1. #4081
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrax View Post
    As a swede, I have to tell my son that there is not going to be a war here. But I don't believe what I am saying. Putin is angry, mad, crazy, he is going to attack NATO next, and we will have a nuclear war. Unless Russian people remove him. Nobody else can do this except Russian people, so PLEASE, end this war.
    You have time and opportunity to join NATO, because you have an ocean and Finland between you and Russia. Don't take too long on it however.
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    True, I was just bored and tired but you are correct.

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    millennials were the kids of the 9/11 survivors.

  2. #4082
    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    While that was embarrassing that's a few years behind us now. In recent times we actually have a functioning but small military again.
    Interesting, I keep hearing the same about other countries in Europe, i.e. a recently rebuilt small functioning military, after Georgia and Crimea. I can only hope that the reaction was fast and sufficient enough.

  3. #4083
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    or maybe he says it was the swedes / finns who did that?
    No he will count on the Swedes being "neutral" until "whoops we are speaking russian in schools now". And he know finland isn't worth it, going through finland is like choosing the mud swamp over the highway. They are a meat shield that he will eventually have to deal with.

  4. #4084
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrax View Post
    No he will count on the Swedes being "neutral" until "whoops we are speaking russian in schools now". And he know finland isn't worth it, going through finland is like choosing the mud swamp over the highway. They are a meat shield that he will eventually have to deal with.
    Aren't you speaking Arabic in schools already anyway?

  5. #4085
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    People here have serious issues with underestimating Russian army.
    It's nowhere close to Russia's total force that's for sure, but it does seem pretty telling as to how well Russia can project said force, IE not very well by the looks of it. Even then, it's probably enough. I don't see the Ukrainians holding Kiev for that long, and once it falls so does the government for all intents and purposes. It just takes longer than anticipated.

    I also have a suspicion that said government arming the populace is armed in part at poisoning Putin's victory. They know they can't win, and they also know that whenever the territory ends up a client state or a puppet, it's going to have plenty of armed anti-Russian partisans running around the place. Ukraine is only at the beginning of its woes I'm afraid.
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  6. #4086
    At least we kicked them out of the eurovision song contest. "oh noooo"

  7. #4087
    Quote Originally Posted by P for Pancetta View Post
    yeah but at the rate they're losing stuff now they won't last until the end of the year. The main idea behind Russia's might was their military being experiences and well trained combined with it being large. Their equipment is sup par compared to Chinese or western technology. Now that the Russian Army has proven to be an unhinged mess without a solid central command structure capable of handling an entire modern army doing one massive operation they don't look that impressive anymore. A large group of badly trained soldiers with sub par equipment is a joke to any modern army.
    Dude, stop. Next you are gonna sound like certain Ukrainians who are talking about taking back Crimea after this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    It's nowhere close to Russia's total force that's for sure, but it does seem pretty telling as to how well Russia can project said force, IE not very well by the looks of it. Even then, it's probably enough. I don't see the Ukrainians holding Kiev for that long, and once it falls so does the government for all intents and purposes. It just takes longer than anticipated.

    I also have a suspicion that said government arming the populace is armed in part at poisoning Putin's victory. They know they can't win, and they also know that whenever the territory ends up a client state or a puppet, it's going to have plenty of armed anti-Russian partisans running around the place. Ukraine is only at the beginning of its woes I'm afraid.
    Gotta go fast, because PR and possibly hopes that Ukraine would collapse in the face of reality about having to actually fight Russia now (far from unlikely turn of events). There is a reason why so many sources are talking about heavy equipment moving forwards only now.

    As for the partisans, after military police will start shooting anyone coming too close ot them it will end fast. As of now those people are spending time shooting each other in fears of diversants, they won't become much better partisans after it.
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  8. #4088
    If I understand correctly this conflict, the troops seem to be sleeping mostly in the day and attack at night? I have no idea how war works but may I ask where the invader's troops sleep and eat and are they vulnerable when doing so?

    Those who roam all over the city, do they know where they have to return? It seems there are many who are lost all over the place.

  9. #4089
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrax View Post
    At least we kicked them out of the eurovision song contest. "oh noooo"
    In 2019, during Eurovision in Israel, EBU (European Broadcasting Union) didn't seem to mind holding the competition in a country that is heavily criticized for its actions against Palestinians. But it's a different thread for another day.

    Anyway, Eurovision fined one of their participants 5,000 euro, the Icelandic entrants Hatari for holding a Palestinian flag during voting, citing that Eurovision is of non-political nature.
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  10. #4090
    This is the end of the Ukrainian state as we know it. The best way to prevent Maidan 2.0 is partition it and leave it with the weakest regions.

  11. #4091
    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    If I understand correctly this conflict, the troops seem to be sleeping mostly in the day and attack at night? I have no idea how war works but may I ask where the invader's troops sleep and eat and are they vulnerable when doing so?

    Those who roam all over the city, do they know where they have to return? It seems there are many who are lost all over the place.
    Troops on front are rotated regularly (in normal circumstances).
    What city are you talking about? Who are lost? Russians? Local militia?
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  12. #4092
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Troops on front are rotated regularly (in normal circumstances).
    What city are you talking about? Who are lost? Russians? Local militia?
    Yeah but where do they sleep? do they steal houses? How are they delivered food?

    I see some troops moving alone and getting attacked in some cases. I saw a tank getting hit by lots of molotov.

  13. #4093
    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    This is the end of the Ukrainian state as we know it. The best way to prevent Maidan 2.0 is partition it and leave it with the weakest regions.
    History is a marathon not a sprint not to mention last I checked Putin wasn't immortal.

  14. #4094
    Germany now backs 'targeted' restrictions of Russian Swift membership. Source BBC.

  15. #4095
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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    History is a marathon not a sprint not to mention last I checked Putin wasn't immortal.
    He may be gone, and his successor may not be as trigger happy, but Russia will keep strong-arming others, will keep using fossil fuels as a political tool, will keep financing populist groups in hopes of breaking EU apart, will keep commencing cyber attacks etc. And they will never release seized territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noremorze View Post
    Germany now backs 'targeted' restrictions of Russian Swift membership. Source BBC.
    Then don't we have a unison agreement now?
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  16. #4096
    Quote Originally Posted by Vampiregenesis View Post
    Yeah but where do they sleep? do they steal houses? How are they delivered food?

    I see some troops moving alone and getting attacked in some cases.
    I am not the right person to ask about the huge science called logistics. They sleep in vehicles, tents (before front lines, of course), trenches, sometimes yes to taking over houses. It really depends.

    Those troops are moving during the day, either to supply or reinforce. Multiple reasons why they got caught, fog of war is a real thing, not only in strategy games.
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  17. #4097
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    He may be gone, and his successor may not be as trigger happy, but Russia will keep strong-arming others, will keep using fossil fuels as a political tool, will keep financing populist groups in hopes of breaking EU apart etc.
    But Putin doesn't have a successor and its too late to establish a strong one when he dies the huge power vacuum will most likely cause a civil war or power scramble at best. This is history repeating itself that's the problem with Putin he can't trust anyone long enough to be a good successor and his country will pay a price when he dies.

  18. #4098
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    He may be gone, and his successor may not be as trigger happy, but Russia will keep strong-arming others, will keep using fossil fuels as a political tool, will keep financing populist groups in hopes of breaking EU apart, will keep commencing cyber attacks etc. And they will never release seized territories.

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    Then don't we have a unison agreement now?
    I think so yes, if I'm correct Germany was the last one that blocked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    But Putin doesn't have a successor and its too late to establish a strong one when he dies the huge power vacuum will most likely cause a civil war or power scramble at best. This is history repeating itself that's the problem with Putin he can't trust anyone long enough to be a good successor and his country will pay a price when he dies.
    What is the history that repeats itself? There were multiple candidates for taking over after Lenin, but Staling quickly managed to get on top. No way there will be a civil war over leadership. A candidate will emerge, but how successfully his reigns will be afterwards, that is an entirely different matter. Besides, he may already have a candidate, just did not reveal it.
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  20. #4100
    CNN reports that: Russian thermobaric "vacuum bombs" launcher seen by CNN team in Ukraine. More warcrimes inc soon I'm afraid.

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