Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

No I don't want Ukraine to be enslaved to Russians neither to the west funds/banks that will tear them apart after the war ends, the future doesn't look bright for them, this is the reality, Macron lost in France, Trump will come soon, nationalists are winning everywhere, life will suck for them for a while. I personally think a world war will happen either before November or post 2028 when the next US democrat president is elected. Germany has announced that it is preparing for war and it will be ready by 2029 so, the eu states are in a preparation phase right now for something bigger later. This will turn ugly for the entire europe.

Yeah good luck with your predictions. The evil west seeks to tear Ukraine apart, that's why we're arming them to kill russian invaders. One day you'll learn the "something bigger" simply means the death throes of Putin, that Hitler-wannabe doesn't like losing. But Putin invading a NATO nation won't turn ugly for NATO nations, just Russia.

Congratulations after all for finding the russian opinion of things, you sure scored 100/100 in bringing all the talking points and "russian truths".

[Vampiregenesis]

Yeah good luck with your predictions. The evil west seeks to tear Ukraine apart, that's why we're arming them to kill russian invaders. One day you'll learn the "something bigger" simply means the death throes of Putin, that Hitler-wannabe doesn't like losing. But Putin invading a NATO nation won't turn ugly for NATO nations, just Russia.

Congratulations after all for finding the russian opinion of things, you sure scored 100/100 in bringing all the talking points and "russian truths".

Man do you understand how big of an effect a nuclear strike can have to a tiny European country? Europe is not the US, if this scales further, a lot of damage will be done.

The way you speak you sound like a NATO fanatic fan, you know like the ones who support football teams but for you that is NATO. I didn't know NATO is so popular in Finland or maybe you are not representing the majority? Cmon, you are not immune to damage, none is. A lot of suffering will occur to all of us if this scales further.

[Saradain]

Man do you understand how big of an effect a nuclear strike can have to a tiny European country? Europe is not the US, if this scales further, a lot of damage will be done.

The way you speak you sound like a NATO fanatic fan, you know like the ones who support football teams but for you that is NATO. I didn't know NATO is so popular in Finland or maybe you are not representing the majority? Cmon, you are not immune to damage, none is. A lot of suffering will occur to all of us if this scales further.

NATO became very popular in Finland right after peaceful Russia (sarcasm, btw) decided to start the 2022 part of the invasion, committing war crimes and genocide. Finnish parliament voted and applying for NATO won. That is how democracies work. NATO did not force itself to Finland, the people finnish population voted to represent themselves did their job.

Who could have guessed? I want to live in peace and safety, that makes me a fanatic. Good luck still, with your nuclear fearmongering that was forbidden in this thread several times over.

[Vampiregenesis]

NATO became very popular in Finland right after peaceful Russia (sarcasm, btw) decided to start the 2022 part of the invasion, committing war crimes and genocide. Finnish parliament voted and applying for NATO won. That is how democracies work. NATO did not force itself to Finland, the people finnish population voted to represent themselves did their job.

Who could have guessed? I want to live in peace and safety, that makes me a fanatic. Good luck still, with your nuclear fearmongering that was forbidden in this thread several times over.

Ok I will leave this thread now, I will return back on November unless I get bored in-between. Last time I posted Ukraine conducted its counteroffensive and it supposedly breached the first line of defense of the Russians. Now it is struggling for Kharkiv and is losing village after village. We will see if it turns it around until I return, if you ask me, if this doesn't scale up to a world war with more players participating, I don't think a comeback is possible.

[Saradain]

Ok I will leave this thread now, I will return back to November unless I get bored in-between. Last time I posted Ukraine conducted its counteroffensive and it supposedly breached the first line of defense of the Russians. Now it is struggling for Kharkiv and is losing village after village. We will see if it turns it around until I return, if you ask me, if this doesn't scale up to a world war with more players participating, I don't think a comeback is possible.

Struggling? Ukraine halted Russian offensive to this point:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69025424

Russia not seeking Kharkiv capture, claims Putin

Russia is currently not seeking to capture Ukraine's second-largest city of Kharkiv, President Vladimir Putin has claimed.

"There are no such plans today," he said at the end of his visit to China.
But he stressed that Russian forces were advancing in the north-eastern Kharkiv region to create a "security zone" for Russia's border region.
Mr Putin has spoken before of such a zone, but his public comments have not always reflected his aims in Ukraine.
Ukraine says the front line has stabilised, admitting that Russia has occupied a number of border villages.
Russia launched its offensive in the region last week, and fierce street fighting has been reported for the past several days in the key town of Vovchansk near the Russian border.
On Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russian troops had only managed to advance to the first of Ukraine's three defensive lines in the region.

Sounds like Putin himself disagrees with you. When you come back in November, at least aim to speak a single truthful word per post, for starters.

[Endus]

Well, if US has plans to hurt Russia in the future, would it be easier to do so with a Russia influenced Ukraine or a West influenced Ukraine with NATO bases into it? (even if other NATO countries do not participate into this) I mean it's just pure logic. Putin is not so paranoid about NATO for no reason at all.

If the USA has magical dragon soldiers who can fly through time to attack Russia in the past, would it be easier to attack Russia before the Soviet Union era or after?

Why are we making up absolutely fantastical nonsense hypotheticals?

The USA has no plans to hurt Russia. Open paranoia is not an argument. Your claims are just open delusion, and thus should be summarily dismissed as irrelevant if not intentionally malicious.

[Karreck]

Ok I will leave this thread now, I will return back on November unless I get bored in-between.

This isn't an airport. You do not need to announce your departure.

[Gabriel]

I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location (or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).

The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.

"I'm totally not a Russian shill you guys, but NATO should disband."

[Kaleredar]

I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location

All the countries that joined NATO did so willingly. In fact, two more just did.

Russia can't exactly say that about its little "special operation" in Ukraine, can it?

(or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).

Clearly Russian aggression is something the world needs to be worried about. You can't say "Russia isn't an expansionary threat" when it's actively invading a neighboring country.

Finland and Sweden, for two examples, clearly think you're wrong.

The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.

There is a military alliance between many European countries. However, they've decided they want the United States and other nations in that Alliance as well. It's called... NATO.

[diller]

Don't worry, in the next world war who might occur soon, you as a member of the AUKUS will be send first to die in Russian soil, in the name of King Charles so good British lives won't be hurt. Once a commonwealth, always a commonwealth. I advice you to reconsider your stance.

What kind of drugs are you taking?

[Corvus]

It fascinating how the totally not russian shills are the only ones to keep bringing up nukes and how we must appease russia as they have nukes like they believe only russia has them.

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And Australia fighting for the UK? Yeah, that hasn't been a thing since ww2 when Churchill wanted Australian troops to abandon defending Australia and fight for British interests. The Australian PM said nope and we haven't followed the UKs lead since.

[Wilian]

tactical nukes are coming?

Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.

https://vatniksoup.com/en/nuclear-threats/

We are trembling.

[PhaelixWW]

The level of ignorance among "totally unbiased people" and their understanding of what NATO and AUKUS are is truly staggering. Thinking that either one will call for an offensive deployment of troops is idiotic. One is a defensive pact and the other isn't even about troops at all; it's just a naval technology cooperation agreement.

I mean, what's next? Is NAFTA going to send us to die in China in order to protect our economy from cheap labor?

FFS, educate yourselves. Please.

[Dontrike]

I ain't. To be honest i keep voting lefties here, that oppose us in being in warmongering organizations like NATO. You should go though, you should like you hate the Russians a lot

You almost could've fooled people, but your script writer forgot to take it out before you started to copy/paste.

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He doesn't support Putin, none of us do, we are talking about facts and bad things for both sides. You people need to stop to associate criticism to the west as support for Putin.

See, when you "herp derp both sides" trying to compare the two with "both do bad things" then you have shitty argument. Both sides is a logical fallacy where you try to equate the two and there's no way you're ever going to equate Ukraine with Russia without leaning on the scales in Russia's favor.

[Mayhem]

I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location (or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).

The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.

Ok, and if the US and other countries decide to form a mutual defense pact with the EU, then what?

[Fuiking]

Ok, and if the US and other countries decide to form a mutual defense pact with the EU, then what?

also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?

[Kralljin]

also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?

One can argue about technicalities but for all intents and purposes, East Germany as a state ceased to exist in 1990 and became a part of (West) Germany.
You have some treaties (2+4 Agreement for example) that wasn't ratified until 1991, but i don't think that's really part of the picture.

Essentially, it takes one hell of a generous read to argue that the "1990 borders" means the East / West German border.

[Iphie]

One can argue about technicalities but for all intents and purposes, East Germany as a state ceased to exist in 1990 and became a part of (West) Germany.
You have some treaties (2+4 Agreement for example) that wasn't ratified until 1991, but i don't think that's really part of the picture.

Essentially, it takes one hell of a generous read to argue that the "1990 borders" means the East / West German border.

I mean, it's not as if pootie wouldn't be generous to his own advantage...

[zealo]

also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?

The USSR itself ceased to exist formally in late 1991.

Id read that at minimum as him saying Russia should be allowed to annex Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania.

[Mayhem]

also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?

it does, here's a map from 1990