Russian invasion of Ukraine

[shimerra]

I think the Ukrainian staff have played too much League of Legends, are they trying to backdoor Russia?

Ok we can't beat them so let's invade them instead and steal some land.

I don't know what industrial chemical you are huffing but you honestly need to chill out before permanent damage occurs.

Attacking enemy infrastructure has literally been a thing since humans were living in mud huts throwing sticks at each other. Are you not familiar with basically 90% of what any country's airforce is for aka bombing runs on buildings, weapons, and people behind the front line?

[Jessicka]

I think the Ukrainian staff have played too much League of Legends, are they trying to backdoor Russia?

Ok we can't beat them so let's invade them instead and steal some land.

Damn, wait till you hear about the Special Air Service.

[Vampiregenesis]

I don't know what industrial chemical you are huffing but you honestly need to chill out before permanent damage occurs.

Attacking enemy infrastructure has literally been a thing since humans were living in mud huts throwing sticks at each other. Are you not familiar with basically 90% of what any country's airforce is for aka bombing runs on buildings, weapons, and people behind the front line?

They are committing entire brigades while other cities are at a critical situation. It's not your moderate sabotage behind front lines.

[Saradain]

They are committing entire brigades while other cities are at a critical situation. It's not your moderate sabotage behind front lines.

Considering you're making everything more bigger and more serious than they actually are, my guess is precisely that. And downplaying Ukraine, as always of course.

[Edge-]

They are committing entire brigades while other cities are at a critical situation. It's not your moderate sabotage behind front lines.

Brigades?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...ck-into-russia

Moscow has said about 300 soldiers from Ukraine launched a cross-border attack into a hitherto quiet part of the front on Tuesday, with reports of fighting at a town as deep as six miles (10km) inside Russia.

I don't think Moscow is exactly a trustworthy source, but let's humor them/you.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/military-unit

Several battalions form a brigade, which has 2,000 to 8,000 troops and is commanded by a brigadier general or a colonel.

I think 300 soldiers is decidedly smaller than even 2,000 soldiers.

Though Russia said it had repelled the incursion, reports from Russian military bloggers and imagery on social media indicated that the Ukrainian attack was substantial, though it was unclear how far it could be sustained.

Rybar, a popular Russian military blogger, said that on Tuesday evening the situation in the Kursk region remained tense with battles taking place in border districts. “Judging by the latest footage, Ukrainian formations have managed to advance,” the blogger wrote.

Though the Russian milbloggers, who seem to have at least a tiny shred of credibility, disagree with your strategic analysis.

Andrii Kovalenko, the head of an anti-disinformation department at Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, said that “Russian soldiers are lying about the controllability of the situation in the Kursk region. Russia does not control the border.”

The attack’s purpose could be an attempt by Ukraine, whose defences are stretched, to divert some Russian forces to defend a part of the frontline that has been largely inactive since spring 2022 – and also boost morale at home.

[Belize]

Truly top notch military analysis on display here. Land wars in Europe are basically the same as *checks notes* 5v5 MOBAs

[shimerra]

They are committing entire brigades while other cities are at a critical situation. It's not your moderate sabotage behind front lines.

Bold moves to call things like the Nukes dropped on Japan or the Firebombins in Dresden/Tokyo mild sabotage. Fuck people were using balloons to bomb behind enemy lines as far back as 1849.

Even if you want to limit it to ground forces flanking/going behind your opponent to take out key supply lines and military targets is as old as fucking tribal warfare and one of the best ways to win a war. Napoleon once said "An army marches on its stomach." and one of the best ways to hamstring an enemy army is going behind where the food is delivered from.

And by attacking behind enemy lines you limit the ability of the Russian forces to attack those cities in a "critical situation" as you say. Seriously. What the fuck is it about this very very ancient concept you're not getting?

edit- Also nice to see you're either lieing/misinformed about the number of troops comitted.

[Corvus]

It's a small raiding force - probably even less than 300 men in total. And it has forced russia to commit land and air assets to counter. Meaning they can't be used elsewhere.

One ka52 is confirmed shot down already, though reports suggest it could be higher. Prisoners have been taken and vehicles destroyed.

A couple of hundred men there aren't going to make a huge difference given the number of troops both sides have deployed.

As for blowing things way out of context, you just have to look at russia's advanced. The front lines have not budged except in one very small, specific spot where they have pushed forward a mere 6km in weeks of fighting taking heavy losses. It'd do ww1 proud.

And it's no different to Bakhmut or avdivka or elsewhere where russian stooges crowed about an imminent collapse only for nothing to come of it.

[Relapses]

Fuck man, I thought it was Joever when Biden dropped out, but it turns out the Skibidi Toliet guy has been Z this whole time.

We had a good run, boys.

[Gabriel]

Fuck man, I thought it was Joever when Biden dropped out, but it turns out the Skibidi Toliet guy has been Z this whole time.

We had a good run, boys.

I knew it was a psyop to lower the IQ of the youth in the West.

[Jessicka]

Fuck man, I thought it was Joever when Biden dropped out, but it turns out the Skibidi Toliet guy has been Z this whole time.

We had a good run, boys.

Can someone translate?

[Belize]

Fuck man, I thought it was Joever when Biden dropped out, but it turns out the Skibidi Toliet guy has been Z this whole time.

We had a good run, boys.

As an ageing millennial, is this what our parents felt like when we talked to them about Dragon Ball and Pokemon as teens?


... Are we the olds now?

[KrayZ33]

Brigades?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/ar...ck-into-russia

I don't think Moscow is exactly a trustworthy source, but let's humor them/you.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/military-unit

I think 300 soldiers is decidedly smaller than even 2,000 soldiers.

Though the Russian milbloggers, who seem to have at least a tiny shred of credibility, disagree with your strategic analysis.

According to an Ukrainian milblogger/officer, Ukrainian brigades are nowhere near as large and most of them are with fewer functional combat vehicles than you can count with your fingers.
He is very unhappy about them diverting troops when the frontline is almost/basically collapsing because they lack the manpower.

https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1820827921755333092

guess only time will tell if this was a smart move.

[Corvus]

It isn't collapsing. The russians are making minor gains in one specific part of the line and nothing elsewhere. It's a 6km advance over a few weeks raking heavy losses. It's more than they have moved in a long while but it's very small comparatively. Plus in a few weeks the first newly trained Ukrainian troops from the recent mobilisation will start arriving.

What is going on with the Ukrainian incursion is uncertain, though russian claims of having driven it back are false as the fighting is ongoing, while russian telegraph channels are all over the place and at times very panicky. One channel claimed Ukraine invaded with 15 armoured vehicles, of which 16 have been destroyed, but that is russian accounting for you. A number put the Ukrainians 16km deep and having captured 11 settlements, which, if true means Ukrainian have in 2 days with minimal casualties advanced as much as russia in 3 months with thousands.

It seems russiahad quite a few barely trained conscripts guarding the border and they fared poorly. A number of them have been taken pow - given they aren't meant to be involved in the war, it could cause some issues.

Russia seems to have lost a number of tanks, including 2 t62s still on board transport being moved to the front. At least a couple of attack helicopters seem to have been brought down, including one at least taken out by a fpv drone while flying.

The fighter bomber channel even claims Ukrainian troops have reached the Kursk NPP 60km from the border, meaning artillery and air strikes can't be used, only infantry, but they are unable to do much given Ukrainian drone superiority. It doesn't seem likely yet the fighterbomber channel isn't usually given to wild rumours.

[Fuiking]

As an ageing millennial, is this what our parents felt like when we talked to them about Dragon Ball and Pokemon as teens?


... Are we the olds now?

Yes, yes we are.

[Northern Goblin]

So when are we renaming the title to Ukraine's invasion of Russia?

Once again they can't seem to stop Ukraine walking into Kursk, they were prepped to defend raids, not full scale assaults.

[Vampiregenesis]

It's a small raiding force - probably even less than 300 men in total. And it has forced russia to commit land and air assets to counter. Meaning they can't be used elsewhere.

One ka52 is confirmed shot down already, though reports suggest it could be higher. Prisoners have been taken and vehicles destroyed.

A couple of hundred men there aren't going to make a huge difference given the number of troops both sides have deployed.

As for blowing things way out of context, you just have to look at russia's advanced. The front lines have not budged except in one very small, specific spot where they have pushed forward a mere 6km in weeks of fighting taking heavy losses. It'd do ww1 proud.

And it's no different to Bakhmut or avdivka or elsewhere where russian stooges crowed about an imminent collapse only for nothing to come of it.

Putin said they are 1000

[Saradain]

Putin said they are 1000

And? I say they're 10. Me and Putin both are equally correct.

[Vampiregenesis]

I think in the past Sirski said they are preparing another counterattack, is this what they were talking for? the timing aligns with the arrival of F-16. It sounds like a large operation.

[Calfredd]

Putin said they are 1000

You'd believe Putin if he said the sky wasn't blue but tartan.