Russian invasion of Ukraine

[YUPPIE]

I'm more shocked people in this thread doubt Russia's status as one of the US' foremost greatest enemies. It's been that way since even before WW2, and once Hitler and Imperial Japan were dealt with, hostilities resumed pretty much immediately.

ONE OF PUTIN'S VERY GOALS WITH THIS WAR is to start "a new world order" and dismantle what he sees as Western imperialism. These are things in his mind of course but it shows how much he hates the West.

And when people claim if the US cared they would instantly squash Russia, that would come with MAD. They're invested in this war because it's an opportunity for Russia to lose its power while having a proxy in Ukraine to do its battle without much risk as long as they control the direction and pacing of it.

[Slant]

Well, shit, haha.

Apparently, Ukraine just announced that they've successfully tested their first home-built ballistic missile.

This is in addition to the Palianytsia drone that was discussed before.

Supposedly, this is the result of a project that's been going off-and-on for nearly 20 years.

One definitely wonders how much assistance was given by foreign partners on the last legs of the project. It does occur to me that this is a way for some countries who are more worried about being seen as the cause for escalation (rather than being worried about the escalation itself) to have the same effect without the exposure.

A serious amount of Soviet tech was developed in Ukraine. Soviet rockets were developed by Ukraine, for example. I am not at all surprised they managed to repeat the achievement rather quickly once they set their minds to it. Probably with minimal outside help, too. Parts, money... but it's not like SpaceX is parking some Dragons in Kyiv and somehow forgot about them...

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I'm more shocked people in this thread doubt Russia's status as one of the US' foremost greatest enemies. It's been that way since even before WW2, and once Hitler and Imperial Japan were dealt with, hostilities resumed pretty much immediately.

ONE OF PUTIN'S VERY GOALS WITH THIS WAR is to start "a new world order" and dismantle what he sees as Western imperialism. These are things in his mind of course but it shows how much he hates the West.

And when people claim if the US cared they would instantly squash Russia, that would come with MAD. They're invested in this war because it's an opportunity for Russia to lose its power while having a proxy in Ukraine to do its battle without much risk as long as they control the direction and pacing of it.

Nonsense. Russia was an insignificant shithole. The US didn't give two shits about Russia. And Europe only had an interest because of the incestuous relationships among royals in imperial Europe.

About MAD... Ukraine is making a very, very fine and good point right about now. Seems the only thing one can say about Russia is that Russians always, always lie. I wouldn't put it past them not to have a single working nuclear device at this stage. And those pussies are probably afraid of the response if they ever launch a nuke on anyone, because they know that unlike them, the Western nations that have nukes keep them in pretty good condition.

Russia's a joke. Putin's a clown. Once this shitshow is over, Russia as you love and revere it won't exist anymore. And any memory of the Soviet Union will be deleted as the massive experiment in stupid that it was.

[Doomcookie]

I'm more shocked people in this thread doubt Russia's status as one of the US' foremost greatest enemies. It's been that way since even before WW2, and once Hitler and Imperial Japan were dealt with, hostilities resumed pretty much immediately.

ONE OF PUTIN'S VERY GOALS WITH THIS WAR is to start "a new world order" and dismantle what he sees as Western imperialism. These are things in his mind of course but it shows how much he hates the West.

And when people claim if the US cared they would instantly squash Russia, that would come with MAD. They're invested in this war because it's an opportunity for Russia to lose its power while having a proxy in Ukraine to do its battle without much risk as long as they control the direction and pacing of it.

How shocked are you?

[Makabreska]

I'm more shocked people in this thread doubt Russia's status as one of the US' foremost greatest enemies.

Son, you have been saying same thing about current Cuba. I'm sure that in your head Russia and Putin are some kind of a mythical evil force, but unfortunate we here operate on facts and logic. Try it once.

[Endus]

I'm more shocked people in this thread doubt Russia's status as one of the US' foremost greatest enemies. It's been that way since even before WW2, and once Hitler and Imperial Japan were dealt with, hostilities resumed pretty much immediately.

You're deeply confused. Russia, in its modern form, did not exist prior to 1991. That's when it was established. Prior to that we're talking about the USSR, and Russia is not the USSR. Everything you're referencing here has to do with the USSR. Not modern Russia. It's like trying to claim that Britain and Portugal and Spain and the Netherlands are all global superpowers, today. Because they used to be part of a much larger conglomerate empire.

Modern Russia is not even considered a fully developed nation, let alone a superpower. Whereas the USSR very much was a superpower.

Nobody in the West is afraid of Russia. They've spent over a year demonstrating they can't even subjugate a single developing border nation, let alone present a global threat of any kind.

Telling everyone to be deeply afraid of modern Russia because of the strength of the USSR 50+ years ago is like telling everyone they should be real afraid of the Spanish Armada.

[Calfredd]

Son, you have been saying same thing about current Cuba. I'm sure that in your head Russia and Putin are some kind of a mythical evil force, but unfortunate we here operate on facts and logic. Try it once.

And before that, he was talking about China and North Korea (can't remember which was 1st and 2nd).

[Jessicka]

I'm more shocked people in this thread doubt Russia's status as one of the US' foremost greatest enemies. It's been that way since even before WW2, and once Hitler and Imperial Japan were dealt with, hostilities resumed pretty much immediately.

ONE OF PUTIN'S VERY GOALS WITH THIS WAR is to start "a new world order" and dismantle what he sees as Western imperialism. These are things in his mind of course but it shows how much he hates the West.

And when people claim if the US cared they would instantly squash Russia, that would come with MAD. They're invested in this war because it's an opportunity for Russia to lose its power while having a proxy in Ukraine to do its battle without much risk as long as they control the direction and pacing of it.

What has the current Russian federation given the world? Aside from cybercrime, money laundering and misery?

[Specialka]

What has the current Russian federation given the world? Aside from cybercrime, money laundering and misery?

Very dangerous path to tread on as it leads directly to nation bashing and this could be done with quite a few country starting with the USA.

[Jessicka]

Very dangerous path to tread on as it leads directly to nation bashing and this could be done with quite a few country starting with the USA.

Really? The USSR gave the world a ton of innovation. It transformed from an agricultural barely subsistence economy to a world leader in space travel in 50 years. Where did all that go?

As for the USA, a lot of innovation came from there too. That’s what I’m asking about.

Instead of innovating it’s looking to actively hold the world back to depend on its gas. Instead of trying to get better, it’s trying to steal land from its neighbours.

[Kaleredar]

Very dangerous path to tread on as it leads directly to nation bashing and this could be done with quite a few country starting with the USA.

Yeah but Russia is the only one currently invading a bordering sovereign nation.

Well I mean I guess Ukraine is also currently invading Russia, but that’s just hilarious.

[alach]

Don't forget cheating at the Olympics, getting caught, then blaming "the west"
Or shooting down a passenger jet, getting caught, then blaming "the west"
Oh blaming the west for all their problems, that's a Russian invention too.

[Poopymonster]

Very dangerous path to tread on as it leads directly to nation bashing and this could be done with quite a few country starting with the USA.

Here in the US we're given the world terrorism disguised as Democracy.
We "liberate" countries with resources we want. When the country asks why we blew up their infrastructure, they are warned we can Liberate them some more.
We set a pretty high bar for weekly atrocities.
We have firearm worship, while denying the same protected status to the "gifts from god" they call children.
And we're the world's beta tester for late stage capitalism.

Off the top of my head.

[Kaleredar]

Here in the US we're given the world terrorism disguised as Democracy.
We "liberate" countries with resources we want. When the country asks why we blew up their infrastructure, they are warned we can Liberate them some more.
We set a pretty high bar for weekly atrocities.
We have firearm worship, while denying the same protected status to the "gifts from god" they call children.
And we're the world's beta tester for late stage capitalism.

Off the top of my head.

Yeah and people in the US aren’t too kowtowed and brow beaten to say so.

Many in the US don’t like to acknowledge it, and some would even froth and rage that such talk is “unpatriotic ” and other such tripe. But there’s actually a sizeable group that does acknowledge it and wants to change it. Rather than sitting quietly with their heads down, content to watch the backslide. And they don’t have to be afraid of being tossed out of windows or accidentally drinking polonium or other James Bond wacky hitman shit.

[Flarelaine]

The thread is still about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[Easo]

As expected Novogrodovka is taken (reminder - 3 times the size of Sudzha) and path is open to Pokrovsk.

Turns out certain Latvian journalists have a death wish. It takes an absolute retard/fanatic to drive over Russian border in an Ukrainian APC full of armed Ukrainian soldiers.
I wonder if said APC would have been Lanceted (Sudzha is very close to front line and there are regular videos of UA armored vehicles burning there) would there be cries about attacks on journalists? Rhetorical question.

Oh zrada zrada...

Compared to Russia, though?

Their railways probably are better, lol.

[YUPPIE]

remember a few pages ago, some of you lambasted me for saying workers like Russian firefighters and medics should not be treated as war assets and intentionally targeted by Ukrainians? It seems like Russia does not think that way.

An ambulance on its way to help a wounded man has come under Russian attack in Kherson. Three medics were injured.

An ambulance team rushing to help an injured man in the Dniprovskyi district of the city has come under enemy fire.

Three medical workers were injured. They suffered blast injuries and contusions. The vehicle was damaged."

The man, 63, who was outside during the Russian drone attack, suffered a blast injury and shrapnel wounds on the evening of 27 August in Kherson’s Dniprovskyi district.

[Doomcookie]

As expected Novogrodovka is taken (reminder - 3 times the size of Sudzha) and path is open to Pokrovsk.

Turns out certain Latvian journalists have a death wish. It takes an absolute retard/fanatic to drive over Russian border in an Ukrainian APC full of armed Ukrainian soldiers.
I wonder if said APC would have been Lanceted (Sudzha is very close to front line and there are regular videos of UA armored vehicles burning there) would there be cries about attacks on journalists? Rhetorical question.

Oh zrada zrada...



Their railways probably are better, lol.

It's pretty weird how much you want the Russians to win, dude.

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remember a few pages ago, some of you lambasted me for saying workers like Russian firefighters and medics should not be treated as war assets and intentionally targeted by Ukrainians? It seems like Russia does not think that way.

An ambulance on its way to help a wounded man has come under Russian attack in Kherson. Three medics were injured.

An ambulance team rushing to help an injured man in the Dniprovskyi district of the city has come under enemy fire.

Three medical workers were injured. They suffered blast injuries and contusions. The vehicle was damaged."

The man, 63, who was outside during the Russian drone attack, suffered a blast injury and shrapnel wounds on the evening of 27 August in Kherson’s Dniprovskyi district.

That's why it's so weird that you are a huge Putin worshiper, and want him to keep killing innocent people.

[Edge-]

It seems like Russia does not think that way.

No shit, did you forget the past few hundred pages of this thread? It appears you forgot the past few hundred pages of this thread.

Concerning.

[Endus]

remember a few pages ago, some of you lambasted me for saying workers like Russian firefighters and medics should not be treated as war assets and intentionally targeted by Ukrainians? It seems like Russia does not think that way.

Remember when basically everyone else pointed out that said workers in active war zones, like firefighters building bridges for the military to cross, become valid targets while they're working on such thing, because the bridge itself is a valid target? And that medical staff and institutions have much stricter protections under international law?

You never had a point on this. You were ignoring the basic standards that apply.

[DarkTZeratul]

remember a few pages ago, some of you lambasted me for saying workers like Russian firefighters and medics should not be treated as war assets and intentionally targeted by Ukrainians? It seems like Russia does not think that way.

Insisting that Russia's blatant disregard for the rules of warfare makes you right is a weird fucking hill to die on, dude. You are not making the point you think you're making.