Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Endus]

Well, feyenord guy, they proved that since they conquered Bakhmut but does the west hate wagner at this point? I mean... their leader went against Putin and got assassinated.

Why would we support the neo-nazi mercenaries, again?

[Corvus]

Well, feyenord guy, they proved that since they conquered Bakhmut but does the west hate wagner at this point? I mean... their leader went against Putin and got assassinated.

Their own documents, that got leaked after the prigs death, showed it cost them 20,000 dead to take Bakhmut. Not to mention the maimed and cripple.
That is not an elite force.

[Kaleredar]

Because Zelensky is a US pawn? Do you think the US would send hundreds of billions to a random guy?

Zelensky has already made unfathomable amount of money. I like how they try to arrest Ukrainians in the streets or those who try to flee but they themselves don't go to fight in the front.

Or maybe instead of weird conspiracies, the answer is the simple one... Because Russia is an expansionist dictatorship that had previously stolen Ukrainian land, and was clearly going to attempt to do so again.


My evidence: Russia, invading Ukraine.

[Vampiregenesis]

Why would we support the neo-nazi mercenaries, again?

Do they even exist? I think Putin disbanded them?

[Kaleredar]

I think this guy analyzes your question in this video. His views are very close (mostly) to what I also think of of UKR - RU war. Video is long, but it's a must see imho.

https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4?si=60E8PyICOwCOwqWn

I'm not clicking on that. I don't care about the opinions of random nobody youtubers.

[Benggaul]

This will also be a lie.

Well, feyenord guy, they proved that since they conquered Bakhmut but does the west hate wagner at this point? I mean... their leader went against Putin and got assassinated.

Nailed it. Some trolls just can't help themselves.

[Corvus]

Do they even exist? I think Putin disbanded them?

Nope. They got renamed the Afrika Corp - gosh, imagine a nazi regime using that name. They are running around Africa supporting coups, looting the place like good colonial powers and committing plenty of atrocities.

[postman1782]

I wonder what the Americans will say when Trump arrives and cuts Ukraine aid, I can't picture an American blaming his own state, then lets see the reaction of Europe when that happens, I should really not take the bait and return back on the next US elections.

Trump doesn't get a say, congress does. And I can guarantee at this rate, Trump will never be president again.

[Vankrys]

Because Zelensky is a US pawn? Do you think the US would send hundreds of billions to a random guy?

Zelensky has already made unfathomable amount of money. I like how they try to arrest Ukrainians in the streets or those who try to flee but they themselves don't go to fight in the front.

It's not so much who the US is sending billions to, but why the US is sending billions to. Neutralizing Russia for pennies on the dollar, without risking american lives, it's a golden opportunity. $50 billions is nothing, barely 5% of what the US spends on its military every year. With Russia being taken care of, the US can concentrate its ressource on other threat, principally China and ISIS.

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I wonder what the Americans will say when Trump arrives and cuts Ukraine aid, I can't picture an American blaming his own state, then lets see the reaction of Europe when that happens, I should really not take the bait and return back on the next US elections.

Neither Trump nor Biden can't hold budget voted on by congress. And unlike Trump, the majority of republican on congress are not pro Russia. But even then, Trump will flip flop on this issue as he always does. The military industrial complex will explain to Trump there are billions to be made, and Trump will sign any special approvisionnent bill that comes on his desk.

If anything, trust in the corruption of politicians of all parties, when there is big bucks to be made.

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Nope. They got renamed the Afrika Corp - gosh, imagine a nazi regime using that name. They are running around Africa supporting coups, looting the place like good colonial powers and committing plenty of atrocities.

All the while running propaganda to convince the local population Russia is their savior against neo colonial power like France, UK or the US.

[diller]

I wonder what the Americans will say when Trump arrives and cuts Ukraine aid, I can't picture an American blaming his own state, then lets see the reaction of Europe when that happens, I should really not take the bait and return back on the next US elections.

Not all posters here are American.

[Gorsameth]

It's not so much who the US is sending billions to, but why the US is sending billions to. Neutralizing Russia for pennies on the dollar, without risking american lives, it's a golden opportunities. $50 billions is nothing, barely 5% of what the US spends on its military every year. With Russia being taking cared of, the US can concentrate its ressource on other threat, principally China and ISIS.

The best part is much of the money the US is sending is money that was spend years ago. They are shipping surplus stock and equipment that was going to be replaced anyway.
And US's allies that are sending their older equipment are then ordering newer replacement.

It wouldn't surprise me if the US was indirectly actually earning money off of this conflict in the long term.

[diller]

It wouldn't surprise me if the US was indirectly actually earning money off of this conflict in the long term.

They definitely are because a lot of countries are doing the same and need to buy new weapons which is mostly from the US.

[Vampiregenesis]

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Neither Trump nor Biden can't hold budget voted on by congress. And unlike Trump, the majority of republican on congress are not pro Russia. But even then, Trump will flip flop on this issue as he always does. The military industrial complex will explain to Trump there are billions to be made, and Trump will sign any special approvisionnent bill that comes on his desk.

If anything, trust in the corruption of politicians of all parties, when there is big bucks to be made.

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If that's the case then why the latest aid package was delayed so much which caused Ukraine to lose several areas and destabilized its front?

If that happens now then what do you think will happen during Trump? I don't think everything is as good as you say.

[Vankrys]

They definitely are because a lot of countries are doing the same and need to buy new weapons which is mostly from the US.

Case in point, Poland is replacing part of its F-16 fleet by brand new F-35. And they're not the only one.

[Jessicka]

They definitely are because a lot of countries are doing the same and need to buy new weapons which is mostly from the US.

It also saves those countries a lot of money on scrapping and decommissioning or mothballing equipment that was being replaced anyway.

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If that's the case then why the latest aid package was delayed so much which caused Ukraine to lose several areas and destabilized its front?

If that happens now then what do you think will happen during Trump? I don't think everything is as good as you say.

Russia spent the last 20 years investing in corrupt politicians. They’re implicated in Brexit, and the Conservative government even had an actual “friends of Russia” focus group, which took Russian money and made friends with various oligarchs in return for influence in government. All entirely legal, because Russia wasn’t under sanctions, much of the same happened with the American Republican Party, as well as other right wing parties across Europe. That influence didn’t die over night, and a lot of people want their income back and/or to defend their positions because they’re too stubborn to accept they were wrong. That or they’re so damn partisan and contrarian and that’s what their career is built on.

[Specialka]

So we went from, "He's just a comedian." to "He's a US pawn" based off of...? The US is sending those arms to a nation that's currently making a fool of Russia's military. This thread has discussed at length how hilariously cheap and cost-effective this is for America to supply Ukraine with weapons without putting any Americans in combat. Did you miss all that and how we've joked about how our Cold War-era supplies are beating the USSR's Cold War-era supplies?



I think you're confused: Ukraine is in incredible debt and is reliant on foreign financial aide to simply continue paying bills during wartime. The overwhelming amount of "aid" provided is in supplies - just with the dollar cost of them noted.

It's not different in Russia, and Russia is the aggressor in this war rather than the defender so I'm unsure what kinda weird dunk you think the last bit is.

I think that is what he meant for him being a pawn. The USA are using Ukraine to humiliate Russia.

[Odinfrost]

I think that is what he meant for him being a pawn. The USA are using Ukraine to humiliate Russia.

A pawn would impy that Zelensky is unwittingly being used by the US, which he isn't.
The simple matter of the fact is that Ukraine and the US' interests overlap.

[Specialka]

The best part is much of the money the US is sending is money that was spend years ago. They are shipping surplus stock and equipment that was going to be replaced anyway.
And US's allies that are sending their older equipment are then ordering newer replacement.

It wouldn't surprise me if the US was indirectly actually earning money off of this conflict in the long term.

That is why we really should go for an European Army, so we could kick the US and NATO out of Europe.

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A pawn would impy that Zelensky is unwittingly being used by the US, which he isn't.
The simple matter of the fact is that Ukraine and the US' interests overlap.

This is where we disagree, since I think the US has a part in "provoking" Russia (though they did not need much but still).

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

When did Australia invade Russia? Really keen on this answer.

Roughly a hundred years ago, see :

Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War, the Aussies were reportedly part of those that landed in Arkhangelsk.

[Gorsameth]

That is why we really should go for an European Army, so we could kick the US and NATO out of Europe.

No........