Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Belize]

Given how badly damaged the sub was first time around, I'm surprised they tried to fix it.

They likely don't really have the means of replacing them with new ones at this point.

Can't imagine any of the drydocks in either the black sea or the sea of azov are super safe to have anything built in long term

[YUPPIE]

Not to mention that if NATO were to take over Russia militarily.... then what? Are you envisioning some kind of occupation of Russia? Please learn from history and tell us how well that would go.

germany and japan turned out well considering how evil they were before their defeat

and while both still have neo-nazi issues, they're doing great

[PhaelixWW]

Word is that it is the same as previously damaged, but it got repaired. Now it is a permanent fixture of the Black Sea seafloor.

BBC: Ukraine says it sank Russian submarine in Crimea

Ukraine's military says it attacked and destroyed a Russian submarine while it was anchored at a port in the occupied Crimean peninsula.

The Rostov-on-Don, a kilo-class attack submarine launched in 2014, sank after it was struck in a missile attack on the port city of Sevastopol on Friday, Ukraine's general staff said in a statement.

It was reportedly one of four submarines operated by Russia's Black Sea fleet capable of launching Kalibr cruise missiles. The Russian defence ministry has not commented.

Officials in Kyiv said the attack also destroyed four S-400 air defence systems protecting the peninsula, which Russia illegally annexed in 2014.

Intelligence officials in the UK noted last September that the Rostov-on-Don "likely suffered catastrophic damage" in a missile strike while undergoing maintenance at a Sevastopol shipyard.

Ukraine's military said Russia subsequently repaired the vessel and it was recently testing its capabilities near Sevastopol. The vessel was worth $300m (£233m), they added.

"The destruction of Rostov-on-Don once again proves that there is no safe place for the Russian fleet in the Ukrainian territorial waters of the Black Sea," the general staff in Kyiv said in a statement on Saturday.

It marks the latest attack on Russian naval forces in Sevastopol in recent months. In March alone, Ukraine said it hit two landing ships and a patrol vessel in the port city.

Since Russia launched its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 it has suffered several major naval setbacks. Ukraine says it has seriously damaged or sunk at least 15 warships, including the Black Sea fleet's flagship, the Moskva.

Last week Ukraine's military said Moscow had been forced to withdraw all of its naval assets from the Sea of Azov - a body of water connected to the Black Sea - due to repeated strikes on its vessels.

And Russia's internal security service, the FSB, recently said it foiled a Ukrainian plot to destroy its last remaining aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. The ship, launched in 1985, has been undergoing repairs since 2018.

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They likely don't really have the means of replacing them with new ones at this point.

Can't imagine any of the drydocks in either the black sea or the sea of azov are super safe to have anything built in long term

Well, Russia has completely removed it's naval forces from the Sea of Azov, so... yeah.

But subs take years and years to build. They have some in construction elsewhere, of course.

[Belize]

Well, Russia has completely removed it's naval forces from the Sea of Azov, so... yeah.

But subs take years and years to build. They have some in construction elsewhere, of course.

Right, but "elsewhere" has to loop aallllllllll the way around, back through the Mediterranean

[PhaelixWW]

germany and japan turned out well considering how evil they were before their defeat

and while both still have neo-nazi issues, they're doing great

In case you forgot (or in case you didn't know, because your lack of knowledge of history is eminent), WW2 was 80-85 years ago.

Germany lost 10% of its population in WW2, including an entire generation of young men. And Germany did poorly for a long time before things got better. Hell, the Berlin Wall didn't even come down for another 45 years.

Similar thing in Japan, where nukes were actually used.

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I can just hear you thinking that the best way to "help" Russia would be to nuke them, then maybe they'd be doing well in another 80 years!

Just stop.

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Right, but "elsewhere" has to loop aallllllllll the way around, back through the Mediterranean

A trip of months, sure, but much faster than the 7 years to completely build a new one, even if it were safe to do so in Sevastopol.

[diller]

would it be paranoid to think that Russia will start targeting NATO airfields where Ukrainian aircrafts are located?

Yes that would be incredibly paranoid - I can't even understand anyone would think that unless they are paranoid.

[zealo]

Right, but "elsewhere" has to loop aallllllllll the way around, back through the Mediterranean

Even that wont help them there unless they want those subs to just hang around in the Mediterranean and not actually reach the black sea.

Turkey wont let nations at war move military vessels through the bosphorus, as part of the montreux convention, a treaty dating back all the way to 1936.

[YUPPIE]

The German and Swedish air forces scrambled NATO jets on Aug. 3 after two Russian jets were detected heading toward Latvian airspace over the Baltic Sea.

The German Air Force reported that the jets from NATO's Baltic air-policing mission identified two Russian Su-30s.

The Russian pilots "behaved uncooperatively but not aggressively," the German Air Force said.

I'll admit it's disappointing when news puts in a headline/title like that only to read the article and find out it's literally nothing.

[Easo]

The German and Swedish air forces scrambled NATO jets on Aug. 3 after two Russian jets were detected heading toward Latvian airspace over the Baltic Sea.

The German Air Force reported that the jets from NATO's Baltic air-policing mission identified two Russian Su-30s.

The Russian pilots "behaved uncooperatively but not aggressively," the German Air Force said.

I'll admit it's disappointing when news puts in a headline/title like that only to read the article and find out it's literally nothing.

Literally a nothing burger for idiots, sorry, nationalists. This is standard practice all over the world, in all political regimes, but it sure does make for screaming headlines followed by degenerates screaming "JUST SHOOT THEM DOWN!!!!1111oneone"

[diller]

The German and Swedish air forces scrambled NATO jets on Aug. 3 after two Russian jets were detected heading toward Latvian airspace over the Baltic Sea.

The German Air Force reported that the jets from NATO's Baltic air-policing mission identified two Russian Su-30s.

The Russian pilots "behaved uncooperatively but not aggressively," the German Air Force said.

I'll admit it's disappointing when news puts in a headline/title like that only to read the article and find out it's literally nothing.

Even before the war these things happened a lot I mostly know about Denmark and Sweden and it was several times a year where Russian planes needed to be escorted out of our national airspace.

[Edge-]

Even before the war these things happened a lot I mostly know about Denmark and Sweden and it was several times a year where Russian planes needed to be escorted out of our national airspace.

At some point Russia is gonna Find Out, because they have been Fucking Around with this shit for years.

[Gorsameth]

At some point Russia is gonna Find Out, because they have been Fucking Around with this shit for years.

They fucked around with Turkey during the Syrian civil war and found out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_R...u-24_shootdown

[YUPPIE]

At some point Russia is gonna Find Out, because they have been Fucking Around with this shit for years.

they won't because they do this petty shit knowing no one will mess with them over it. Emphasis on "petty"

[Endus]

they won't because they do this petty shit knowing no one will mess with them over it. Emphasis on "petty"

They won't do so intentionally, because they know full well they can't handle the blowback.

But if you keep toeing up to the line, it's a matter of time until you nudge over it and trigger a full response.

[YUPPIE]

They won't do so intentionally, because they know full well they can't handle the blowback.

But if you keep toeing up to the line, it's a matter of time until you nudge over it and trigger a full response.

how this would go down:

>a couple of bumbling soldiers push their luck and NATO kills them
>NATO confronts Russia on what the fuck this was
>Russia dismisses it as the actions of a few rogue imbeciles
>NATO accepts and both go back to status quo tensions

they'll never invoke MAD or war over these petty incidents

[Jessicka]

Not just Russia that does this, few years ago the Royal Navy fucked around and found out in Iranian waters, bunch of Marines got captured, "honest mistake guv, definitely not spying".

[Endus]

how this would go down:

>a couple of bumbling soldiers push their luck and NATO kills them
>NATO confronts Russia on what the fuck this was
>Russia dismisses it as the actions of a few rogue imbeciles
>NATO accepts and both go back to status quo tensions

they'll never invoke MAD or war over these petty incidents

In what we're talking about, which was planes pushing towards national borders, they'd tell them to fuck off, and when they don't fuck off and cross the border, they'll get a final warning, and then they'll get shot down.

And then Russia gets to whine about it and suck it up and deal. They get nothing. They get told to wise up and fuck off with their bullshit, we'll see if we can send your soldiers back if we can find bits of them to return, but that's it.

If their aircraft return fire or fire pre-emptively, then it's an act of war by Russia and all of NATO is gonna be getting ready to stomp on Russia's nutsack repeatedly.

There isn't any "confrontation" with Russia. Shooting down their jets is statement enough.

[Easo]

I sure hope that everyone understands the difference between national airspace and "flying towards it/flying without transponder".

They fucked around with Turkey during the Syrian civil war and found out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_R...u-24_shootdown

So did Turkey afterwards, just not immediately
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Balyun_airstrikes plus IIRC couple other more minor episodes resulting in dead Turkish soldiers.

[Gabriel]

I sure hope that everyone understands the difference between national airspace and "flying towards it/flying without transponder".



So did Turkey afterwards, just not immediately
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Balyun_airstrikes plus IIRC couple other more minor episodes resulting in dead Turkish soldiers.

It was so sad when this escalated into WW3 that killed ev...

Ohh wait.

[Jessicka]

It was so sad when this escalated into WW3 that killed ev...

Ohh wait.

Never happened because WW3 happened when that U2 Spyplane was shot down over Soviet Airspace decades prior. Not that America or NATO countries would ever…