Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

You know, he is probaly dead . And his decoy took his place. He was very sick a while ago.

That's a conspiracy theory...one I would NOT be surprised if it turned out to be true. It sounds kookamanie enough to be true.

[Edge-]

So the problem with that is in politics, saying you want to murder someone outright obviously undermines any attempts at diplomacy or negotiating.

How do you figure actual assassination attempts impact attempts at diplomacy or negotiating?

[Skjaldborg]

Why would you assume that diplomacy is on the table? Are you in the habit of appeasing people who break into your home, kill your parents or children, set up a tent in your living room, and are trying to break down your locked bathroom door to kill you, too?

[Poopymonster]

In response to the recent attacks, Zelenksy outright says he wants to kill Putin

"I am a father, I am a president, I am a human," Zelenskyy said.

"When you see these people, parents, when their children die, at such moments you want to kill Putin."

The president also expressed his belief that the Russians struck the hospital before NATO summit in Washington on purpose to send a certain "signal."

Leader of invaded nation hopes leader of invading nation dies.
In other news: Water is wet. Sun shines.

My Sister in Cher. It's not funny anymore. It's like watching an over the hill pornstar stay limp.
Funny at first, but after a while, even him trying is just sad. Flogging his log to no avail. Watching him beseech some higher power to make his mushroom rise like a cloud in the sky. It's just depressing.
Get help.

[Lahis]

But then i guess Russa would have to make Nod as response (russan + north korea + iran + some other country)

Well NOD was raised from the ashes of the Soviet Union so it fits. Now we only need an alien terraforming crystal to hit the planet.

[Endus]

So the problem with that is in politics, saying you want to murder someone outright obviously undermines any attempts at diplomacy or negotiating. About 1.5 years ago, even Joe Biden implied he never wants Zelenksy to meet face-to-face out of an assumed belief he will try to tear him apart with his bare hands. Well, now we know for sure he would do it.

Fuck "negotiation". Russia can back off completely out of both Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea, gaining nothing they've taken since 2014, they can pay reparations to Ukraine for the unnecessary harm inflicted, and they can be happy that this'll be the end to it.

You can't trust Russia in negotiations. They violate treaties and their word means less than nothing at this point.

Zelensky could meet Putin and proceed to drown Putin in a toilet Zelensky had just filled with his own shit, and we'd applaud the good service Zelensky provided to the world. Nothing of value would be lost.

[YUPPIE]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

[Gorsameth]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

... thats the best you have? questioning why people in Russia's pocket are saying Ukraine should surrender?

F off.

[Iphie]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

Because they're idiots or in the pocket of putin? Seriously, that's your best shot?

[noidentity]

iM jUsT aSkInG qUeStIoNs!1one

Dumb questions as always pretending to not understand people sympathetic only care about Russia's interests who can easily stop this war today and leave.

[Endus]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

Simple.

They're pro-Russia simps, for various deficiencies of basic moral or ethical character.

"If Hitler was such a bad guy, why was Henry Ford a fan, huh?"

You have the worst frickin' arguments, dude.

[Lahis]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

They're playing the game on Russian team.

Russia doesn't want to negotiate, trhey want to conguer and destroy Ukraine. Any ceasefire will be just that: a simple ceasefire Russia will use to regroup, resupply and re-engage. Only after Ukraine has been completely conquered will they have met their goals.

[Jessicka]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

Because Putin’s such a good buddy to Trump that he paid some hookers to piss on him.

[Elder Millennial]

So the problem with that is in politics, saying you want to murder someone outright obviously undermines any attempts at diplomacy or negotiating. About 1.5 years ago, even Joe Biden implied he never wants Zelenksy to meet face-to-face out of an assumed belief he will try to tear him apart with his bare hands. Well, now we know for sure he would do it.

There's no scenario where Zelensky and Putin would meet face to face to discuss anything. Zelensky tried that with Putin, he met Putin hosted by Macron, he was elected as an appeaser.

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.ne...T-1024x683.jpg

There's been a couple of genocides, hundreds of thousands of dead and mutilated between then and now.

Any negotiations would be conducted through delegations of experts.

And by the way...the Ukrainians tried that too...that was a waste of time too.

[Dontrike]

So the problem with that is in politics, saying you want to murder someone outright obviously undermines any attempts at diplomacy or negotiating. About 1.5 years ago, even Joe Biden implied he never wants Zelenksy to meet face-to-face out of an assumed belief he will try to tear him apart with his bare hands. Well, now we know for sure he would do it.

Pretty sure the one undermining any piece is Putin, but why look at facts when you can say something not smart instead?

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so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

Could be that TRUMP IS PUTIN'S COCK HOLSTER, that might be fucking why.

[Mayhem]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

The logic behind Trump and Orban?

There is none, it's just money, they're both grifters.

[diller]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

There isn't any aside from stroking their egos as 'peacemakers'

[Flarelaine]

The logic behind Trump and Orban?

There is none, it's just money, they're both grifters.

In Orbán's case it's more about his ego, he desparately wants to be important.

[Gabriel]

so like, if negotiations are pointless, explain the rationale or logic behind figures like Trump and Orban that say Ukraine should just agree to some conditional deal

Trump and Orban are paid/extorted by Russia.

[Mayhem]

In Orbán's case it's more about his ego, he desparately wants to be important.

That's probably also Trump's reason. So both have a Napoleon complex?