1. #39581
    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Ok Russia can declare whatever the fuck It wants. How do you suspect Russia would wage said war?
    war crimes, basically, the crux of how Russia wages war. That raping, pillaging, kidnapping, indiscriminate bombing and use of illegal bombs and chemical munitions you see in Ukraine would be applied to Western civilization (albeit not to the same success).

    no one wants that.

  2. #39582
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    no one wants to annex Russia, but if we decide to go to war with them (which will result in them going full psycho) and it ends with their defeat, they WILL be occupied let's not kid ourselves.
    Why would we? I'm perfectly content on letting them wallow in shit in the resulting heap of ruble for the next couple centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    war crimes, basically, the crux of how Russia wages war. That raping, pillaging, kidnapping, indiscriminate bombing and use of illegal bombs and chemical munitions you see in Ukraine would be applied to Western civilization (albeit not to the same success).

    no one wants that.
    If Russia decides to indiscriminately bomb a NATO country, do you think we will shy away from doing the same to Russia, just hundred times worse?

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    Don't give YUPPIE masturbation-fodder.

  4. #39584
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Why would we? I'm perfectly content on letting them wallow in shit in the resulting heap of ruble for the next couple centuries.
    like Japan, it's to bring them back to civilized society on paper and liberate them from their regimes. on a darker note, political and militaristic reasons would also be in play of course (see Japan-China relations).

    but given this would all be happening in a hypothetical "what if we went all-out supporting Ukraine" scenario, it'd also be after Russia...you know

  5. #39585
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    but given this would all be happening in a hypothetical "what if we went all-out supporting Ukraine" scenario, it'd also be after Russia...you know
    It would be after Russia not launching it's nukes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    Russia officially declares war on the West, specifically the US, of course.

    Don't think our very angry modern citizens in a time of economic crisis would be happy with Biden if he decided to drag us into a war with a superpower when we had enough trouble with third-world Islamic terrorists.
    Russia is not, in any respect of any kind whatsoever, a "superpower".


  7. #39587
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Russia is not, in any respect of any kind whatsoever, a "superpower".
    Reality disagrees with you. They may not be the "superpower" they were aka USSR, but they are still up there though a bit behind the top three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Reality disagrees with you. They may not be the "superpower" they were aka USSR, but they are still up there though a bit behind the top three.
    Pretty much every metric in the modern era shows the only extant superpower to be the USA.

    Russia is more akin to the UK. An ex-superpower who has lost nearly all the reach they used to hold which justified the Soviet Union holding the title.


  9. #39589
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    war crimes, basically, the crux of how Russia wages war. That raping, pillaging, kidnapping, indiscriminate bombing and use of illegal bombs and chemical munitions you see in Ukraine would be applied to Western civilization (albeit not to the same success).

    no one wants that.
    Listen. I'll ask again. But I'll ask like you were a mentally ill alcoholic.

    Russia, cannot beat Ukraine in a conventional war. It has been either retreating or deadlocked for 2 years.

    How is Russia going to do anything to NATO? Nukes are off the table. So what is it going to do? It has no Navy to speak off. Whatever armor it can fix up is all in Ukraine. Every single base along the NATO border has been hollowed out and the troops sent to Ukraine.

    So what is Russia going to do to wage war on NATO?

    WITH WHAT FUCKING FORCES?

  10. #39590
    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Listen. I'll ask again. But I'll ask like you were a mentally ill alcoholic.

    Russia, cannot beat Ukraine in a conventional war. It has been either retreating or deadlocked for 2 years.

    How is Russia going to do anything to NATO? Nukes are off the table. So what is it going to do? It has no Navy to speak off. Whatever armor it can fix up is all in Ukraine. Every single base along the NATO border has been hollowed out and the troops sent to Ukraine.

    So what is Russia going to do to wage war on NATO?

    WITH WHAT FUCKING FORCES?
    Unicorns and fairies That are the forces they have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elder Millennial View Post
    Listen. I'll ask again. But I'll ask like you were a mentally ill alcoholic.
    Unfortunately, Yuppers tends to shut down/ignore posts that force him to make connection with reality.
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

  12. #39592
    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Reality disagrees with you. They may not be the "superpower" they were aka USSR, but they are still up there though a bit behind the top three.
    And yet there were considered #2 until three days ago. Weird how they dropped drastically like that, I wonder what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Pretty much every metric in the modern era shows the only extant superpower to be the USA.

    Russia is more akin to the UK. An ex-superpower who has lost nearly all the reach they used to hold which justified the Soviet Union holding the title.
    Russia is even questionably a regional power.

    The very definition of "powers" is the ability to project their power(economic, social, political, military), locally, regionally, globally. Super-power simply means the ability to do that quickly, easily, and in large amounts.

    These are pretty simple definitions anyone can work with. Russia has difficulty projecting their power locally. Not to say they can't at all, but it isn't much, and can't affect many. At best they are a "regional power". They have significant economic influence in the region, as well as some political influence. This influence does not extend beyond the immediate area. More distant nations where they have influence (Brazil, India, South Africa, aka: BRICS nations) are well insulated from Russia's political, economic and military power either by distance, other allies, or their own economic and social power.

    China is arguably a world power, at least economically. They lack the ability to project military power beyond their region, and their political and social power is largely regional. They have more projection politically and socially thanks to Western-based companies wanting their money and those companies adjusting their international behavior, products and services to make the Chinese government happy. But a number of nations qualify by this metric, India, Germany, UK, France, Japan, S Korea, among others.

    There are few nations that can do ALL the things, social influence, economic influence, political influence, military influence regionally much less globally which is exactly what makes a nation a "global super-power", being able to do ALL the things, to have their influence felt in any nation they choose by any means they choose whenever they choose.

    Russia most decidedly LACKS that level of power.
    "Winning? Is that what you think it’s about? I’m not trying to win. I’m not doing this because I want to beat someone, or because I hate someone, or because I want to blame someone. It’s not because it’s fun. God knows it’s not because it’s easy. It’s not even because it works because it hardly ever does.. I DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE IT’S RIGHT! Because it’s decent! And above all, it’s kind! It’s just that.. Just kind."

  14. #39594
    this is the last time im gonna repeat myself on this matter, but the point is, russia can cause a LOT of damage to civilian interests before they go down. Metaphorically, it would be like special forces inappropriately handling a hostage bomber; he's gonna lose and die yeah but he might kill everyone he's holding hostage. That's why we don't escalate. nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    this is the last time im gonna repeat myself on this matter,
    More lies and broken promises.

  16. #39596
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    but given this would all be happening in a hypothetical "what if we went all-out supporting Ukraine" scenario, it'd also be after Russia...you know
    Dude, your "you know" is never going to happen. 99.9999999% chance that Putin falls out a window onto a bunch of bullets if he ever attempts to "you know", as while he may be a deranged lunatic willing to risk it (though I doubt even he's dumb enough to take that step), I guarantee the people down the chain of command aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    this is the last time im gonna repeat myself on this matter, but the point is, russia can cause a LOT of damage to civilian interests before they go down. Metaphorically, it would be like special forces inappropriately handling a hostage bomber; he's gonna lose and die yeah but he might kill everyone he's holding hostage. That's why we don't escalate. nothing more.
    So? This is the same "logic" as bailing out big corporations that were collapsing under decades of mismanagement. Yeah, lotta damage, but also room for something better.
    "Winning? Is that what you think it’s about? I’m not trying to win. I’m not doing this because I want to beat someone, or because I hate someone, or because I want to blame someone. It’s not because it’s fun. God knows it’s not because it’s easy. It’s not even because it works because it hardly ever does.. I DO WHAT I DO BECAUSE IT’S RIGHT! Because it’s decent! And above all, it’s kind! It’s just that.. Just kind."

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    this is the last time im gonna repeat myself on this matter, but the point is, russia can cause a LOT of damage to civilian interests before they go down. Metaphorically, it would be like special forces inappropriately handling a hostage bomber; he's gonna lose and die yeah but he might kill everyone he's holding hostage. That's why we don't escalate. nothing more.
    Again, nobody's scared of Russia. There's no "escalation" because he poses no real threat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    Reality disagrees with you. They may not be the "superpower" they were aka USSR, but they are still up there though a bit behind the top three.
    How's the 3-day operation going?

  20. #39600
    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    this is the last time im gonna repeat myself on this matter
    I wish I could trust you...

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