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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location (or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).

    The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.
    "I'm totally not a Russian shill you guys, but NATO should disband."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location
    All the countries that joined NATO did so willingly. In fact, two more just did.

    Russia can't exactly say that about its little "special operation" in Ukraine, can it?

    (or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).
    Clearly Russian aggression is something the world needs to be worried about. You can't say "Russia isn't an expansionary threat" when it's actively invading a neighboring country.

    Finland and Sweden, for two examples, clearly think you're wrong.

    The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.
    There is a military alliance between many European countries. However, they've decided they want the United States and other nations in that Alliance as well. It's called... NATO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    Don't worry, in the next world war who might occur soon, you as a member of the AUKUS will be send first to die in Russian soil, in the name of King Charles so good British lives won't be hurt. Once a commonwealth, always a commonwealth. I advice you to reconsider your stance.
    What kind of drugs are you taking?

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    It fascinating how the totally not russian shills are the only ones to keep bringing up nukes and how we must appease russia as they have nukes like they believe only russia has them.

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    And Australia fighting for the UK? Yeah, that hasn't been a thing since ww2 when Churchill wanted Australian troops to abandon defending Australia and fight for British interests. The Australian PM said nope and we haven't followed the UKs lead since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    tactical nukes are coming?

    Putin issued an ultimatum to Europe and he threatens to take new measures. I think this is very serious.
    https://vatniksoup.com/en/nuclear-threats/

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    The level of ignorance among "totally unbiased people" and their understanding of what NATO and AUKUS are is truly staggering. Thinking that either one will call for an offensive deployment of troops is idiotic. One is a defensive pact and the other isn't even about troops at all; it's just a naval technology cooperation agreement.

    I mean, what's next? Is NAFTA going to send us to die in China in order to protect our economy from cheap labor?

    FFS, educate yourselves. Please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I ain't. To be honest i keep voting lefties here, that oppose us in being in warmongering organizations like NATO. You should go though, you should like you hate the Russians a lot
    You almost could've fooled people, but your script writer forgot to take it out before you started to copy/paste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    He doesn't support Putin, none of us do, we are talking about facts and bad things for both sides. You people need to stop to associate criticism to the west as support for Putin.
    See, when you "herp derp both sides" trying to compare the two with "both do bad things" then you have shitty argument. Both sides is a logical fallacy where you try to equate the two and there's no way you're ever going to equate Ukraine with Russia without leaning on the scales in Russia's favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    I don't cover for Russia. As I said multiple times, they need to withdraw their troops from Ukraine. But NATO should also move the borders back to 1990 location (or even better disband completely as ot has served its purpose. There is no Soviet Union anymore).

    The security of EU should be an EU issue. EU should create a joint military to defend its borders.
    Ok, and if the US and other countries decide to form a mutual defense pact with the EU, then what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Ok, and if the US and other countries decide to form a mutual defense pact with the EU, then what?
    also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?
    One can argue about technicalities but for all intents and purposes, East Germany as a state ceased to exist in 1990 and became a part of (West) Germany.
    You have some treaties (2+4 Agreement for example) that wasn't ratified until 1991, but i don't think that's really part of the picture.

    Essentially, it takes one hell of a generous read to argue that the "1990 borders" means the East / West German border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    One can argue about technicalities but for all intents and purposes, East Germany as a state ceased to exist in 1990 and became a part of (West) Germany.
    You have some treaties (2+4 Agreement for example) that wasn't ratified until 1991, but i don't think that's really part of the picture.

    Essentially, it takes one hell of a generous read to argue that the "1990 borders" means the East / West German border.
    I mean, it's not as if pootie wouldn't be generous to his own advantage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?
    The USSR itself ceased to exist formally in late 1991.

    Id read that at minimum as him saying Russia should be allowed to annex Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    also 1990 border Ulmita mentions, isnt that west/east germany border?
    it does, here's a map from 1990

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gigantique View Post
    Hey now, I'm coming up on 32 and haven't got a clue as to what 88 or 14, 18 etc are referring to specifically

    But then again I don't encounter Nazi sympathisers... Well never here so forgive my sheltered mind. What do they stand for?
    odd..... no one mentioned 14 before you
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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    The USSR itself ceased to exist formally in late 1991.

    Id read that at minimum as him saying Russia should be allowed to annex Estonia/Latvia/Lithuania.
    Don't put words in my mouth please.


    On other news:

    80 countries singed the Swiss peace summit communique
    https://kyivindependent.com/80-count...nt-communique/

    80 countries including Ukraine (so 40% of all countries and waaayy less in terms of population) out of the 92 that participated actually signed it, meaning it's even a bigger bust that initially thought. Draw your own conclusions here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Even if Graham is a troll, at the end of the day it came out of the mouth of a very high ranked political official, from the party that sends the most support to one of the parties of the conflict. US citizens ought to be asking him some questions right about now. It looks bad, because it is bad.
    What "rank" do you think he is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Don't put words in my mouth please.
    Well, then explain why 1990 borders. What is Russia fearing that NATO can do that they couldn't already do? Think of it like this, if NATO is actually the threat Russia states it is then NATO wouldn't allow it anyway. Why is Russia poking them if they are this existential threat? Maybe because it's just bullshit made up to have an excuse to occupy and annex foreign territory.

    Even in 1990 there was NATO right at Russia's borders, to the north and the south, and nothing happened. No aggression towards Russia but lots of aggression from Russia.

    Oh and because it went unchallenged, the 2% is not actually tied to American companies, NATO members are compelled to spend 2% of GDP on the military, what and how is up to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    Don't put words in my mouth please.


    On other news:

    80 countries singed the Swiss peace summit communique
    https://kyivindependent.com/80-count...nt-communique/

    80 countries including Ukraine (so 40% of all countries and waaayy less in terms of population) out of the 92 that participated actually signed it, meaning it's even a bigger bust that initially thought. Draw your own conclusions here.
    Can do. You're full of shit. India, Armenia, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Indonesia, Bahrain, Colombia, South Africa, Thailand, Mexico, and the United Arab Emirates didn't sign. You also "forgot" to mention not all the invitees were nations, but also organizations. Try a math lesson next time, you don't take a percentage of something that wasn't even invited or present for any sort of vote. 100% of non-russian people without the right to vote on russian "elections" on this planet, or any other planet in the universe, didn't vote for Putin. Your logic works very well. But what comes to your math, 87% of the attendees supported the peace summit communique. Resounding success. In Russia, whatever Putin wants, would be supported by 120%...Freedom of choice for your votes is pretty isn't it?

    But hey, keep peddling that the countless masses of 3rd world country people somehow mean Russia is stronk because they are not present in a peace summit...or that they somehow have a big role in world politics.

    Hell, even better...from your same article you also conveniently forgot to mention.

    Countries that have not attended the summit will be able to sign the communique later, Ukraine's Presidential Office head Andriy Yermak said on national television on June 15.
    How's the "gotcha" for the Minsk agreement btw? You fled without replying to multiple different posters to defend your point.
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    Meanwhile how many nations have backed pootie's 'peace' plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    "That's just his birthyear...", right...and the first of April is the day? (1488) or if you write dates differently, the fourth of January? These people aren't even subtle anymore. 18 is another i've seen used, but it's more rare.

    To be sure I recently had to smack down someone saying that those symbols (14, 88, double lightning bolts, swastika and the Black Sun) were only widely known to NAZIs and their sympathizers...that was fun.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    odd..... no one mentioned 14 before you
    I did, a bit hidden but I did.

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