Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

Where did they claim that, exactly?

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an interview that Russian people may not survive if Western countries succeed in handing a “strategic defeat” to Moscow in its war in Ukraine.

Putin accused Western countries of seeking to divide Russia in order to take control of the country’s raw materials.

“I do not even know if such an ethnic group as the Russian people will be able to survive in the form in which it exists today,” he said.

When Russia introduced patriotism classes in primary and secondary schools last September, Tatyana Chervenko decided she was not going to peddle Kremlin "propaganda" to her eighth-grade students in Moscow.

The 49-year-old used some of the classes to teach math instead and ignored talking points pushed by the Kremlin about the conflict raging in Ukraine.

Chervenko was motivated by her concern that authorities were using Soviet-style tools to foster patriotism and militarize society — just weeks before the Kremlin announced the first army call-up since World War II.

Her act of protest did not go unnoticed.

The school administration formally reprimanded her twice, and in October masked men showed up at her work, bundled her into a police vehicle and detained her for several hours.

In December, after resisting mounting pressure from her employers, Chervenko was fired.
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The second half article goes to show you how seriously they take this war as an extinction-like event.

[PhaelixWW]

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an interview that Russian people may not survive if Western countries succeed in handing a “strategic defeat” to Moscow in its war in Ukraine.

That statement is akin to "watch out, we'll use nukes!" It's just bullshit posturing that only gullible people would believe actually means what is said.

It also is not the reason they're fighting this war.

Though, hell, the "deNazification" excuse they stated at the outset was also just so much posturing.

Regardless, it takes a feeble mind to think that a conflict that they started (and that took them a year to even call a war) is somehow "existential".

[YUPPIE]

yeah they started the war and pushed it to the point now it's either win or regress to less than a third world country, as the sanctions will eventually grind russia to dust.

That is an existential war.

[PhaelixWW]

yeah they started the war and pushed it to the point now it's either win or regress to less than a third world country, as the sanctions will eventually grind russia to dust.

That is an existential war.

No, it's not, because that's not what would happen if they lost.

That's just your penchant for hyperbole run amok.

[YUPPIE]

No, it's not, because that's not what would happen if they lost.

That's just your penchant for hyperbole run amok.

multiple people in this thread, including at least two moderators from a few pages ago, agree with that notion.

The notion Russia has a metaphorical scythe hanging over it and it can only hope to recover by winning and recuperating its losses from there. I'm not hoping or shilling for Russia to win, I am just hammering to you the point of how high the stakes are for them here.

They can't just call it quits, go home, and hope to ever recuperate from there again after everything. That would take centuries and a complete regime change.

[Dontrike]

I'm not hoping or shilling for Russia to win

That's literally all you've been doing since this 3 day operation started.

[PhaelixWW]

multiple people in this thread, including at least two moderators from a few pages ago, agree with that notion.

Go ahead, quote them as saying "Russia will cease to exist if they fail to conquer Ukraine". I'll wait.

I'm not hoping or shilling for Russia to win...

Sure you're not. You just want WW3 because you're bored.

...I am just hammering to you the point of how high the stakes are for them here.

They're not remotely as high as you're make-believing. The stakes are certainly higher for Putin than the rest of Russia, assuredly, but that's not the same thing, either.

They can't just call it quits, go home, and hope to ever recuperate from there again after everything.

Of course they could. They could quite easily fuck off and go home and start licking their wounds. I mean, what do you imagine them getting out of a "victory" at this point, anyway? Enough to make it worth the drubbing they've already gotten and the loss of relevance on the international stage? That ship sailed a looooong time ago.

And no, that doesn't make them "less than a third-world country". Just corrupt, incompetent, and far less relevant than they were 10 years ago, let alone 30+ years ago.

That would take centuries

You have absolutely no concept of time, do you? Centuries?! Are you serious?

Your lack of anything resembling critical thinking skills is such a monumental joke.

[Veggie50]

yeah they started the war and pushed it to the point now it's either win or regress to less than a third world country, as the sanctions will eventually grind russia to dust.

That is an existential war.

The definition of 2nd world country is “Russia and allies” so…………. No.

[Iphie]

The definition of 2nd world country is “Russia and allies” so…………. No.

It's one of those fun things, by the original definition some very interesting and surprising countries are 3rd world countries. (some very unexpected 1st world countries as well.)

[PhaelixWW]

The definition of 2nd world country is “Russia and allies” so…………. No.

The definitions have long-since changed from their cold war usage. Russia is considered a first-world country now.

[Jessicka]

We tend to use the terms Global North and South now.

[PhaelixWW]

We tend to use the terms Global North and South now.

Sure, that's more descriptive, I guess.

From wikipedia:


Though China is a question mark.

[Elder Millennial]

Sure, that's more descriptive, I guess.

Though China is a question mark.

Take another look at that map.

Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Emirates, Qatar being "Global South" is just....

[Gabriel]

How about we just use the modern commonly accepted definition of 3rd World Country and stop kwetching over useless minutiae.

[Jessicka]

How about we just use the modern commonly accepted definition of 3rd World Country and stop kwetching over useless minutiae.

Because third world is an obsolescent term, the world moved on 30 years ago.

[Gabriel]

Because third world is an obsolescent term, the world moved on 30 years ago.

And still, everyone knows what someone means when they say "Russia will fall beyond third world country status".

[Jessicka]

And still, everyone knows what someone means when they say "Russia will fall beyond third world country status".

Then they argue about what third world means, which is in turn why the language changes/evolves when they're looking for precision (see also: developed/developing nations). That was where I was making my point, but sure, in this context everyone knows what you mean so third world is fine colloquially which is where it's still used. I'm absolutely fine with that.

[Doomcookie]

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in an interview that Russian people may not survive if Western countries succeed in handing a “strategic defeat” to Moscow in its war in Ukraine.

Putin accused Western countries of seeking to divide Russia in order to take control of the country’s raw materials.

“I do not even know if such an ethnic group as the Russian people will be able to survive in the form in which it exists today,” he said.

When Russia introduced patriotism classes in primary and secondary schools last September, Tatyana Chervenko decided she was not going to peddle Kremlin "propaganda" to her eighth-grade students in Moscow.

The 49-year-old used some of the classes to teach math instead and ignored talking points pushed by the Kremlin about the conflict raging in Ukraine.

Chervenko was motivated by her concern that authorities were using Soviet-style tools to foster patriotism and militarize society — just weeks before the Kremlin announced the first army call-up since World War II.

Her act of protest did not go unnoticed.

The school administration formally reprimanded her twice, and in October masked men showed up at her work, bundled her into a police vehicle and detained her for several hours.

In December, after resisting mounting pressure from her employers, Chervenko was fired.
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The second half article goes to show you how seriously they take this war as an extinction-like event.

No, it's how seriously you take it. Nobody is forcing you to buy into Russian propaganda. I guess that's why you fell victim to Soviet propaganda, and thought Stalin was a great man.

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yeah they started the war and pushed it to the point now it's either win or regress to less than a third world country, as the sanctions will eventually grind russia to dust.

That is an existential war.

Maybe they shouldn't have started the war. Maybe you shouldn't be doing their work for them.

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multiple people in this thread, including at least two moderators from a few pages ago, agree with that notion.

The notion Russia has a metaphorical scythe hanging over it and it can only hope to recover by winning and recuperating its losses from there. I'm not hoping or shilling for Russia to win, I am just hammering to you the point of how high the stakes are for them here.

They can't just call it quits, go home, and hope to ever recuperate from there again after everything. That would take centuries and a complete regime change.

Bullshit. Germany recovered after WW2 in less than "centuries." Youa re making stuff up.

[Elder Millennial]

UK derangement syndrome on the TV again in Russia.

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status...03011718828339

[Mekh]

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/...ilitary-a86069

So uh...one of our 'Murican pedophiles apparently fled the country to avoid kiddy porn charges and joined up with the Russian military. Which Russia apparently knows about?

I guess the Russian military will take anyone. I mean, they were emptying out prisons to get meat for the meatgrinder and all, no?

"They're not sending their best."