Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

Greece is a NATO member. A strike on Greece is a strike on NATO, triggering Article 5.

Do you really think Russia, still bogged down in Ukraine two and a half years later, can also fight against NATO forces simultaneously?

Sounds like you should just move to Russia if you're so scared of Russia. Though I must warn you, living in Russia is very much no protection against Russia, either.

NATO are five countries, US, Canada, UK, France, Germany - the Saxon alliance, everyone else is pretty much a fodder meat for them and racially inferior. Now, if these inferior insignificant countries are trying hard to prove how good dogs they are, that's a dream situation for the saxon because they can sacrifice the fodder. It's the reason they are forcing us to send F-16 to Ukraine and antiair systems even though we are much smaller than them.

Putin can send some planes and bomb us and nothing will happen, they will a find a way to deescalate or blame it into something else, Putin is exploiting this, that's why he is doing war in the first place because he knows very well that none is going to react seriously to it unless a prime saxon target is hit. Putin of course still has no reason to attack our country.

I can't believe there are people who still consider article 5 legit.

[PhaelixWW]

There are US nukes everywhere but I don't know the specifics of them, of course they can't be used by the countries that have them and the countries lack the capabilities to cause harm to Russia with them. Russia will never allow a neighbor to have such capabilities.

Russia doesn't have the authority, real or perceived, to prevent it. They never did. The nuclear sharing program has been in place since shortly after the inception of NATO.

They complained about the base and it is seen by them as an attempt to hurt them

Yes, Russia is adept at complaints. But they only strong-arm those significantly weaker than they are.

And they're not having the kind of success in Ukraine that they expected, which is absolutely showcasing how weak they really are.

It's hilarious to say that you are closer to Russia because of Alaska, you will have to cross the entire planet until you reach the important part of Russia which all is on Europe.

It's hilarious that you think that a small airport training F-16s in Greece is some meaningful threat to Russia when there are several NATO countries and even some NATO nuclear weapons closer than said airport.

Russia is gigantic but the south part is very close to our country, not that far away from Turkey, if Russia is next to Turkey then I guess it makes sense that it's very close to us as well correct?

Not closer than Finland, Norway, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey.

I don't care anyway what you think, I only hope this doesn't escalate into something worse.

Yes, you're very "concerned". We get it.

[alach]

NATO are five countries, US, Canada, UK, France, Germany - the Saxon alliance, everyone else is pretty much a fodder meat for them and racially inferior. Now, if these inferior insignificant countries are trying hard to prove how good dogs they are, that's a dream situation for the saxon because they can sacrifice the fodder. It's the reason they are forcing us to send F-16 to Ukraine and antiair systems even though we are much smaller than them.

Putin can send some planes and bomb us and nothing will happen, they will a find a way to deescalate or blame it into something else, Putin is exploiting this, that's why he is doing war in the first place because he knows very well that none is going to react seriously to it.

I can't believe there are people who still consider article 5 legit.

Seriously?? Where is your information coming from?
I find it hard to believe a few years of austerity degraded Greek schools to this level.

[PhaelixWW]

NATO are five countries, US, Canada, UK, France, Germany - the Saxon alliance, everyone else is pretty much a fodder meat for them and racially inferior. Now, if these inferior insignificant countries are trying hard to prove how good dogs they are, that's a dream situation for the saxon because they can sacrifice the fodder. It's the reason they are forcing us to send F-16 to Ukraine and antiair systems even though we are much smaller than them.

Putin can send some planes and bomb us and nothing will happen, they will a find a way to deescalate or blame it into something else, Putin is exploiting this, that's why he is doing war in the first place because he knows very well that none is going to react seriously to it unless a prime saxon target is hit. Putin of course still has no reason to attack our country.

I can't believe there are people who still consider article 5 legit.

Wow. Just... wow. This is some real conspiracy theory bullshit, right here.

[Vampiregenesis]

Seriously?? Where is your information coming from?
I find it hard to believe a few years of austerity degraded Greek schools to this level.

Man, people died in Poland in a incident with a Russian rocket, where is your article 5?

None cares about what a paper and a signature says these days.

[En Sabah Nur]

This is what irrational paranoia looks like.

[PhaelixWW]

Man, people died in Poland in a incident with a Russian rocket, where is your article 5?

Poland disagrees.

Reuters: Polish experts confirm missile that hit grain facility was Ukrainian

Sources with knowledge of the investigation told Rzeczpospolita that Poland had established that the missile that landed in the village of Przewodow was an S 300 5-W-55 air-defence missile fired from Ukrainian territory.

"This rocket has a range of 75 km to 90 km," the newspaper cited a source as saying. "At that time, the Russian positions were in a place from which no Russian missile could reach Przewodow."

[alach]

Man, people died in Poland in a incident with a Russian rocket, where is your article 5?

None cares about what a paper and a signature says these days.

In no way was that an attack. It would have been within Polands right to respond though, which is why they signed a air defence pact with Ukraine recently.

[Nymrohd]

The Greece propaganda station apparently is very low budget.

Yeah I've had to block so much crap. It is very much a volume over quality

[Edge-]

NATO are five countries, US, Canada, UK, France, Germany - the Saxon alliance, everyone else is pretty much a fodder meat for them and racially inferior. Now, if these inferior insignificant countries are trying hard to prove how good dogs they are, that's a dream situation for the saxon because they can sacrifice the fodder. It's the reason they are forcing us to send F-16 to Ukraine and antiair systems even though we are much smaller than them.

Putin can send some planes and bomb us and nothing will happen, they will a find a way to deescalate or blame it into something else, Putin is exploiting this, that's why he is doing war in the first place because he knows very well that none is going to react seriously to it unless a prime saxon target is hit. Putin of course still has no reason to attack our country.

I can't believe there are people who still consider article 5 legit.

Ok so we're just making shit up and screaming at a wall then, gotcha.

[Vampiregenesis]

Poland disagrees.

Reuters: Polish experts confirm missile that hit grain facility was Ukrainian

And are you sure that Poland didn't agree to say this in order to deescalate?

And is it not Russia's fault anyway? Ukraine was reacting to Russia's aggression, this aggression was dangerous enough to cause this accident, is this not a reason to invoke article 5?

Article 5 could potentially be triggered if a NATO country is threatened with land invasion and could potentially be taken over but this mostly because these countries are USA dogs anyway so it will be like the USA is losing ground of influence and control. Even then I don't think that these smallish baltic countries are important enough. Greece could perhaps be important enough because we are very close to Israel.

[Calfredd]

And are you sure that Poland didn't agree to say this in order to deescalate?

And is it not Russia's fault anyway? Ukraine was reacting to Russia's aggression, this aggression was dangerous enough to cause this accident, is this not a reason to invoke article 5?

Article 5 could potentially be triggered if a NATO country is threatened with land invasion and could potentially be taken over but this mostly because these countries are USA dogs anyway so it will be like the USA is losing ground of influence and control. Even then I don't think that these smallish baltic countries are important enough. Greece could perhaps be important enough because we are very close to Israel.

You can stop pretending to care or that you matter more than you do (your location, that is).

[PhaelixWW]

And are you sure that Poland didn't agree to say this in order to deescalate?

Like I said...

This is some real conspiracy theory bullshit, right here.

Also, it's not even a good conspiracy theory if it implies that the country that was hit has to agree to lie in order to deescalate.

And is it not Russia's fault anyway? Ukraine was reacting to Russian's aggression, these aggression was dangerous enough to cause this accident, is this not a reason to invoke article 5?

Sure, it's Russia's fault. And no, it's not enough to trigger Article 5, because it was an accident, not an armed attack. That's a huge difference.

Article 5 could potentially be triggered if a NATO country is threatened with land invasion and could potentially be taken over...

No, Article 5 stipulates "armed attack" not "threats".

...but this mostly because these countries are USA dogs anyway so it will be ike the USA is losing ground of influence and control.

Aaaaand we're back to baseless paranoid conspiracy theory nonsense.

[Belize]

Wow. Just... wow. This is some real conspiracy theory bullshit, right here.

Not exactly surprising

Because Zelensky is a US pawn? Do you think the US would send hundreds of billions to a random guy?

Zelensky has already made unfathomable amount of money. I like how they try to arrest Ukrainians in the streets or those who try to flee but they themselves don't go to fight in the front.

[Edge-]

And are you sure that Poland didn't agree to say this in order to deescalate?

And is it not Russia's fault anyway? Ukraine was reacting to Russia's aggression, this aggression was dangerous enough to cause this accident, is this not a reason to invoke article 5?

Article 5 could potentially be triggered if a NATO country is threatened with land invasion and could potentially be taken over but this mostly because these countries are USA dogs anyway so it will be like the USA is losing ground of influence and control. Even then I don't think that these smallish baltic countries are important enough. Greece could perhaps be important enough because we are very close to Israel.

Wait, you're upset that NATO hasn't gone to war with Russia?

Can you make up your damned mind?

[Vampiregenesis]

Not exactly surprising

Wait, do you deny that Zelensky is a pawn of the US? that's not even a conspiracy, it's a fact.

If something is not following the US narrative it's either a conspiracy, paranoia or whataboutism, ok I get it. This forum has always been like this anyway.

[Belize]

Wait, do you deny that Zelensky is a pawn of the US? that's not even a conspiracy, it's a fact.

If something is not following the US narrative it's either a conspiracy, paranoia or whataboutism, ok I get it. This forum has always been like this anyway.

Lol .

[Vampiregenesis]

Wait, you're upset that NATO hasn't gone to war with Russia?

Can you make up your damned mind?

What if these rockets killed US citizens? or perhaps Israeli citizens?

Would it have the same significance as when they killed Polish citizens?

Please don't tell me yes, you know it's not true.

Anyway guys, even Zelensky said it himself, when Israel was attacked by Iran the entire NATO intercept the missles and Israel is not a member of NATO, the same doesn't happen in Ukraine.

Can we agree that some are viewed as more important than others? and that some opponents are easier to fight than others? article 5 means so little if you take into account all of this.

[PhaelixWW]

Wait, do you deny that Zelensky is a pawn of the US? that's not even a conspiracy, it's a fact.

I can't even fathom why any intelligent person would consider Zelensky a pawn of the US.

And it's not a fact just because you said so, sorry.

[YUPPIE]

No, it really isn't.

Conventional warfare doesn't always jump to the conclusion of nukes (aka MAD) but Putin's war against Ukraine by design is one against the West as a whole. Ukraine is a stepping stone for resources to facilitate a war against NATO and the West, to restore Russian supremacy back to Soviet times.

Others in on it include North Korea, Iran, and China, and their minor allies, all of which have a significant vendetta against peculiar US allies if not the US itself. North Korea wants to destroy South Korea, Iran with Israel (and obtain total regional dominance by also destroying Saudi Arabia, etc), and China wants Taiwan as a similar stepping stone to Ukraine to inevitably challenge Western dominance in a real war.

Nukes are just a psychological leverage superpowers like Russia and China have for annexing small countries step by step for now.