Russian invasion of Ukraine

[diller]

as outlandish as that article sounds, Hungary can go to miliary conflict with Ukraine if it decided to within its interests (gas). It is not off the cards, as Ukraine is not a part of NATO. Sure it'd come with backlash but do not dismiss it as unthinkable.

It IS unthinkable, you are the only one who thinks it's an actual scenario that could happen.

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People have already long called upon Hungary to be kicked out of NATO and the EU for Orban’s actions to nothing ever happening.

Because neither of those institutions have it in their rules that a member can be kicked out, it's obviously an oversight.

[Specialka]

Don't know why you all are reacting so much to what Yuppie says ? My guess is too much free time and energy.

[Endus]

Don't know why you all are reacting so much to what Yuppie says ? My guess is too much free time and energy.

And why are you reacting so much to all of us reacting?

Why do you even have an account on a forum where back-and-forth discussion is the purpose of its existence?

Same answers, in the end.

[Specialka]

And why are you reacting so much to all of us reacting?

Why do you even have an account on a forum where back-and-forth discussion is the purpose of its existence?

Same answers, in the end.

Because it is quite boring to read the same arguments to the same BS ad nauseum and bis repetita.

[YUPPIE]

Because neither of those institutions have it in their rules that a member can be kicked out, it's obviously an oversight.

then...again...why would Hungary then be kicked out if it came into conflict within its interests? It's not like I ever said they would pledge fealty or allegiance to Russia. "Within their own interests" is just as it sounds.

Like sure the gas security/flow would be from Russia, but fighting over its access does not mean pledging allegiance to Russia.

Over the course of this war, Ukraine has already had high tensions with Poland for example.

[alach]

Because it is quite boring to read the same arguments to the same BS ad nauseum and bis repetita.

I actually agree.
It's frustrating to expect news about the war only to open this and see 2+ pages of people responding to a daily YUPPIE nonsense post.
On the other hand, the thread would barely move without him.

[Gabriel]

Because it is quite boring to read the same arguments to the same BS ad nauseum and bis repetita.

People who are not paid to post here give up too easily when you start really throwing down with them.

[Gorsameth]

It IS unthinkable, you are the only one who thinks it's an actual scenario that could happen.

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Because neither of those institutions have it in their rules that a member can be kicked out, it's obviously an oversight.

That's the wonderful thing about international treaties. They work entirely by magic and make belief.

Sure the EU and NATO don't have a formal way to evict a member against their will, but if the rest of the involved countries decide to act as if your no longer part of the team there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

[LeGin v4]

People who are not paid to post here give up too easily when you start really throwing down with them.

Yup

On today's morning:

Out of interest: what nationality are you? "Today's morning" would translate well from e.g., a Slavic language, but is incorrect. A native English speaker would say "This morning"

[Zaydin]

Any chance we can just stop feeding Yuppie and his apocalypse fetish? He has nothing of substance to add to the conversation.

Russia has declared countless red lines and they have each been crossed and Russia has done jack in response.

[AntiFascistVoter]

Any chance we can just stop feeding Yuppie and his apocalypse fetish? He has nothing of substance to add to the conversation.

Russia has declared countless red lines and they have each been crossed and Russia has done jack in response.

Nope, he's firmly the fault of the mods and MAGIC FIND owners being dumb and obteuse.
Constant doomposting and gaslighting are forms of emotional abuse.
He's constantly trying to wind up everyone, and the mods are ok them abusing other posters this way.

Then there's this thing were some parents/wardens enjoy watching bullies work. Then blame the victims for fighting back. These are people whole fall somewhere on the fascism spectrum.

[Kaleredar]

I set Yuppie on ignore a long time ago.

It makes finding this thread a bit of a pill, but you can always navigate back to it easily via a response someone gave a comment you left in this thread.

It's less frustrating than seeing Yuppie's constant stream of nonsense, that's for sure.

[PhaelixWW]

Ukraine celebrated their Independence Day with some early fireworks... by reportedly blowing up 5000 tons of ammunition in a supply warehouse in Ostrogozhsky yesterday. Parts of Voronezh are now in a state of emergency as a result of the attack.

Ukraine also unveiled a new long-range jet-powered UAV bomb, nicknamed Palianytsia, which is speculated to have been used in said warehouse attack.

Meanwhile, Polish President Andrzej Duda said, during a visit to Kyiv, that NATO is continuing to debate protecting Ukrainian skies from Russian missiles, though that may just be wishful thinking.

[Slant]

What the chances Hungary will come into conflict with Ukraine since Ukraine is not a part of NATO?

They said to stop (literally a "stop it") their incursion since they want a steady stream of gas.

Hungary’s government spokesman, Gergely Gulyás, called for a ceasefire in Ukraine’s military operation in Russia’s Kursk Oblast. Speaking to the Hungarian outlet Telex, Gulyás claimed Hungary’s commitment to peace and highlighted concerns over alleged Europe’s energy security. The Hungarian government, led by Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, consistently advocates for a truce that aligns with Russian terms, implying legitimization of Russian occupation in Ukraine.

Hungary, especially Orban, is an isolated country that has zero weight in the EU, NATO or Europe in general. Nobody gives a shit what Hungary says.

Apparently, Hungary also blames the EU-Commission for the end to gas deliveries. Probably because the EU Commission told Hungary to quit being Putin's lapdog.

Nothing you said in your post has any relevance or is of note to anyone that matters. Just like nobody gives a flying fuck what Putin says.

[Corvus]

Calling the new drone Palianytsia is a bit more trolling on the part of the Ukrainians. I is named for a type of bread culturally significant to them. But it is also a shibboleth word - due to the differences between russian and Ukrainian, russians mispronounce it so that the Ukrainians can uncover russians pretending to be Ukrainians.

[YUPPIE]

Ukraine wants to allegedly hit Moscow

Ukraine wants Western approval to use long-range Storm Shadow missiles to target objectives deep within Russia to pressure Moscow into negotiating a ceasefire, according to The Guardian.

Ukrainian officials are contemplating the use of Anglo-French Storm Shadow missiles in a demonstration attack to illustrate to the Kremlin that military targets near the Russian capital could be vulnerable to direct hits.

A senior Ukrainian official suggested that Russia might only consider negotiating if it perceives a credible threat to Moscow and Saint Petersburg. However, this strategy involves high risk and is not currently supported by the United States.

"Ukraine has been lobbying for months to be allowed to use Storm Shadow against targets inside Russia, but with little success. Nevertheless, as its army struggles on the eastern front, there is a growing belief that its best hope lies in counter-attack," The Guardian reports.

The Guardian recalls President Zelenskyy’s Independence Day speech in which he promised retaliation against the aggressor state for missile attacks on civilian areas.

"Our enemy will also know what the Ukrainian retaliation means,” the president said. “Worthy, symmetrical and long-range. They will know that, sooner or later, a Ukrainian response will reach any point in the Russian Federation that is a source of danger to the life of our state and our people," President Zelenskyy said.

According to The Guardian, Kyiv believes that demonstrating the Ukrainian military's capability to strike deep into Russia might prompt the Kremlin to reassess its strategy.

"Storm Shadow missiles were developed primarily by an Anglo-French collaboration and are made by European joint venture MBDA, which also has an Italian partner. But because some of its components are supplied by the US, the White House also has to agree to its use inside Russia. It has so far refused to do so, fearing an escalation of the conflict," The Guardian writes.

American officials told Politico that they believe Storm Shadow missiles and other long-range systems might lack precision over extended distances. They noted that Russian fighters, which have launched glide bombs into front-line areas of Ukraine, were mostly stationed outside the missile's range as a precaution.

"Although it can be argued that the drone attacks are a substitute, one strand of thinking in Kyiv is that by showing Russia it can strike deep inside the country with missiles, it could prompt a reassessment in the Kremlin. However, few believe President Vladimir Putin is interested in calling a halt," The Guardian notes.

The Guardian also reminds us that Ukraine has received the export version of Storm Shadow missiles from the UK and France, known in France as SCALP. These missiles have a range of about 190 miles (approximately 305 km), while both the UK and France possess domestic versions with double the range.

Moscow is located approximately 300 miles (about 482 km) from Ukraine’s northern border.

[Doomcookie]

-Unexplained yearning for shirtless men shooting at each other-

Are you worried about all those Stalin statues you love so much?

[YUPPIE]

this just sounds unusually bloodthirsty to me:

"Our enemy will also know what the Ukrainian retaliation means,” the president said. “Worthy, symmetrical and long-range. They will know that, sooner or later, a Ukrainian response will reach any point in the Russian Federation that is a source of danger to the life of our state and our people," President Zelenskyy said.

[Doomcookie]

this just sounds unusually bloodthirsty to me:

"Our enemy will also know what the Ukrainian retaliation means,” the president said. “Worthy, symmetrical and long-range. They will know that, sooner or later, a Ukrainian response will reach any point in the Russian Federation that is a source of danger to the life of our state and our people," President Zelenskyy said.

Tell your buddy Putin to go home.

[YUPPIE]

but keep in mind "wants to" is very different from "going to," so we can be rest assured they won't because all of Ukraine's allies and benefactors would rescind their support if they actually attacked Moscow. It's just a spook tactic.