Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Belize]

Russia sure has been putting the special in special operation.

[Corvus]

The total number of evacuated civilians in russia is now meant to be around 200,000, while Ukraine claims to now hold 74 russian settlements.

Meanwhile, russia is digging new trench lines in Kursk - 45 km from the border. That's a lot of ground to give up, and you still need the troops in them to actually man them.

And the Belgorod region governor has declared a regional level state of emergency, and wants the Kremlin to upgrade it to a federal level of emergency, just like in Kursk.

[PhaelixWW]

the problem with that last bit you mentioned, and some commentators brought up: If Putin starts desperately razing his own land and everyone on it just to get rid of the Ukrainians, that's a huge moral risk to Ukraine because they're playing with the lives of their soldiers.

It's not a good outlook to try to poke at Putin and go "get mad, do it" and hope he does some insane shit since it will undoubtedly take the lives of these soldiers.

They're soldiers fighting a war; their lives are already at risk due to Putin's ego and cruelty.

There's no "moral risk" in fighting back against a dictator with a genocidal agenda.

What an absolute shit take. Shame.

[Iphie]

Troops from Kaliningrad to Kursk

Reeks of desperation to be honest.

[PhaelixWW]

Troops from Kaliningrad to Kursk

Reeks of desperation to be honest.

Wasn't the whole point of this war supposed to be that they didn't feel safe with NATO as a neighbor?

But apparently they feel safe enough to pull troops out of the lone portion of Russian territory that's literally surrounded by NATO countries?

Boy, that makes it seem like Putin wasn't being honest...

[Kaleredar]

Wasn't the whole point of this war supposed to be that they didn't feel safe with NATO as a neighbor?

But apparently they feel safe enough to pull troops out of the lone portion of Russian territory that's literally surrounded by NATO countries?

Boy, that makes it seem like Putin wasn't being honest...

I had said this before… if Russia had succeeded in taking over, they’d have increased their border with NATO.


And even if they pull out of Ukraine tomorrow, their border with NATO has increased since their little three day operation began, what with NATO’s newest members.


NATO surrounds Russia more now than ever, and it’s all Russia’s doing.

[YUPPIE]

Adding to that, Putin seems to be getting more unhinged and angry by the day.

[MCMLXXXII]

Could swap the name Putin for a certain poster in this thread....

[PhaelixWW]

Adding to that, Putin seems to be getting more unhinged and angry by the day.

I don't know how you can say this with a straight face.

[Corvus]

Troops from Kaliningrad to Kursk

Reeks of desperation to be honest.

They are desperate not to have to pull troops out of Ukraine and are trying to scrape them up from anywhere as a result.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Who was the general that went up against Rome and basically refused to meet them in direct combat? Just roamed around Italy for a year or more, razing settlements, plundering and basically making Rome look both impotent and incompetent?

No idea why that suddenly popped into my head.

[Iphie]

Who was the general that went up against Rome and basically refused to meet them in direct combat? Just roamed around Italy for a year or more, razing settlements, plundering and basically making Rome look both impotent and incompetent?

No idea why that suddenly popped into my head.

You mean Hannibal Barca?

[KrayZ33]

NATO surrounds Russia more now than ever, and it’s all Russia’s doing.

It's important to not use Dictator/Fascist-speech.
"Surround" or "surrounded" by itself is already a joke.
Unless you consider the US to be right next to Russia, even if you include Ukraine, the country shares larger/wider borders with it's "allies"(if you want to call them that) such as China compared to the whole NATO.

[PhaelixWW]

"Surround" or "surrounded" by itself is already a joke.
Unless you consider the US to be right next to Russia, even if you include Ukraine, the country shares larger/wider borders with it's "allies"(if you want to call them that) such as China compared to the whole NATO.

Not when it's regarding Kaliningrad.

[KrayZ33]

Not when it's regarding Kaliningrad.

which is, from a military perspective, a NATO weakpoint, not the other way around.

[PhaelixWW]

which is, from a military perspective, a NATO weakpoint, not the other way around.

So? We're not talking about reality, here; NATO isn't an offensive threat to Russia in the first place

But it does "surround" Kaliningrad.

[Doomcookie]

the problem with that last bit you mentioned, and some commentators brought up: If Putin starts desperately razing his own land and everyone on it just to get rid of the Ukrainians, that's a huge moral risk to Ukraine because they're playing with the lives of their soldiers.

It's not a good outlook to try to poke at Putin and go "get mad, do it" and hope he does some insane shit since it will undoubtedly take the lives of these soldiers.

That's a moral problem with Putin. Stop defending murderers.

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Russia has tried to plead with the UN to condemn Ukraine for "abhorrent crimes." Apparently, the UN council gave Russia the cold shoulder.

Russia criticized Western allies of Ukraine at the United Nations on Tuesday for not condemning Kyiv's incursion into the Russian region of Kursk, accusing Ukrainian forces of killing civilians and questioning the goals of the cross-border assault.

Ukraine's allies on the U.N. Security Council - including the United States, France and Britain - stood firm in their support for Kyiv during an informal council gathering convened by Russia. They did not mention the Kursk offensive.

"We will not recognize the aggressor as the victim," said senior Slovenian diplomat Klemen Ponikvar, one of several members to accuse Russia of hypocrisy, double standards and wasting the Security Council's time.

That's why it's odd that you insist on supporting the aggressor.

[Northern Goblin]

Or we keep giving Ukraine materiel as they fight among themselves, and Ukraine can start establishing permanent occupation of parts of a collapsing regime.

If that happens, China will likely engage in an expansion of their Western border and Japan reclaim the Kuril islands.

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Russia hasn’t been able to ‘Zerg rush’ for at least the last two years.

"The first civilian gets a rifle, the other nine follow. When the first civilian falls the other nine can scramble for it and shoot."

[Gabriel]

If that happens, China will likely engage in an expansion of their Western border and Japan reclaim the Kuril islands.

Ohh you tease.

[KrayZ33]

So? We're not talking about reality, here; NATO isn't an offensive threat to Russia in the first place

But it does "surround" Kaliningrad.

I mean...yeah.. exactly. So?
I don't even understand why you bring Kaliningrad up to be honest.
So I really can't follow. Especially because it doesn't matter that NATO is a defensive alliance, because if Russia gets funny, it's still a problem for NATO, not the other way around... You have me utterly confused as to what you are trying to point out.

As if that means NATO is surrounding Russia, just because some 20.000 km² exclave-territory.
Super weird take and I don't understand why you engaged with my previous post.
Especially since nothing in that regard changed after 2004.

I assumed you were fishing for some justification.

edit:
just to be clear.
Kaliningrad is part of Russia as a whole and even though they have this exclave, it still shares longer borders with allies compared to NATO.