Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

Will technically count as an opinion, but the Danish Prime Minister believe that Russia doesn't want peace.

Putin and Russia did one mistake, which was to "officially annex" the partially occupied regions. That alone now means Putin cannot have any sort of a deal where he returns the regions back to Ukraine, as according to russian law, that would mean Putin would cede "russian land" to their enemy, which in return...is a political suicide. Putin cannot afford to be seen losing what Russia considers owning.

Ergo, to me, Russia has no real way out.

[Karreck]

d you call me a troll when I take a neutral position and talk bad for either side.

You are taking the Russian position. At least be honest.

[En Sabah Nur]

an aggressive and military alliance

a dangerous alliance that has an agenda against specific countries

NATO is an aggressive alliance.

And you complain when someone might dare to call you a Russian shill...

I'm not even going to touch on the fact you're totally fine with Russia bombing your country simply because its part of NATO and you think it'd be normal for them to do so.

[Vampiregenesis]

Well dumdum, Russia is the one who committed multiple atrocities against european nations, while US committed none. Why should Russia have any friends given their actual history of evil?

Lol, rules for thee but not for me.

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I never said the evil West is a saint? But then, do list actual wrongs that european nations committed, don't bother with UN mandate ones via NATO's help.

You literally deny everything Russia has done and blame people for wanting safety xD

Yeah friend, countries like Lithuania and Latvia will be very safe now, especially after Trump and considering the amount of Russian that live in their territories. Also I want to see how determined these people will be when war arrives in their territory considering how bad the situation is over there with income and so on. The Ukrainians are enthusiast because they envision European Union as a paradise where they will be rich and have a great state and freedom. I want to see their reaction when the war is over and they will have to pay for debts and stuff. Eventually Pro Russian elements will rise over there when they realize what the European Union is not what they thought that it is and they would want to go back to their old lifestyle.

European Union states have not committed atrocities of the same magnitude as the US but they are allies of it and assist it when possible. Again, you take the side of a competitor, you have to accept that you will compete. No free Ukraine for the west.

[Saradain]

Yeah friend, countries like Lithuania and Latvia will be very safe now, especially after Trump and considering the amount of Russian that live in their territories. Also I want to see how determined these people will be when war arrives in their territory considering how bad the situation is over there with income and so on. The Ukrainians are enthusiast because they envision European Union as a paradise where they will be rich and have a great state and freedom. I want to see their reaction when the war is over and they will have to pay for debts and stuff. Eventually Pro Russian elements will rise over there when they realize what the European Union is not what they thought that it is and they would want to go back to their old lifestyle.

European Union states have not committed atrocities of the same magnitude as the US but they are allies of it and assist it when possible. Again, you take the side of a competitor, you have to accept that you will compete. No free Ukraine for the west.

Ah, so you hope war comes for entirely innocent people wanting to live in peace. Guess what, the war would have come to them already in the Baltics if they didn't join NATO. Your true colours are revealed.

Also lol, pretending that life in a russian world is better than in the EU.

Sorry, the west is not gonna compete against Russia in nazism, but in fighting for their freedom and safety. And Russia has no freedom or safety offered for their vassals.

I love how you stopped bothering to make thinly veiled attempts and trying to build an argument after each dismantling of the previous one. No more deception, you want Ukraine to be enslaved.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...in-ukraine-aid

US vice-president Kamala Harris announces $1.5bn in Ukraine aid

US vice-president, Kamala Harris, has pledged more than $1.5bn in aid for Ukraine’s energy sector and its humanitarian situation amid its ongoing war with Russia.

Harris made the announcement at a peace summit in Lucerne, Switzerland, where she met Ukraine president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy. She is expected to address the summit later.

“This war remains an utter failure for (Russian president Vladimir) Putin,” Harris said during a bilateral meeting with Zelenskiy.

“It is in our interest to uphold international norms,” she added, pledging US support for the country.

The $1.5bn includes $500m in new funding for energy assistance and the redirecting of $324m in previously announced funds towards emergency energy infrastructure repair and other needs in Ukraine, the vice-president’s office said.

“These efforts will help Ukraine respond to Russia’s latest attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure by supporting repair and recovery, improving Ukraine’s resilience to energy supply disruptions, and laying the groundwork to repair and expand Ukraine’s energy system,” Harris’ office said.

She also announced more than $379m in humanitarian assistance from the state department and the US Agency for International Development to help refugees and other people affected by the war.

The money is to cover food assistance, health services, shelter, and water, sanitation and hygiene services for millions of Ukrainians.

Harris, who will spend less than 24 hours at the gathering, will be standing in for US president, Joe Biden, at the event. The president will be just ending his participation at the G7 summit in Italy and returning to the US to attend a fundraiser for his reelection campaign in Los Angeles.

Biden met Zelenskiy both at the G7 summit, where they signed a US-Ukraine bilateral security agreement, and in France for events surrounding the 80th anniversary of the second world war D-day invasion.

White House national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, will represent the US at the summit on Sunday and help establish working groups on returning Ukrainian children from Russia and on energy security.

And there's the reason why russian trolls are becoming more active. Keep malding.

[Vampiregenesis]

Ah, so you hope war comes for entirely innocent people wanting to live in peace. Guess what, the war would have come to them already in the Baltics if they didn't join NATO. Your true colours are revealed.

Also lol, pretending that life in a russian world is better than in the EU.

Sorry, the west is not gonna compete against Russia in nazism, but in fighting for their freedom and safety. And Russia has no freedom or safety offered for their vassals.

I love how you stopped bothering to make thinly veiled attempts and trying to build an argument after each dismantling of the previous one. No more deception, you want Ukraine to be enslaved.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...in-ukraine-aid



And there's the reason why russian trolls are becoming more active. Keep malding.

No I don't want Ukraine to be enslaved to Russians neither to the west funds/banks that will tear them apart after the war ends, the future doesn't look bright for them, this is the reality, Macron lost in France, Trump will come soon, nationalists are winning everywhere, life will suck for them for a while. I personally think a world war will happen either before November or post 2028 when the next US democrat president is elected. Germany has announced that it is preparing for war and it will be ready by 2029 or so, the EU states are in a preparation phase right now for something bigger later. This will turn ugly for the entire Europe. I'm pretty sure they won't let Putin keep these territories. There is also the middle east conflict that doesn't want to end.

[Saradain]

No I don't want Ukraine to be enslaved to Russians neither to the west funds/banks that will tear them apart after the war ends, the future doesn't look bright for them, this is the reality, Macron lost in France, Trump will come soon, nationalists are winning everywhere, life will suck for them for a while. I personally think a world war will happen either before November or post 2028 when the next US democrat president is elected. Germany has announced that it is preparing for war and it will be ready by 2029 so, the eu states are in a preparation phase right now for something bigger later. This will turn ugly for the entire europe.

Yeah good luck with your predictions. The evil west seeks to tear Ukraine apart, that's why we're arming them to kill russian invaders. One day you'll learn the "something bigger" simply means the death throes of Putin, that Hitler-wannabe doesn't like losing. But Putin invading a NATO nation won't turn ugly for NATO nations, just Russia.

Congratulations after all for finding the russian opinion of things, you sure scored 100/100 in bringing all the talking points and "russian truths".

[Vampiregenesis]

Yeah good luck with your predictions. The evil west seeks to tear Ukraine apart, that's why we're arming them to kill russian invaders. One day you'll learn the "something bigger" simply means the death throes of Putin, that Hitler-wannabe doesn't like losing. But Putin invading a NATO nation won't turn ugly for NATO nations, just Russia.

Congratulations after all for finding the russian opinion of things, you sure scored 100/100 in bringing all the talking points and "russian truths".

Man do you understand how big of an effect a nuclear strike can have to a tiny European country? Europe is not the US, if this scales further, a lot of damage will be done.

The way you speak you sound like a NATO fanatic fan, you know like the ones who support football teams but for you that is NATO. I didn't know NATO is so popular in Finland or maybe you are not representing the majority? Cmon, you are not immune to damage, none is. A lot of suffering will occur to all of us if this scales further.

[Saradain]

Man do you understand how big of an effect a nuclear strike can have to a tiny European country? Europe is not the US, if this scales further, a lot of damage will be done.

The way you speak you sound like a NATO fanatic fan, you know like the ones who support football teams but for you that is NATO. I didn't know NATO is so popular in Finland or maybe you are not representing the majority? Cmon, you are not immune to damage, none is. A lot of suffering will occur to all of us if this scales further.

NATO became very popular in Finland right after peaceful Russia (sarcasm, btw) decided to start the 2022 part of the invasion, committing war crimes and genocide. Finnish parliament voted and applying for NATO won. That is how democracies work. NATO did not force itself to Finland, the people finnish population voted to represent themselves did their job.

Who could have guessed? I want to live in peace and safety, that makes me a fanatic. Good luck still, with your nuclear fearmongering that was forbidden in this thread several times over.

[Vampiregenesis]

NATO became very popular in Finland right after peaceful Russia (sarcasm, btw) decided to start the 2022 part of the invasion, committing war crimes and genocide. Finnish parliament voted and applying for NATO won. That is how democracies work. NATO did not force itself to Finland, the people finnish population voted to represent themselves did their job.

Who could have guessed? I want to live in peace and safety, that makes me a fanatic. Good luck still, with your nuclear fearmongering that was forbidden in this thread several times over.

Ok I will leave this thread now, I will return back on November unless I get bored in-between. Last time I posted Ukraine conducted its counteroffensive and it supposedly breached the first line of defense of the Russians. Now it is struggling for Kharkiv and is losing village after village. We will see if it turns it around until I return, if you ask me, if this doesn't scale up to a world war with more players participating, I don't think a comeback is possible.

[Saradain]

Ok I will leave this thread now, I will return back to November unless I get bored in-between. Last time I posted Ukraine conducted its counteroffensive and it supposedly breached the first line of defense of the Russians. Now it is struggling for Kharkiv and is losing village after village. We will see if it turns it around until I return, if you ask me, if this doesn't scale up to a world war with more players participating, I don't think a comeback is possible.

Struggling? Ukraine halted Russian offensive to this point:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-69025424

Russia not seeking Kharkiv capture, claims Putin

Russia is currently not seeking to capture Ukraine's second-largest city of Kharkiv, President Vladimir Putin has claimed.

"There are no such plans today," he said at the end of his visit to China.
But he stressed that Russian forces were advancing in the north-eastern Kharkiv region to create a "security zone" for Russia's border region.
Mr Putin has spoken before of such a zone, but his public comments have not always reflected his aims in Ukraine.
Ukraine says the front line has stabilised, admitting that Russia has occupied a number of border villages.
Russia launched its offensive in the region last week, and fierce street fighting has been reported for the past several days in the key town of Vovchansk near the Russian border.
On Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russian troops had only managed to advance to the first of Ukraine's three defensive lines in the region.

Sounds like Putin himself disagrees with you. When you come back in November, at least aim to speak a single truthful word per post, for starters.

[Endus]

Well, if US has plans to hurt Russia in the future, would it be easier to do so with a Russia influenced Ukraine or a West influenced Ukraine with NATO bases into it? (even if other NATO countries do not participate into this) I mean it's just pure logic. Putin is not so paranoid about NATO for no reason at all.

If the USA has magical dragon soldiers who can fly through time to attack Russia in the past, would it be easier to attack Russia before the Soviet Union era or after?

Why are we making up absolutely fantastical nonsense hypotheticals?

The USA has no plans to hurt Russia. Open paranoia is not an argument. Your claims are just open delusion, and thus should be summarily dismissed as irrelevant if not intentionally malicious.

[Karreck]

Ok I will leave this thread now, I will return back on November unless I get bored in-between.

This isn't an airport. You do not need to announce your departure.

[Gabriel]

I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location (or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).

The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.

"I'm totally not a Russian shill you guys, but NATO should disband."

[Kaleredar]

I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location

All the countries that joined NATO did so willingly. In fact, two more just did.

Russia can't exactly say that about its little "special operation" in Ukraine, can it?

(or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).

Clearly Russian aggression is something the world needs to be worried about. You can't say "Russia isn't an expansionary threat" when it's actively invading a neighboring country.

Finland and Sweden, for two examples, clearly think you're wrong.

The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.

There is a military alliance between many European countries. However, they've decided they want the United States and other nations in that Alliance as well. It's called... NATO.

[diller]

Don't worry, in the next world war who might occur soon, you as a member of the AUKUS will be send first to die in Russian soil, in the name of King Charles so good British lives won't be hurt. Once a commonwealth, always a commonwealth. I advice you to reconsider your stance.

What kind of drugs are you taking?

[Corvus]

It fascinating how the totally not russian shills are the only ones to keep bringing up nukes and how we must appease russia as they have nukes like they believe only russia has them.

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And Australia fighting for the UK? Yeah, that hasn't been a thing since ww2 when Churchill wanted Australian troops to abandon defending Australia and fight for British interests. The Australian PM said nope and we haven't followed the UKs lead since.

[Wilian]

tactical nukes are coming?

Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.

https://vatniksoup.com/en/nuclear-threats/

We are trembling.

[PhaelixWW]

The level of ignorance among "totally unbiased people" and their understanding of what NATO and AUKUS are is truly staggering. Thinking that either one will call for an offensive deployment of troops is idiotic. One is a defensive pact and the other isn't even about troops at all; it's just a naval technology cooperation agreement.

I mean, what's next? Is NAFTA going to send us to die in China in order to protect our economy from cheap labor?

FFS, educate yourselves. Please.

[Dontrike]

I ain't. To be honest i keep voting lefties here, that oppose us in being in warmongering organizations like NATO. You should go though, you should like you hate the Russians a lot

You almost could've fooled people, but your script writer forgot to take it out before you started to copy/paste.

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He doesn't support Putin, none of us do, we are talking about facts and bad things for both sides. You people need to stop to associate criticism to the west as support for Putin.

See, when you "herp derp both sides" trying to compare the two with "both do bad things" then you have shitty argument. Both sides is a logical fallacy where you try to equate the two and there's no way you're ever going to equate Ukraine with Russia without leaning on the scales in Russia's favor.