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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    To highly simplify it - split Ukraine along the Dniepr river and you will have your general sympathies for each side.
    Not quite correct. You've been reading too much of Russian Kool-Aid ;p
    Term "left-bank Ukraine" has existed for about as long as the term "Ukraine" itself (longer than "Russian Empire" lol), it was documented in 1600's at least - to think people in Poltava region will support Russians is ... I'll better stop here. Your simplification is a bit incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Twitter is not such a reliable source anyway with lots of fake videos and claims from both sides. Actually, there are no reliable sources in times of war.
    Not reliable, but there is an awful lot of footage of dead Russians and burnt out Russian vehicles on it. It kind of clashes with the narrative the Russian government is trying to sell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Twitter is not such a reliable source anyway with lots of fake videos and claims from both sides. Actually, there are no reliable sources in times of war.
    I've seen videos of air shows and Chinese explosions claiming to be footage of the invasion. The first casualty of war...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Not reliable, but there is an awful lot of footage of dead Russians and burnt out Russian vehicles on it. It kind of clashes with the narrative the Russian government is trying to sell.
    To make it even worse, those dead soldiers were abandoned. Why have mobile crematoriums if you don't use them? Very inconvenient for the russian narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    Half the small towns and villages in Kharkiv and Odessa will probably fall with little to no resistance due to the ethnic composition of the regions.
    Ethnic composition there is: large cities are settlers from all USSR so largely Russian-sympathizers, while countryside is nearly homogeneous Ukrainian (and some Greek closer to the Azov Sea coast). Even here in Donbass, 20 km out of the city people were switching speaking Ukrainian to each other and Russian to me before the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    Not quite correct. You've been reading too much of Russian Kool-Aid ;p
    Term "left-bank Ukraine" has existed for about as long as the term "Ukraine" itself (longer than "Russian Empire" lol), it was documented in 1600's at least - to think people in Poltava region will support Russians is ... I'll better stop here. Your simplification is a bit incorrect.
    As I said, to higly simplify it. Demographics wise it is close enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    To make it even worse, those dead soldiers were abandoned. Why have mobile crematoriums if you don't use them? Very inconvenient for the russian narrative.
    Is it from verified sources about mobile crematoriums? Maybe they were left dead because there are no mobile crematoriums, to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    Kyiv will fall before weekend is over.
    Everybody falls at some point, what comes next is important. Either they will choose to stay down for a while, or get up, re-calibrate and re-engage instantly. As the first wave will be over, I suspect that Ukrainians will get back up soon. Guerilla is fucking nuts if you mix dedicated crazies who seek freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Twitter is not such a reliable source anyway with lots of fake videos and claims from both sides. Actually, there are no reliable sources in times of war.
    Oryx, Militaryland.net, Livemap, Wikipedia are pretty accurate as they do their best to verify the information they post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    Kyiv will fall before weekend is over.
    city fighting is brutal if the defender is determined. Unless Russia has made big inroads into the city by the end of the day I don't see it happening. Kyiv isn't going to fall in a day.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkyd View Post
    Is it from verified sources about mobile crematoriums? Maybe they were left dead because there are no mobile crematoriums, to begin with.
    So far only British intelligence. That's only one source so we have to remain skeptic about it.
    However in previous conflicts the russian army has used them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neik View Post
    Everybody falls at some point, what comes next is important. Either they will choose to stay down for a while, or get up, re-calibrate and re-engage instantly. As the first wave will be over, I suspect that Ukrainians will get back up soon. Guerilla is fucking nuts if you mix dedicated crazies who seek freedom.
    I would be surprised if there will be any resistance after the war is over. Partly because resistances usually rise due to previous governments being better, their life was better etc. But the new pro-Western government wasn't in power for long enough for Ukrainians to forget that before they came to power, life was just the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    As I said, to higly simplify it. Demographics wise it is close enough.
    I mean it's off by 150 km of diehard guerilla resistance; west of Dnipro-Sumy-Chernihiv line roughly is Ukrainian historical land. You know, left-bank Banderites
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    Quote Originally Posted by CostinR View Post
    Oryx, Militaryland.net, Livemap, Wikipedia are pretty accurate as they do their best to verify the information they post.
    Livemap is highly outdated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    I mean it's off by 150 km of diehard guerilla resistance; west of Dnipro-Sumy-Chernihiv line roughly is Ukrainian historical land. You know, left-bank Banderites
    Meh, couple hour ride, does not matter in Kremlin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    To make it even worse, those dead soldiers were abandoned. Why have mobile crematoriums if you don't use them? Very inconvenient for the russian narrative.
    Most people assumed they were going to be used to Russian troops. However, if they are real, they might be there for more nefarious reasons. Like covering up civilian deaths or chemical agents.

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    There's a non-zero chance that NATO will end up being humiliated by Russians by taking over Kyiv before any of that weaponry reaches it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnagarde View Post
    While the Azov battalion definitely commited war crimes, I'm sure that nobody would react as heavily as they're doing now if Russia destroyed them with airstrikes at the contact line. The ultra right-wing nationalists of the Azov battalion are almost all at the contact line with the separatist breakaway areas. Russia could've flattened the Azov force within a day's time, while leaving the rest of the country unharmed by conflict.
    they are holed up in maiuropol, city in donbass on the black sea coast, surrounding them with human shields...typical nazi scum..

    It would make sense for Kadyrov to send in his chechens there, and it would be sooo ironic, since the nazis did fight in the 1st n 2nd chechen war on the side of the terrorists, just to kill Russians, and now they'd get the chechens against them.
    If Kadyrov is spoiling for a fight (well, a month ago he offered to be the supreme commander of invading n conquering ukraine for putin) n maiuropol is the closest city to chechnya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    they are holed up in maiuropol, city in donbass on the black sea coast, surrounding them with human shields...typical nazi scum..
    Shut the fuck up. Do you think war is so fucking onesided???
    Everything, EVERYTHING works both ways!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Shut the fuck up. Do you think war is so fucking onesided???
    Everything, EVERYTHING works both ways!
    cute how you side with neo-nazis. Shouldn't expect any less from you. Cry some more for ur dead nazi pigs, they will soon be roasting all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    cute how you side with neo-nazis. Shouldn't expect any less from you. Cry some more for ur dead nazi pigs, they will soon be roasting all of them.
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