure) eastern Ukraine, I not just "believe", I know with 100% certainty that people here did not have any trouble whatsoever from those imaginary east Ukrainian "right wing elements". Not here, absolutely not.

The sort of opposite, in a super mild form, was kind of true: if you were a Ukrainian speaker in Donetsk, you were seen as "not ours" and would not get very far in our society (remember, we were the wealthy ones, not the westerners). But there was no actual animosity, marriages between "us" and "banderites" as people here semi-jokingly called them then, happened all the time; from my personal circle of acquaintances two people married western Ukrainians and moved there.

So yes, Putin, or someone in his employ, came up with these lies about "bad bad time".

I mean, we've had Ukrainan Greeks coming on live national TV saying that Azov is going around killing people and using citizens as human shields. This was all over the news. Is everyone lying to us?

Greece should had sent army to evac them, but unfortunately we have idiots that govern us. Hopefully we get rid of this useless government soon.

Use google translate: https://www.militaire.gr/ti-ginetai-...tagmatos-azof/

[Vampiregenesis]

I mean, we've had Ukrainan Greeks coming on live national TV saying that Azov is going around killing people and using citizens as human shields. This was all over the news. Is everyone lying to us?

Greece should had sent army to evac them, but unfortunately we have idiots that govern us. Hopefully we get rid of this useless government soon.

Use google translate: https://www.militaire.gr/ti-ginetai-...tagmatos-azof/

The Greek ambassador there that we evacuated said that the Russians caused the problems and Ukrainians helped them with shelter and food and he did not see any nazis as you say so the ones you saw in tv were more likely propagandists, same goes for the pro-russian newspaper that you read, also there were some Greek-Ukrainians that fought along with the Ukrainian army and we saw them in our parliament, the reality is that none of us here in Greece know the truth about what is going on over there and I personally don't care about the minority over there. They have no business being there, they are not Greeks for me, they offer nothing to our country. They are mostly Eastern Rome empire remnants that are culturally much different than us, some of them can't even speak our language properly. That to be said, I would prefer if we remained neutral in this conflict, we have ventured too far into it with our military support to Ukraine, we even sent F16 trainers over there, this could get ugly for us without any real benefit from it since Ukraine would not do the same if we faced aggression from Turkey, they are in fact best friends with Turkey, so we win nothing but risk to lose a lot if we become a target for Putin and Russia has been historically more useful to us and important for our geopolitical position. They were our allies in any major conflict of the past including ww2. I don't think we would even exist without their wars against the nazis and ottomans.

The real problem with this subforum is that people can't see that we have two equally evil factions that fight for dominance just like every other faction in human history, for them one is evil while the other is not and if you try to tell them that there is no good in this story, you are a Russian troll, they have forgot the wars their country did on africa and middle east for oil, how they exploit the resources over there, they don't even speak about the occupation of cyprus that they sponsored themselves, they forgot that the US saved many nazi criminals from trial and even let them keep all the goods that they stole from the countries they invaded and essentially the normandy invasion was more about saving germany from the soviets than liberating western europe. Get real people, Nato, US, West does not represent freedom, democracy. If US was in Russia's position it would do exactly the same and you wouldn't even comment about it here because when the US does it it's for democracy and liberty. Well there is no way to convince americans that their empire is no special from any before them until it crumbles and they enter into the losing side, then they will realize the harsh reality of things that everyone else has already seen. USA has some notable contributions to mankind but they have done nothing to promote true equality and liberty and be an example for everyone else to follow, we did not have such thing until now. We would not have this war if they didn't try so hard to bring Ukraine under their influence and expand their NATO bases over there. The only one I feel sorry for in this conflict are the Ukrainians who die so that two imperial powers realize their dreams.

[Joszef Kiprich]

So we're back to standard whataboutism...

[Makabreska]

drivel

"tHeRE ArE sOme VERy Bad pEoPLe ON BOtH siDeS"

[Ulmita]

The Greek ambassador there that we evacuated said that the Russians caused the problems and Ukrainians helped them with shelter and food and he did not see any nazis as you say so the ones you saw in tv were more likely propagandists, same goes for the pro-russian newspaper that you read, also there were some Greek-Ukrainians that fought along with the Ukrainian army and we saw them in our parliament, the reality is that none of us here in Greece know the truth about what is going on over there and I personally don't care about the minority over there. They have no business being there, they are not Greeks for me, they offer nothing to our country. They are mostly Eastern Rome empire remnants that are culturally much different than us, some of them can't even speak our language properly. That to be said, I would prefer if we remained neutral in this conflict, we have ventured too far into it with our military support to Ukraine, we even sent F16 trainers over there, this could get ugly for us without any real benefit from it since Ukraine would not do the same if we faced aggression from Turkey, they are in fact best friends with Turkey, so we win nothing but risk to lose a lot if we become a target for Putin and Russia has been historically more useful to us and important for our geopolitical position. They were our allies in any major conflict of the past including ww2. I don't think we would even exist without their wars against the nazis and ottomans.

The real problem with this subforum is that people can't see that we have two equally evil factions that fight for dominance just like every other faction in human history, for them one is evil while the other is not and if you try to tell them that there is no good in this story, you are a Russian troll, they have forgot the wars their country did on africa and middle east for oil, how they exploit the resources over there, they don't even speak about the occupation of cyprus that they sponsored themselves, they forgot that the US saved many nazi criminals from trial and even let them keep all the goods that they stole from the countries they invaded and essentially the normandy invasion was more about saving germany from the soviets than liberating western europe. Get real people, Nato, US, West does not represent freedom, democracy. If US was in Russia's position it would do exactly the same and you wouldn't even comment about it here because when the US does it it's for democracy and liberty. Well there is no way to convince americans that their empire is no special from any before them until it crumbles and they enter into the losing side, then they will realize the harsh reality of things that everyone else has already seen. USA has some notable contributions to mankind but they have done nothing to promote true equality and liberty and be an example for everyone else to follow, we did not have such thing until now. We would not have this war if they didn't try so hard to bring Ukraine under their influence and expand their NATO bases over there.

Amen to that.

Oh and btw, I am leaving this here so the capitalistic audience of this sub forum, can rejoice with the trillions of dollars that they'll be getting their hands on after the war.

Putin is evil (and Ukraine is rich):
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status...082626759?s=19

[Strange One]

Amen to that.

Oh and btw, I am leaving this here so the capitalistic audience of this sub forum, can rejoice with the trillions of dollars that they'll be getting their hands on after the war.

Putin is evil (and Ukraine is rich):
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status...082626759?s=19

When are you going to the front lines comrade?

[Joszef Kiprich]

Lol, quoting Tommy fucking Robinson says it all...
Someone who is an actual neo-nazi.

[Strange One]

Lol, quoting Tommy fucking Robinson says it all...
Someone who is an actual neo-nazi.

But Russia totally hates nazi's, that's the point of the war. Why do they love their opinions so much?

[Ulmita]

When are you going to the front lines comrade?

I ain't. To be honest i keep voting lefties here, that oppose us in being in warmongering organizations like NATO. You should go though, you should like you hate the Russians a lot

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Lol, quoting Tommy fucking Robinson says it all...
Someone who is an actual neo-nazi.

I don't know who the guy is, I just took yhe first twitter search result. There are countless tweets about this.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I ain't. To be honest i keep voting lefties here, that oppose us in being in warmongering organizations like NATO. You should go though, you should like you hate the Russians a lot

If you vote left, why do you quote neo-nazis?

[Strange One]

I ain't. To be honest i keep voting lefties here, that oppose us in being in warmongering organizations like NATO. You should go though, you should like you hate the Russians a lot

No you don't, stop lying.

You love nazi's and you support illegal wars. Cry harder.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I don't know who the guy is, I just took yhe first twitter search result. There are countless tweets about this.

Maybe, just maybe today you learned that you shouldn't use Elon's soapbox as a news source. I just did a quick check and that "story" is almost exclusively shared by far right idiots.

[Corvus]

Imagine being so far left you support the most far right nazi government europe has seen since Hitler.

[Ulmita]

Maybe, just maybe today you learned that you shouldn't use Elon's soapbox as a news source. I just did a quick check and that "story" is almost exclusively shared by far right idiots.

How about just watching what the US senator said instead of trying to derail the conversation using whataboutism?

On other news, the peace summit in Switzerland today is pretty much a bust.

92 countries are going (less than half), some of them are not sending their PMs (some are just sending ambassadors like India) and some that are there will not participate, just observe.

https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/with...718383404.html

This should be a wake up call to everyone in here, and start thinking why more than half of the planet boycott led the event. Are they all "brainwashed Russian shils?"

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Imagine being so far left you support the most far right nazi government europe has seen since Hitler.

In case that you've missed it, I am against western exceptionalism and pro of a multipolar world. NATO needed to expand because the countries in it, need to buy western weapons (2% of their GDP) thus feeding the arms industries trillions of dollars in the expense of human lifes.
Corvus dude, you should go to the front lines and spend some NATO ammunitions dude.

[Jessicka]

Nonsense

Putin is a murderous despot, an actual fascist, providing material and financial support to neo-fascists in the west to destabilise and divide democracies, while committing acts of terrorism and assassination in Europe.

That’s aside from an invasion of Ukraine in an attempt to originally take over the whole country, let’s not forget that failed military objective at the start either, or the continued attempts to assassinate Zelensky.

Russia is already a hostile and violent force to, and in Europe. It frankly has been for years before the invasion. You can’t just declare you’re neutral to that.

[Vampiregenesis]

Imagine being so far left you support the most far right nazi government europe has seen since Hitler.

He doesn't support Putin, none of us do, we are talking about facts and bad things for both sides. You people need to stop to associate criticism to the west as support for Putin.

[Strange One]

He doesn't support Putin, none of us do, we are talking about facts and bad things for both sides. You people need to stop to associate criticism to the west as support for Putin.

Maybe stop supporting Putin and peoples opinion will change?

[Joszef Kiprich]

Yeah I should really trust everything Lindsay Graham says. Dude you must be trolling, because this can't be serious.

[Ulmita]

Yeah I should really trust everything Lindsay Graham says. Dude you must be trolling, because this can't be serious.

Even if Graham is a troll, at the end of the day it came out of the mouth of a very high ranked political official, from the party that sends the most support to one of the parties of the conflict. US citizens ought to be asking him some questions right about now. It looks bad, because it is bad.