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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Yes, I am sure the churches in Ukraine went and publicly said this. Wait, no they did not, it came from Russia. I guess it makes them all guilty by association and SURELY not because Kiev wants to smother any and all opposition.
    Churches lose their notion of being a “holy, impartial” institution when they start acting in decidedly unholy and partial ways.


    If they’re condoning the invasion and deaths of Ukrainians a fancy robe and claims of following some divine purpose doesn’t exonerate them or make them “beyond rebuke.”
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    Something is going very wrong for UA at Pokrovsk, within two days Russians are in the center of Novogrodovka after arriving at it, seemingly have taken Krutoj and Krasnij Yar and deep in Grodovka - after that there is basically the Pokrovsk itself.
    The city will fall while the Kursk stupidity continues and that also means all major fortification lines in the eastern Donbas will have been breached - nothing even remotely comparable to what Avdiivka had (fall of which started this) up until Dniepr. I am sure Putin cares oh so much about the embarrassment up in the north

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odinfrost View Post
    What the hell are you on about?!
    How is what Russian churches in Russia say by Russians, a Ukrainian ploy?!
    It is very simple - up to you to decide whether Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine was all controlled by Moscow. Kiev says yes, I am saying they are full of shit.
    Did priests running those churches went out to say oh yeah, SVO good, listen to Moscow and quote that article? Pretty sure that in general they did not.

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    I do wonder if he'll acknowledge this or just repeat himself and ignore your post once more.
    There will be a day where you hopefully will understand that you should have believed a lot less as to what Ukraine said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    There will be a day where you hopefully will understand that you should have believed a lot less as to what Ukraine said.
    But aren't those documents from the Russian Orthodox Church itself?

    http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/6116189.html

    Because according to this Wikipedia page for the Russian Orthodox Church, patriarchia.ru is the official page of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church

    http://www.patriarchia.ru/

    Can you help clear up some of my confusion, comrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    There will be a day where you hopefully will understand that you should have believed a lot less as to what Ukraine said.
    Take it up with the Fog of War

  5. #40825
    Quote Originally Posted by Doomcookie View Post
    Maybe Hungary should tell Russia to go the fuck home.
    Orbán first became famous for doing exactly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Something is going very wrong for UA at Pokrovsk, within two days Russians are in the center of Novogrodovka after arriving at it, seemingly have taken Krutoj and Krasnij Yar and deep in Grodovka - after that there is basically the Pokrovsk itself.
    They already ordered the evacuation like what ... Week + ago?

    Has it occured to you that Ukraine wants to fight the Russians in Pokrovsk?

    The overall strategy of Ukraine for months has been "kill as many Russians as possible, until it becomes unsustainable".

    How many lives are the Russians going to throw into meat cubes to take that town?

    I understand that you are desperately trying to push the whole "Russia stronk" narrative, but here's the thing.

    The Russians could lose another 100k soldiers and take the whole of Donbass, it doesn't matter as long as there's a chunk of their own land held by Ukraine. And even if they took it back from Ukraine at the cost of a few more tens of thousands of lives it still doesn't matter.

    They are killing themselves in the process, economically, logistically, demographically, politically and optically.

    Russia has irreversibly proved itself to be a dying empire that cannot even protect its own border, despite being a nuclear power, and that's how everyone sees them and it will inevitably fail at controlling Ukraine, just as it has failed utterly in its effort to reassert itself as a major power.

    Now Mr Foggywar, please go back to whatever Telegram channel you are coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Something is going very wrong for UA at Pokrovsk, within two days Russians are in the center of Novogrodovka after arriving at it, seemingly have taken Krutoj and Krasnij Yar and deep in Grodovka - after that there is basically the Pokrovsk itself.
    The city will fall while the Kursk stupidity continues and that also means all major fortification lines in the eastern Donbas will have been breached - nothing even remotely comparable to what Avdiivka had (fall of which started this) up until Dniepr. I am sure Putin cares oh so much about the embarrassment up in the north

    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1826861185653723140


    It is very simple - up to you to decide whether Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine was all controlled by Moscow. Kiev says yes, I am saying they are full of shit.
    Did priests running those churches went out to say oh yeah, SVO good, listen to Moscow and quote that article? Pretty sure that in general they did not.



    There will be a day where you hopefully will understand that you should have believed a lot less as to what Ukraine said.
    It's weird watching people who support the bad guys, and wear it as a badge of honor.

  8. #40828
    Pretty fucking slim. Viktor Orban may be little more than a mouthpiece for Putin, but he's got zero incentive to actually get militarily involved because that would go very badly for Hungary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    picture it like this:

    if a medic is called upon to patch up one of those cannibalistic serial killers on a pardon to fight in the war, does their job, and that monster is sent back out to fight Ukrainians, do you people not find that medic culpable of any crime
    No, because the hippocratic oath compels them to do their job without fear or favour, not passing judgement upon the patient based on their circumstances.

    They treat everyone equally, and thus are absolved from consequence as it's not their role to be judge, jury and executioner.
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  10. #40830
    Day 6 of the big oil depot fire and it is still burning and spreading. It has started grass fires that have spread beyond the depot.

    The efforts to contain it have now reached 600 fire-fighters, 2 trains, 3 aircraft and 2 priests. Russian orthodox of course, as all others are persecuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Day 6 of the big oil depot fire and it is still burning and spreading. It has started grass fires that have spread beyond the depot.

    The efforts to contain it have now reached 600 fire-fighters, 2 trains, 3 aircraft and 2 priests. Russian orthodox of course, as all others are persecuted.
    Priests...what? Just to add something else useless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Priests...what? Just to add something else useless?
    Regular water isn't working, bust out the Holy good stuff I guess?

    But more seriously I suspect it's for morale/last rites purposes for the fire fighters having to deal with hell on earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Priests...what? Just to add something else useless?
    мысли и молитвы?
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok


    If you look, you can see the straw man walking a red herring up a slippery slope coming to join this conversation.

  14. #40834
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Day 6 of the big oil depot fire and it is still burning and spreading.
    Where's John Wayne and the Hellfighters when you need them?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    Priests...what? Just to add something else useless?
    They brought in 2 priests to wave around an icon and bless fire trucks.. No, I am not making this up.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ck-2024-08-21/
    Last edited by Corvus; 2024-08-23 at 10:37 PM.

  16. #40836
    as outlandish as that article sounds, Hungary can go to miliary conflict with Ukraine if it decided to within its interests (gas). It is not off the cards, as Ukraine is not a part of NATO. Sure it'd come with backlash but do not dismiss it as unthinkable.

    Turkey does plenty of heinous shit and holds alliances against the US' interests despite being part of NATO for instance.

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    Sure but they won't, because that would probably see them swiftly hoofed out of NATO and their lack of a nuclear arsenal would see them turn into Yugoslavia circa 1999.

    So stop with your doomsaying fantasy right there.
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  18. #40838
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Goblin View Post
    Sure but they won't, because that would probably see them swiftly hoofed out of NATO.
    People have already long called upon Hungary to be kicked out of NATO and the EU for Orban’s actions to nothing ever happening. I chose my words carefully to avoid saying “war” and instead said “military conflict” like a low skirmish over resources. If they had a reason to engage in such actions, why would that finalize Hungary actually being kicked out if they had a reason? Turkey should have been long kicked out of NATO then for trying to regularly reason with Assad and its actions against the Kurds.

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    If Hungary goes to war with Ukraine while Ukraine is directly receiving NATO aid and support they'd be out on their arse.

    The Turkey situation isn't even comparable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    People have already long called upon Hungary to be kicked out of NATO and the EU for Orban’s actions to nothing ever happening. I chose my words carefully to avoid saying “war” and instead said “military conflict” like a low skirmish over resources. If they had a reason to engage in such actions, why would that finalize Hungary actually being kicked out if they had a reason? Turkey should have been long kicked out of NATO then for trying to regularly reason with Assad and its actions against the Kurds.
    Who called for it? Your imaginary friends?
    1. Its not exactly just 'kick em out'
    2. Everyone knows it's better to have the dumbfuck Orban within than outside.

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