Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Corvus]

There was already a shortage of fire-fighters in russia. They keep getting shipped off to take part in firefights.

[PhaelixWW]

There are reports that NATO will send a 5000-soldier armored brigade to Finland's border with Russia.

So, will Putin pull forces away from Ukraine in order to match this buildup, or will he give up the pretense of being concerned about NATO as a "threat" to Russian territory?

Looks like Ukraine hit the ammunition storage at the Marinovka air base today, too.

Satellite imagery indicates that at least one Su-34 was destroyed, and several more damaged.

[Jessicka]

nuance applies to civilians

No it doesn't.

[Edge-]

There are reports that NATO will send a 5000-soldier armored brigade to Finland's border with Russia.

Ah, one of the benefits of Russia's decision to invade Ukraine, they now have a lot more NATO territory on their borders!

[YUPPIE]

picture it like this:

if a medic is called upon to patch up one of those cannibalistic serial killers on a pardon to fight in the war, does their job, and that monster is sent back out to fight Ukrainians, do you people not find that medic culpable of any crime

[Corvus]

Turns out the shelters at Marinovka were just thin metal. And the Ukrainians hit it with drones carrying tungsten balls. Thin meal sheet doesn't really protect planes all that well.... For whatever reason, the russians didn't evacuate their planes this time. Guess they thought those hangers would protect them.

And Ukraine has sunk another ship. Well, a ferry actually. A ro-ro carrying fuel cars across the Kerch strait. It burned and sank. russia only had 2 of them and this one is blocking one of the terminals. It be quicker and easier to use the Kerch bridge, but it appears russia is only using it for lighter, shorter passenger trains rather than heavy cargo trains. Possibly the previous attacks have lef them concerned about structural integrity under heavy loads.

[Calfredd]

do you people not find that medic culpable of any crime

No. /tencharacters

[Edge-]

picture it like this:

Please stop sharing your weird fantasies with us.

[PhaelixWW]

if a medic is called upon to patch up one of those cannibalistic serial killers on a pardon to fight in the war, does their job, and that monster is sent back out to fight Ukrainians, do you people not find that medic culpable of any crime

No.

/10char

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Turns out the shelters at Marinovka were just thin metal.

Beat you to it by 4 minutes.

[YUPPIE]

i just dont believe you people can think like that for real when Russian civilians guilty of less like complacency have been blamed and framed as co-conspirators for not standing up to Putin's war.

[Jessicka]

i just dont believe you people can think like that for real when Russian civilians guilty of less like complacency have been blamed and framed as co-conspirators for not standing up to Putin's war.

It’s possible to disagree with a country’s actions and politics and simultaneously not think it’s appropriate to murder the population indiscriminately. The punishment for being a dick should not be a 3000lb glide bomb through their window. Or indeed a shower of hypersonic tungsten ball bearings.

[Endus]

picture it like this:

if a medic is called upon to patch up one of those cannibalistic serial killers on a pardon to fight in the war, does their job, and that monster is sent back out to fight Ukrainians, do you people not find that medic culpable of any crime

Fuck. No.

Apparently, you also don't understand standard international medical ethics, either.

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i just dont believe you people can think like that for real when Russian civilians guilty of less like complacency have been blamed and framed as co-conspirators for not standing up to Putin's war.

The two things aren't remotely comparable.

Which is obvious to basically everyone but you, so it's hard to take your complaint here seriously. You're suggesting that abiding by the Hippocratic Oath should be a death sentence, and you expect to be taken seriously?

The war doesn't even factor into this; if a doctor realizes their patient is a serial killer in general, they're ethically obliged to treat them. They are neither judge nor executioner. They are healers.

[Easo]

Repeating statements made by Kiev about Russian Orthodox Church won't make yourselves sound better than what you claim I do. Kiev also said other funny shit, like "we did not do the thing in Africa we said we did". Vinnytsian school of diplomacy, lol.


In the meantime reality is that this adventure in Kursk has not helped with Donbas at all (oh yeah, make more photos at Pjatorochka/loot it, it will surely help win the war), Russia is not pulling troops from there and is moving forwards to Pokrovsk without pause, it's basically already within mortar range. Latest villages taken are now even looking more or less fine because Ukraine couldn't do what it usually does and hold on to every single house.
This is without even talking about what should be obvious - UA is increasingly looking stuck in Kursk (one would say was even before the 1st week ended).

Must be another paid Russian editor I guess
https://www.economist.com/europe/202...ukrainian-town

[Edge-]

Repeating statements made by Kiev about Russian Orthodox Church won't make yourselves sound better than what you claim I do. Kiev also said other funny shit, like "we did not do the thing in Africa we said we did". Vinnytsian school of diplomacy, lol.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post54533730

???

[Veggie50]

Ukraine is ruthless right now. They are sparing no efforts to make this incursion hard for Russia. Bombing all their important shit.

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nuance applies to civilians (and even then, depending on their mindset), not war time volunteers and assets.

Yuppie confirming he’d be a war criminal targeting medics.

[YUPPIE]

should be a death sentence

no i never expressed any desire for intentional violence - let alone death - on these people, just that they be held responsible for aiding their side's war.

medics weren't the only people brought up here either, since it started with firefighters. So again, let's put it like this: if construction workers from Moscow were deployed hastily to repair the damages Ukraine is doing blowing up bridges Russia builds, do you think those are just people doing a job and not accountable for slowing down Ukraine

[Veggie50]

no i never expressed any desire for intentional violence - let alone death - on these people, just that they be held responsible for aiding their side's war.

medics weren't the only people brought up here either, since it started with firefighters. So again, let's put it like this: if construction workers from Moscow were deployed hastily to repair the damages Ukraine is doing blowing up bridges Russia builds, do you think those are just people doing a job and not accountable for slowing down Ukraine

Yes.

/10char

[Endus]

no i never expressed any desire for intentional violence - let alone death - on these people, just that they be held responsible for aiding their side's war.

Which remains a ridiculous proposition that violates international human rights agreements, including the Geneva Conventions.

medics weren't the only people brought up here either, since it started with firefighters. So again, let's put it like this: if construction workers from Moscow were deployed hastily to repair the damages Ukraine is doing blowing up bridges Russia builds, do you think those are just people doing a job and not accountable for slowing down Ukraine

"Accountable" how? If they're repairing bridges so the Russian Army can cross the river, they're support for the military, and that removes some of the protections on civilians. But not all. They could be fired upon (while working on the bridges), since the bridges are military targets, but you couldn't prosecute them for building bridges as if it's some kind of war crime.

The same does not apply to medical staff.

[PhaelixWW]

medics weren't the only people brought up here either, since it started with firefighters. So again, let's put it like this: if construction workers from Moscow were deployed hastily to repair the damages Ukraine is doing blowing up bridges Russia builds, do you think those are just people doing a job and not accountable for slowing down Ukraine

Russian construction workers building a bridge in Russia are not guilty of a crime.

But bridges are legitimate military targets.

If those workers are injured while a military target is being taken out, that's one thing. If those same workers were followed home and killed, that'd be something completely different.

There's no way you can make your statement okay; what you're talking about are war crimes.

I repeat:

Are you promoting war crimes, Yuppers?

[Corvus]

I see we are just ignoring that the russian orthodox church is part of the russian state apparatus, and that it is actively assisting in the brutal persecution of all non roc churches in occupied Ukraine, which includes the torture and murder of pastors, destruction of churches, forced conversations etc.

In fact russian is rated alongside Iran and Pakistan as among the worst violators or religious freedom.

https://time.com/6969273/russias-war...-evangelicals/