Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Edge-]

Putin’s regime will collapse only if he dies (read: literally dies).

As opposed to figuratively dying?

I mean, you people are too assured these incursions mean Russia has already lost the entire war. It’s just another phase in the war.

This is all in your head, lil bro. We're just laughing at the ongoing incompetence of the Russian military and government.

[Iphie]

If we're talking regime collapse, it's going to happen. Russia needs downsizing anyway.

Yes, but it needs to happen controlled, not freeform, we don't want to end up in a situation where there's a bunch of idiots/warlords with big booms. Ready to use them on one another.

[Jessicka]

Putin’s regime will collapse only if he dies (read: literally dies). I mean, you people are too assured these incursions mean Russia has already lost the entire war. It’s just another phase in the war.

If it hadn't happened before, with Wagner marching on Moscow unopposed maybe there'd be more scepticism. Putin can't stop this with a briefcase of money and a SAM.

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Yes, but it needs to happen controlled, not freeform, we don't want to end up in a situation where there's a bunch of idiots/warlords with big booms. Ready to use them on one another.

Warlords' (such as Putin) primary concern is their own wellbeing. Using nukes is never going to be conducive to that.

[Shadowferal]

If we're talking regime collapse, it's going to happen. Russia needs downsizing anyway.

This might help; Nearly all Chinese banks are refusing to process payments from Russia, report says

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Russia has been using smaller banks and non-US-dollar currencies to bypass Western sanctions.

But doors to alternative transfer methods are closing fast; Russia is now looking to crypto and barter trade.

[Iphie]

If it hadn't happened before, with Wagner marching on Moscow unopposed maybe there'd be more scepticism. Putin can't stop this with a briefcase of money and a SAM.

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Warlords' (such as Putin) primary concern is their own wellbeing. Using nukes is never going to be conducive to that.

Putin isn't really a warlord, like kadyrov, either way we don't want even the chance of loose booms and components, that's something we can agree upon I think.

[gondrin]

As opposed to figuratively dying?



This is all in your head, lil bro. We're just laughing at the ongoing incompetence of the Russian military and government.

Well, I figure figuratively dying would be him just "going on a long vacation" and never coming back being a thing. Not sure if it will ever happening.

[YUPPIE]

If it hadn't happened before, with Wagner marching on Moscow unopposed

The context and circumstances behind that is something I don't think we will ever truly know, especially considering Prigozhin's abrupt and unexplained withdrawal. It could have been staged. That's why I don't like using that as an example for Russia's incompetence.

Also, adding more to speculation here: Assuming Prigozhin wasn't staging it, *something* so terrifying and powerful in Putin's forces that he had no hope of defeating made him concede. I think that something, someone, or some people is what the Ukrainians will face should the incursions become too much.

[Doomcookie]

The context and circumstances behind that is something I don't think we will ever truly know, especially considering Prigozhin's abrupt and unexplained withdrawal. It could have been staged. That's why I don't like using that as an example for Russia's incompetence.

Also, adding more to speculation here: Assuming Prigozhin wasn't staging it, *something* so terrifying and powerful in Putin's forces that he had no hope of defeating made him concede. I think that something, someone, or some people is what the Ukrainians will face should the incursions become too much.

Why do you want Russia to keep killing innocent people?

[KrayZ33]

Yeah, that's because you jumped into a discussion already in progress and were too lazy to bother reading anything first.

To recap:

...which is where you jumped in.

Literally the original topic was Kaliningrad. So... yeah.


Well, you could have, you just chose not to. Not when you made your initial post, nor when you made this "What's going on?" post.

It's all literally on the same page, and there are quote links to help out, too.


You just made an ass of you and... well, you.

You do realize that topics can change, right?
The mention that Russia is now "more surrounded" than before (and the fact that the word surrounded is typically used by Russia), has absolutely nothing to do with Kaliningrad.
What's your point man... Jesus.

You were completely out of the conversation that I wanted to start and I didn't want to adress your point about Kaliningrad at all.
I would've quoted you instead if I wanted to talk to you or say something about your part of the previous conversation.

NATO surrounds Russia more now than ever, and it’s all Russia’s doing.

All I was saying is that the word "surround" shouldn't even be used when it comes to Russia, because Russia is not surrounded by anything.
That's literally all there was, oh gosh, aren't we a bit touchy here, for no reason?
I even made this clear in an edit in my last post, and you still think I was interested in Kaliningrad and not just had a minor issue with use of the word "surrounded" (even if the previous poster was just parroting the typical Russian to ridicule it), really?


so when you came out and said "but it's true for Kaliningrad" I just assumed you were fishing for a justification for that word in context to how Russia feels. So I pointed out that even that territory is good for Russia, and bad for NATO.

[Jessicka]

Why do you want Russia to keep killing innocent people?

Prigozhin wasn’t innocent of anything. His withdrawal and subsequent demise was hardly surprising, he thought he had one over on Putin, he was wrong. Or maybe he was right and this invasion of Russia is a consequence of Putin thinking he had less worth than he did as a mercenary leader.

[Doomcookie]

Prigozhin wasn’t innocent of anything. His withdrawal and subsequent demise was hardly surprising, he thought he had one over on Putin, he was wrong. Or maybe he was right and this invasion of Russia is a consequence of Putin thinking he had less worth than he did as a mercenary leader.

The guy can be Terrible, but YUPPIE still wants Putin to win the war. It's pretty weird how many threads he's made about about becoming actually aroused at the idea of "masculine" men being terrible people to others.

[Gabriel]

Putin’s regime will collapse only if he dies (read: literally dies). I mean, you people are too assured these incursions mean Russia has already lost the entire war. It’s just another phase in the war.

That's literally what literally all of us have literally been saying literally the entire time.

[Belize]

That's literally what literally all of us have literally been saying literally the entire time.

Give Yuppie a minute, he's still catching up

[En Sabah Nur]

Give Yuppie a minute, he's still catching up

Strange for a "prophet" to be behind everyone else.

[Belize]

Strange for a "prophet" to be behind everyone else.

Can't be wrong when you make predictions about stuff that has already happened *taps head*

[Yunru]

Heh....so ukraine soldiers are now shitposting resturant reviews in kursk.

[ringpriest]

Putin isn't really a warlord, like kadyrov, either way we don't want even the chance of loose booms and components, that's something we can agree upon I think.

He's best thought of as the emperor - figurehead, patriarch, chief arbiter, commander, and policy-maker - of a fractious confederacy of kleptocrats. He stays in power so long as he delivers wealth and security (to the kleptocrats). They were willing to respect his decision to invade Ukraine, as they respected his analysis and decision-making that the existence of Ukraine as a democratic state was an existential threat to their kleptocracy. (To be fair, they were likely correct.) He will remain in power as long as his fellow kleptocrats remain confident that the effort involved in replacing him would exceed the costs (to them) of keeping him. Once they start thinking that replacing him is better for them than keeping him, he's likely going to be dead in short order. (In theory he could retire, but in practice that's very hard to do with someone like Putin.) He's done a lot to make sure there are no easy ways to replace him (such as making sure nothing and no one like the United States Vice-President exists in Russia), but that only goes so far if he loses the kleptocrats.

[Iphie]

He's best thought of as the emperor - figurehead, patriarch, chief arbiter, commander, and policy-maker - of a fractious confederacy of kleptocrats. He stays in power so long as he delivers wealth and security (to the kleptocrats). They were willing to respect his decision to invade Ukraine, as they respected his analysis and decision-making that the existence of Ukraine as a democratic state was an existential threat to their kleptocracy. (To be fair, they were likely correct.) He will remain in power as long as his fellow kleptocrats remain confident that the effort involved in replacing him would exceed the costs (to them) of keeping him. Once they start thinking that replacing him is better for them than keeping him, he's likely going to be dead in short order. (In theory he could retire, but in practice that's very hard to do with someone like Putin.) He's done a lot to make sure there are no easy ways to replace him (such as making sure nothing and no one like the United States Vice-President exists in Russia), but that only goes so far if he loses the kleptocrats.

I mean I've been ssaying for a while that if he starts to be an issue for his inner circle he's gone and he's working hard to start being one. An interesting detail in that respect is that his table is getting shorter. (If you recall he had these ridiculously long tables previously, now he sits at a normal ´sized table)

[PhaelixWW]

You do realize that topics can change, right?

It hadn't changed. You attempted to change it. I brought it back to the original context.

You don't really get to justifiably say "where did that come from" at that point. All post quotes were linked, the posts were from the last few hours, and all were on the same page of comments. If you're too lazy to check a comment chain that stretched only 9 posts before yours, especially after being called on it, then that's entirely on you.

The mention that Russia is now "more surrounded" than before (and the fact that the word surrounded is typically used by Russia), has absolutely nothing to do with Kaliningrad.

Lulz. Of course it does. The other poster's use of the word "surrounded" was in direct response to my use of the word "surrounded" in the previous post in relation to Kaliningrad.

I mean, it's the height of your laziness, considering the fact that all of this was present in the exact post you replied to. You failed to read the quote in that post to which the other poster was responding to.

What's your point man... Jesus.

Own up to your mistakes if you want to be taken seriously.

You were completely out of the conversation that I wanted to start and I didn't want to adress your point about Kaliningrad at all.
I would've quoted you instead if I wanted to talk to you or say something about your part of the previous conversation.

When you respond to someone who quotes me, I'm not "completely out of the conversation", sorry.


But this whole thing has become an unnecessary tangent, now, so I'll stop engaging in your derailment after this post.

[Bluespiderman57]

Can't be wrong when you make predictions about stuff that has already happened *taps head*

They call that “Captain Hindsight”



Should be YUPPIE’s profile avatar.