Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Vampiregenesis]

I dunno, I feel like it's pretty good at self-policing. The nonsense is usually assaulted by evidence and facts instead of just being ignored. Would these people realize how strange their theories were if they had just been banned?

Dude, are we not allowed to have an opinion?

What is this forum? a news forum only?

If I praised Biden and blamed Putin, would you ban me as well? or that's not propaganda?

[Nymrohd]

Here is the thing. You are all convinced these people are wittingly pushing propaganda because they are somehow Russian assets or something. Which I am sorry but is vastly more deranged than them simply believing this crap. Hating NATO is a Greek leftwing past time. Nearly 60% unfavourable! Chances are that anyone left of center loathes NATO and many others are at least distrustful of it. Russophile attitudes are hard to change as well. You cannot imagine how many people were obsessing with Russia saving us from the financial crisis as if Putin gave a shit. It was vastly better before the current war and it is bouncing back since "It is all NATO and the US' fault" just works well to people who hate NATO already.

[Calfredd]

Dude, are we not allowed to have an opinion?

What is this forum? a news forum only?

If I praised Biden and blamed Putin, would you ban me as well? or that's not propaganda?

It is not propaganda because Putin started this war and it is up to him to finish it by pulling out.

[Vampiregenesis]

Here is the thing. You are all convinced these people are wittingly pushing propaganda because they are somehow Russian assets or something. Which I am sorry but is vastly more deranged than them simply believing this crap. Hating NATO is a Greek leftwing past time. Nearly 60% unfavourable! Chances are that anyone left of center loathes NATO and many others are at least distrustful of it. Russophile attitudes are hard to change as well. You cannot imagine how many people were obsessing with Russia saving us from the financial crisis as if Putin gave a shit. It was vastly better before the current war and it is bouncing back since "It is all NATO and the US' fault" just works well to people who hate NATO already.

Because the European Union and German loans saved us right?

Our country was great prior the EU and Eurozone with an advancing infrastructure and well performing economy and now it's second poorest in the EU and it's impossible for anyone to live here, our country has been sold to Germans and we have been turned into slaves into an unhabitable jungle of refugees, debt, where our best minds are fleeing en masse and the fun fact, we pay them in order to be able to study for free.

But let me guess, you are not deranged right? for you this is normalization just like the west is trying to teach you, now they want to involve you into the Ukraine war and potentially damage you even though you will have no gain from it. Your field marshals are saying it every time, if something bad happens we will be alone, why the fuck now we are getting involved in the turkophile Ukraine? Since we will be alone anyway, what do we gain from it?

I want one thing, my fucking country back, I want to be like New Zealand or Iceland, away from anyone and everything, doing my thing the way I want, for me my occupiers is not Putin and Russia but the west and their pawns that are using against us. I don't want to spend billions on my military when I'm so small and poor, I don't want to pay for products at the same price that a german does since my wages are lower, I don't want foreigners to steal my homes and inflate my rent, I don't want to be part of a USA war, I don't want to lose the best scientist of my country to the west.

[Popastique]

Still doesn't make Zelensky a "pawn". Neither the US nor the EU in any way control Zelensky

Had a good laugh, thanks

[En Sabah Nur]

I take it back, none of this is paranoia.

[alach]

I take it back, none of this is paranoia.

Me too. Ban away mods. Ban away.

[Vankrys]

Just accept Ukraine's place in modern history for what it is: a major proxy to weaken one of the West's most hated enemies.

That really is Russia's own doing. If Russia didn't invade Ukraine 2 years ago, Russia standing in the world would not have been so damaged, Russian military would still be respected and international sanctions would not have happened. Not to mention, hundred of thousands of high tech workers would not have left Russia.

Also, Putin's government has seized many foreign assets, and force many foreign companies out of Russia. It is going to be hard to convince them to come back and re-invest billions in Russia.

Surely you don't think NATO would have attacked Russia if Putin didn't give the order to invade Ukraine in 2022. There is no interest from the west to start a war with Russia. Russia was never under any risk of an attack by the west. This is not a defensive war, this is an imperialism war, this is a land grab.

[Calfredd]

Our country was great prior the EU and Eurozone with an advancing infrastructure

Pretty sure Greece was in decline before the EU so want to try again?

[Kaleredar]

Because the European Union and German loans saved us right?

Our country was great prior the EU and Eurozone with an advancing infrastructure and well performing economy and now it's second poorest in the EU and it's impossible for anyone to live here, our country has been sold to Germans and we have been turned into slaves into an unhabitable jungle of refugees, debt, where our best minds are fleeing en masse and the fun fact, we pay them in order to be able to study for free.

But let me guess, you are not deranged right? for you this is normalization just like the west is trying to teach you, now they want to involve you into the Ukraine war and potentially damage you even though you will have no gain from it. Your field marshals are saying it every time, if something bad happens we will be alone, why the fuck now we are getting involved in the turkophile Ukraine? Since we will be alone anyway, what do we gain from it?

Try telling the Greeks in the early 1940s that alliances are useless. Tell them that the land war in Europe won’t affect them, and that the US and UK were just stirring up trouble in the region. Hell, wasn’t it the big bad US mismanagement that caused the Great Depression in the 1930s? That impacted the whole world! What use have the Greeks for the US and Britain?

Besides, what’s the worst that little ol’ 1940s Germany could do? What would they want with Greece? They only want Poland and France, right!?

Tell them that Greece will be completely uninvolved.



Modern day Russia is Nazi Germany, for all intents and purposes. Try framing your every thought and complaint with that context in mind.

[Vampiregenesis]

Pretty sure Greece was in decline before the EU so want to try again?

Never again before we faced so much depression, the people are so toxic these days, it's very hard to recognize them.

[Nymrohd]

I take it back, none of this is paranoia.

It's why I am doing remote work jobs only. Imagine this and vaccine denial on the daily. And ofc, sloppy filing.

[Belize]

Never again before we faced so much depression, the people are so toxic these days, it's very hard to recognize them.

Depression is the EUs fault?

[Calfredd]

Never again before we faced so much depression, the people are so toxic these days, it's very hard to recognize them.

Again, before the EU so... third time's the charm? Or do you want to keep blaming other people for your own problems like you have been doing both as a country and as a poster, Aizen?

[alach]

Are you speaking of the greco-italian war which I just learned about as a foreigner visiting a Greek museum in which Greece was attacked first unfairly with nonsense propaganda and demanded to concede land by a fascist nieghbour?
Hmm.

Also Greece got themselves into the debt crisis before the EU and although it was painful austerity they are now one fastest growing economies around. Something to be proud of, really.

[Vampiregenesis]

It's why I am doing remote work jobs only. Imagine this and vaccine denial on the daily. And ofc, sloppy filing.

You are doing remote job work just like me because the wages here are terrible and none can survive with them. Luckily digital nomadism has saved me from the worst fate that others endure. This is why I can live alone, I wouldn't be able to do this otherwise.

Are you speaking of the greco-italian war which I just learned about as a foreigner visiting a Greek museum in which Greece was attacked first unfairly with nonsense propaganda and demanded to concede land by a fascist nieghbour?
Hmm.

Also Greece got themselves into the debt crisis before the EU and although it was painful austerity they are now one fastest growing economies around. Something to be proud of, really.

This is propaganda of the EU in order to support the central right party here. You see this party rules Europe now and they do their best to support their allies no matter how bad they perform.

Back on 1940 we had a free, proud and independent country with relative good living conditions and a very strong leader, the people were proud to be part of it and fight for it. The Germans decimated everything and stole our wealth, they do the same these days through other means but we no longer have the spirit that we did have back then.

If Putin invaded Greece now, trust me, none would even try to resist, I don't think the people care anymore for this ruined place. This is why it's somewhat weird for most of us, wtf are doing with Ukraine, why do we even care. We have so many problems of our own.

[alach]

You are doing remote job work just like me because the wages here are terrible and none can survive with them. Luckily digital nomadism has saved me from the worst fate that others endure. This is why I can live alone, I wouldn't be able to do this otherwise.



This is propaganda of the EU in order to support the central right party here. You see this party rules Europe now and they do their best to support their allies no matter how bad they perform.

Back on 1940 we had a free, proud and independent country with relative good living conditions and a very strong leader, the people were proud to be part of it and fight for it. The Germans decimated everything and stole our wealth, they do the same these days through other means but we no longer have the spirit that we did have back then.

If Putin invaded Greece now, trust me, none would even try to resist, I don't think the people care anymore for this ruined place. This is why it's somewhat weird for most of us, wtf are doing with Ukraine, why do we even care. We have so many problems of our own.

You know the Greek stereotype is that of a complainer right? Sorry buddy, think you may need to get out more. Read some books or something.

[Endus]

The US and EU aren't saints that champion diplomacy and democracy as they claim to. While Putin isn't obviously good, let alone better, him assessing the West as an imperialistic oligarchy is correct.

Just accept Ukraine's place in modern history for what it is: a major proxy to weaken one of the West's most hated enemies.

Given that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked and in violation of established treaties, this claim is absolute fuckin' nonsense.

[Vampiregenesis]

You know the Greek stereotype is that of a complainer right? Sorry buddy, think you may need to get out more. Read some books or something.

I mostly respond to the other Greek who called me deranged and tried to make a fool out of me as if we are living in different countries.

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Had a good laugh, thanks

Man, it's pointless to tell them, they will even deny you even though you are an Ukrainian. Who knows maybe Putin recruited you.

Actually I would like to see some real Ukrainians commenting in this forum and give their own insight instead of having only Americans speaking, how do Ukrainians view this war and the situation there? I have heard mixed opinions from the ones I talked with.

[Calfredd]

I mostly respond to the other Greek who called me deranged and tried to make a fool out of me as if we are living in different countries.

One acknowledges their country's issues and misgivings while the other whines and yells and blames everybody else. Yeah you kind of are living in different countries, if not different worlds.