Russian invasion of Ukraine

[DarkAmbient]

As a swede, I have to tell my son that there is not going to be a war here. But I don't believe what I am saying. Putin is angry, mad, crazy, he is going to attack NATO next, and we will have a nuclear war. Unless Russian people remove him. Nobody else can do this except Russian people, so PLEASE, end this war.

I'd like to say he definitely wouldn't, but a few days ago I still thought he probably wouldn't invade Ukraine. That said, I just can't see him picking a fight with NATO. It would be the end of him.

[alkyd]

I'd like to say he definitely wouldn't, but a few days ago I still thought he probably wouldn't invade Ukraine. That said, I just can't see him picking a fight with NATO. It would be the end of him.

As history has shown, Russia never started a fight with major powers. It got invaded by them instead. So I wouldn't bet on Russia attacking NATO as well.

[Fuiking]

As history has shown, Russia never started a fight with major powers. It got invaded by them instead. So I wouldn't bet on Russia attacking NATO as well.

The Deluge, comes to mind.

[Saradain]

As history has shown, Russia never started a fight with major powers. It got invaded by them instead. So I wouldn't bet on Russia attacking NATO as well.

Russia is only capable of terrorizing weaker nations and justifying their massacre with 100% false propaganda-based reasons. Cowards to the core.

[Voidwielder]

As history has shown, Russia never started a fight with major powers. It got invaded by them instead. So I wouldn't bet on Russia attacking NATO as well.

Yah, I mean you can't count Poland and Finland as major powers. Instead it attacks the weaker states (relative to Russia and it's previous incarnations).

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Do the last three paragraphs sound familiar?

[Nitrax]

As history has shown, Russia never started a fight with major powers. It got invaded by them instead. So I wouldn't bet on Russia attacking NATO as well.

You may be right when talking about RUSSIA, but this is Putin the madman. I can imagine how frustrated he is right now, he thought that Ukrainans would just give up like Afghan people after US left (and I really understand the afghans, no blame on them really). He might just be crazy enough to start a fight with NATO just *beacuse* it is the last "great" thing he will do.

[Fuiking]

Putin: ''lets blitz for Kiev!'' *fails to blitz to Kiev* .. ''Sir, do we continue and use everything we have?'' Putin: ''Yes.''

[alkyd]

The Deluge, comes to mind.

and less than half a century earlier, Poland invaded Russia. Everything else that came after that were just the consequences of that.

[Gorsameth]

Putin: ''lets blitz for Kiev!'' *fails to blitz to Kiev* .. ''Sir, do we continue and use everything we have?'' Putin: ''Yes.''

This is absolutely not 'everything Russia has'.

[Easo]

This is absolutely not 'everything Russia has'.

People here have serious issues with underestimating Russian army.

[Nitrax]

This is absolutely not 'everything Russia has'.

I agree, they could probably fill the skies with planes, drive tanks over tanks until they filled the rivers, and send their fleet so they could walk to crimea. Putin sent a sizable enough force as he really thought Ukrainans would just give up. He believes in his own delusions. That means he can make up any story and believe it is real. Will he blow up ships in Kaliningrad and say that the baltic states attacked? I'm sure that plan is somewhere on his desk.

[Fuiking]

I agree, they could probably fill the skies with planes, drive tanks over tanks until they filled the rivers, and send their fleet so they could walk to crimea. Putin sent a sizable enough force as he really thought Ukrainans would just give up. He believes in his own delusions. That means he can make up any story and believe it is real. Will he blow up ships in Kaliningrad and say that the baltic states attacked? I'm sure that plan is somewhere on his desk.

or maybe he says it was the swedes / finns who did that?

[alkyd]

or maybe he says it was the swedes / finns who did that?

Please don't give him ideas. He is already spooked enough.

[P for Pancetta]

This is absolutely not 'everything Russia has'.

yeah but at the rate they're losing stuff now they won't last until the end of the year. The main idea behind Russia's might was their military being experiences and well trained combined with it being large. Their equipment is sup par compared to Chinese or western technology. Now that the Russian Army has proven to be an unhinged mess without a solid central command structure capable of handling an entire modern army doing one massive operation they don't look that impressive anymore. A large group of badly trained soldiers with sub par equipment is a joke to any modern army.

[Azadina]

As a swede, I have to tell my son that there is not going to be a war here. But I don't believe what I am saying. Putin is angry, mad, crazy, he is going to attack NATO next, and we will have a nuclear war. Unless Russian people remove him. Nobody else can do this except Russian people, so PLEASE, end this war.

You have time and opportunity to join NATO, because you have an ocean and Finland between you and Russia. Don't take too long on it however.

[Forogil]

While that was embarrassing that's a few years behind us now. In recent times we actually have a functioning but small military again.

Interesting, I keep hearing the same about other countries in Europe, i.e. a recently rebuilt small functioning military, after Georgia and Crimea. I can only hope that the reaction was fast and sufficient enough.

[Nitrax]

or maybe he says it was the swedes / finns who did that?

No he will count on the Swedes being "neutral" until "whoops we are speaking russian in schools now". And he know finland isn't worth it, going through finland is like choosing the mud swamp over the highway. They are a meat shield that he will eventually have to deal with.

[alkyd]

No he will count on the Swedes being "neutral" until "whoops we are speaking russian in schools now". And he know finland isn't worth it, going through finland is like choosing the mud swamp over the highway. They are a meat shield that he will eventually have to deal with.

Aren't you speaking Arabic in schools already anyway?

[Jastall]

People here have serious issues with underestimating Russian army.

It's nowhere close to Russia's total force that's for sure, but it does seem pretty telling as to how well Russia can project said force, IE not very well by the looks of it. Even then, it's probably enough. I don't see the Ukrainians holding Kiev for that long, and once it falls so does the government for all intents and purposes. It just takes longer than anticipated.

I also have a suspicion that said government arming the populace is armed in part at poisoning Putin's victory. They know they can't win, and they also know that whenever the territory ends up a client state or a puppet, it's going to have plenty of armed anti-Russian partisans running around the place. Ukraine is only at the beginning of its woes I'm afraid.

[Nitrax]

At least we kicked them out of the eurovision song contest. "oh noooo"