Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Kaleredar]

At least here we've already been asked to save gas for this winter. There has been a steady increase of its price over the years, luckily we're a high income country and our operators worked with long term contracts and not the stupid EU spot price system that allowed for crazy high energy bills in some parts of Europe.

Europe will continue to divest itself from Russian reliance and build up new sources of fuel and energy. Russia should not expect that market to ever come back.

[Elder Millennial]

At least here we've already been asked to save gas for this winter. There has been a steady increase of its price over the years, luckily we're a high income country and our operators worked with long term contracts and not the stupid EU spot price system that allowed for crazy high energy bills in some parts of Europe.

High energy costs are likely here to stay for the foreseeable future. Guess what?

The economy will adjust.

Businesses and industries that tended to rely on cheap fossil fuels are being overtaken and inevitably replaced by ones focused on energy efficiency etc. And as always, economies of scale will eventually and inevitably curb costs.

Does it suck? Yes. But funding the economy of a dying empire with a genocide boner sucks more.

[Jessicka]

At least here we've already been asked to save gas for this winter. There has been a steady increase of its price over the years, luckily we're a high income country and our operators worked with long term contracts and not the stupid EU spot price system that allowed for crazy high energy bills in some parts of Europe.

If only the UK had been so sensible, we're still suffering high prices and have taken little, if any action to mitigate any future shocks, indeed prices are set to rise again this winter. It's maddening because there's absolutely no reason beyond vested interests to actually depend on foreign energy.

[Easo]

It's pretty weird how much you want the Russians to win, dude.

I want the West and Westerners to learn instead of living with this pompous superiority syndrome, which is dangerous. As for Ukraine and Russia - stopped caring long ago, let the "brother nations" do what whatever they want.
As I said - in for the memes at this point, watching all the BS unfold yet the same mantras repeated still. 5 stages of grief and all that. Latest in the list - posts of a certain very popular moron known as DeepStateUA.

The bad part is... it happened in Latvia. The Soviet Union was every bit as harsh as Nazi Germany was, they just directed their anger and violence based on allegiance, and not ethnicity. People like Yuppie and Easo want that, again. They want Putin to do what he always wished, and rebuild the Soviet Union. The first steps would be the industrial and agricultural nations. They will leverage the loyalists in those nations to foment unrest, and turn on their neighbors. Putin has convinced them that their actions are just and patriotic.

The Russian Government is evil, and they should be stopped.

Just lol. Almost no one posting on this forum was even alive when USSR fell, watching your theories "gathered" from most stereotypical sources imaginable is amazingly funny.


Infracted.

[PhaelixWW]

Just lol. Almost no one posting on this forum was even alive when USSR fell

Uh... I think even a casual perusal of just how many posters on this forum have a 10-year tag under their names would indicate that a fair number of those posters are over 33 years old.

Certainly not "almost no one".

[Edge-]

Just lol. Almost no one posting on this forum was even alive when USSR fell, watching your theories "gathered" from most stereotypical sources imaginable is amazingly funny.

Are you old enough to acknowledge that this is the official website for the Russian Orthodox Church?

http://www.patriarchia.ru/

You never did respond to multiple people asking you this as you continue to claim it's apparently actually propaganda from Kyiv. I don't think Ukrainian websites end in .ru?

Because either you're rejecting objective reality while claiming you aren't or I'm confused somewhere and I'd like to clear that confusion up.

[Elder Millennial]

I want the West and Westerners to learn instead of living with this pompous superiority syndrome, which is dangerous.

Learn what exactly? That Russia cannot be opposed and we must all bow down to the might of the Russian Empire?

As for Ukraine and Russia - stopped caring long ago, let the "brother nations" do what whatever they want

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"Brother nations" according to who the fuck exactly? Moscow?

What did you stop caring about? The mass rapes? The mass graves? The kidnapped kids? The tortures? The execution videos?

All you do is post vatnik propaganda and pretend there's some sort of "both sides" to this.

You know, I could respect if you were like Shillker. Unapologetically and openly Vatnik. But you pretend to be some sort of the enlightened bearer of truth while spewing nothing but Vatnik brain rot.

We all remember your little Bucha "Fog of War" routine.

[Corvus]

Oh, I very clearly remember the fall of the USSR. I remember reading of the atrocities they were committing in Afghanistan. I remember the worry that any day they might decide to fire their nukes. And I remember the relief and joy when it all collapsed.

[Shadowferal]

Did Ukraine just call Putin’s nuclear bluff?

Three weeks ago, Ukraine’s military launched a stunning operation to take the war in Ukraine back onto the territory of the country that launched it. Three weeks later, the Ukrainians still occupy hundreds of miles of territory in Russia’s western Kursk region.

The incursion had a number of goals: to force Russia to divert its forces from Ukraine to defend its own towns and cities; to seize territory that might later be used for bargaining leverage in peace negotiations; and to send a political message to the Russian people and their leaders that they are not safe from the consequences of the war launched by Russian President Vladimir Putin nearly two-and-a-half years ago.

But there was also a less obvious objective: Leaders in Kyiv likely hoped to send a message to their friends in the United States and Europe that their approach to the war has been overly cautious — that fears about “escalation,” “red lines,” and Russian nuclear use — a threat that Putin himself has voiced repeatedly — have been overblown.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy acknowledged this explicitly in a speech on August 19, saying, “We are now witnessing a significant ideological shift, namely, the whole naive, illusory concept of so-called ‘red lines’ refs somewhere near Sudzha” — a town near the border now under the control of Ukrainian forces.

He also confirmed that Ukraine had not informed its Western partners about the operation ahead of time, anticipating that they would be told “it was impossible and that it would cross the strictest of all the red lines that Russia has.” According to press reports, the Ukrainians predicted — correctly, as it turned out — that the West would not object too strongly once presented with a fait accompli.

“They were trying to push a boundary with their Western partners and what we’ve seen is that these partners have quietly accepted the new boundary,” said Liana Fix, fellow for Europe and the Council on Foreign Relations. In particular, they’re hoping the US will lift restrictions on using American-provided long-range missiles to strike deep into Russia, a step Washington has so far avoided.

The Ukrainian argument now is that, in effect, they have called Putin’s bluff and that it’s time for Ukraine’s allies to become much more aggressive in giving Ukraine the kind of support it needs to win the war...

...dangerous thinking.

[Edge-]

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/28/nx-s1...ade-in-ukraine

MICHEL MARTIN, HOST:

To Ukraine now. Ukraine has successfully tested ballistic missiles made in Ukraine. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy told reporters in Kyiv that the test was successful, but did not offer specifics. Ukraine has been dependent on Western countries for long-range ballistic missiles in its fight against Russia's full-scale invasion, so the question here is whether producing these missiles in Ukraine could make a difference in the war. To talk more about this, we've called Hanna Shelest. She is a nonresident senior fellow with the Center for European Policy Analysis and is based in Odessa. Welcome.

HANNA SHELEST: Good morning.

MARTIN: So let me remind people that ballistic missiles are missiles that are long range. They travel high in the atmosphere, and they're important because it's difficult for air defense to intercept them. As I said, President Zelenskyy didn't offer many details about what Ukraine has now. Do we know anything more?

SHELEST: We know that the development's been happening the last 18 months, and most probably, it is based on the old project started more than 15 years ago in Ukraine. So that is the first gossips that we have. And most probably, that would be of the short range, compared to what theoretical ballistic missiles can have, because the range for the ballistic missile is from 200 kilometers up to 6,000 kilometers. In our case, we heard that they're developing three modifications, and most probably, that would be something similar to the American ATACMS.

MARTIN: So is there a timeline for putting these into production?

SHELEST: If the testing is successful, I can assume that Ukrainian military conflicts would be doing it as quick as possible because we are really dependent currently on the - first of all, the U.S. missiles, and that limits our operations, when the Russians have quite unlimited resources, plus the North Korean ballistic missiles. And considering that the last year, a lot of the bureaucratic restrictions being eased in Ukraine for the military industry, we can assume that from six months, and at least the first examples - samples - already will be on the battlefield.

If Ukraine can spin up domestic ballistic missile production and these tests are successful that seems like it might have some significant impacts on the ongoing war. Having the ability to strike targets further inside Russia seems/feels big, but I'm not a military analyst so I'm just going off this reporting and shit.

[YUPPIE]

yeah it is dangerous thinking. Like call Putin a pussy or a bluffer all you want, no one other than Ukraine really wants to find out the hard way how he'll react if he's completely cornered. Zelenksyy has been coming off as selfish to me lately with his open demands and desires to strike deep into Russia. He doesn't give a shit what horrific consequences or sacrifices come out of it, as long as the war at least ends in Russia’s defeat.

Zelenskyy also announced next month he’s gonna propose a big plan to Biden to swiftly end this war, which I presume involves going all in on Russia.

[LeGin v4]

yeah it is dangerous thinking. Like call Putin a pussy or a bluffer all you want, no one other than Ukraine really wants to find out the hard way how he'll react if he's completely cornered. Zelenksyy has been coming off as selfish to me lately with his open demands and desires to strike deep into Russia. He doesn't give a shit what horrific consequences or sacrifices come out of it, as long as the war at least ends.

Seriously? Why the fuck has this poster not been perma’d?

One long, constant stream of propaganda.

You can take your not-so-veiled threats and fuck right off.

[DarkTZeratul]

Just lol. Almost no one posting on this forum was even alive when USSR fell

You realize that was only 35 years ago, right? That's very much within the lifetimes of a whole lot of people, including a bunch of people here.

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yeah it is dangerous thinking. Like call Putin a pussy or a bluffer all you want, no one other than Ukraine really wants to find out the hard way how he'll react if he's completely cornered.

You've been spouting this bullshit at every "escalation" of the war for the last three years and absolutely nothing has happened. Give it a fucking rest, dude.

[YUPPIE]

You've been spouting this bullshit at every "escalation" of the war for the last three years and absolutely nothing has happened. Give it a fucking rest, dude.

It’s an important time now because Ukraine is literally inside Russia fighting with expressed intent to finally end the war. And every day now, they’re just saying Putin is bluffing due to current inaction and want permission to strike directly into Russia.

We're literally in the decisive point of the war, contrary to how people assumed the main conflict would have lasted for much longer.

[PhaelixWW]

yeah it is dangerous thinking. Like call Putin a pussy or a bluffer all you want, no one other than Ukraine really wants to find out the hard way how he'll react if he's completely cornered.

Putin isn't in any danger of being "completely cornered". That's just one of your hyperbolic fan-fiction delusions.

Zelenksyy has been coming off as selfish to me lately with his open demands and desires to strike deep into Russia. He doesn't give a shit what horrific consequences or sacrifices come out of it, as long as the war at least ends in Russia’s defeat.

How can you, with a straight face, pretend that Putin is going to be "completely cornered" while at the same time call someone "selfish" who's fighting for their survival against a genocidal opponent?

Oh, right, because you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Zelenskyy also announced next month he’s gonna propose a big plan to Biden to swiftly end this war, which I presume involves going all in on Russia.

Your presumptions are as asinine as the rest of your ideas. Zelenskyy and Ukraine are interested in pushing Russia out of Ukraine, not "going all in" on Russia.

[YUPPIE]

Here's an article on the current matter of Ukraine's recent actions and cutting loose on restrictions.

Ukraine’s daring ground offensive has taken the fight to Russia, but not nearly as much as its leaders would like because, they say, the United States won’t let them.

The U.S. restricts the use of long-range ballistic missiles it provides to Ukraine, which wants to aim them at military targets inside Russia. Ukraine’s offensive, along with a barrage of drones and missiles that Moscow launched this week, has intensified pressure on the Biden administration to ease its cautious approach to the use of Western weapons in escalating Ukrainian attacks.

The Biden administration says its careful deliberations, including which advanced weapons it supplies to Ukraine and when, are necessary to avoid provoking retaliation from Russian President Vladimir Putin. Some analysts agree Putin would take a Ukrainian strike by an American long-range ballistic missile as an attack by the U.S. itself.

But other American and European supporters of Ukraine say the White House should see that Putin’s threats of attacking the West, including with nuclear weapons, are bluster. Their fear is the U.S. support that has allowed Ukraine to withstand Russia’s 2022 invasion comes with delays and caveats that could ultimately contribute to its defeat.

“This war is going to end exactly how Western policymakers decide it will end,’' said Philip Breedlove, a retired U.S. general who led NATO in Europe from 2013 to 2016 and is among the retired U.S. military leaders and diplomats, Republican lawmakers, security analysts and others pushing for a loosening of restrictions on how Ukraine uses Western-provided weapons.

“If we keep doing what we’re doing, Ukraine will eventually lose,” Breedlove said. “Because right now ... we are purposely not giving Ukraine what they need to win.”

[Doomcookie]

I want the West and Westerners to learn instead of living with this pompous superiority syndrome, which is dangerous. As for Ukraine and Russia - stopped caring long ago, let the "brother nations" do what whatever they want.
As I said - in for the memes at this point, watching all the BS unfold yet the same mantras repeated still. 5 stages of grief and all that. Latest in the list - posts of a certain very popular moron known as DeepStateUA.



Just lol. Almost no one posting on this forum was even alive when USSR fell, watching your theories "gathered" from most stereotypical sources imaginable is amazingly funny.

You want them to learn, by supporting murderers?

That's a weird take. Watching people support the bad guys is always a bit odd.

I was alive with the USSR fell, this is a forum for a game that came out in 2004.

[PhaelixWW]

It’s an important time now because Ukraine is literally inside Russia fighting with expressed intent to finally end the war. And every day now, they’re just saying Putin is bluffing due to current inaction and want permission to strike directly into Russia.

We're literally in the decisive point of the war, contrary to how people assumed the main conflict would have lasted for much longer.

You keep ignoring it, because it doesn't fit your delusional fantasy world, but I'll repeat it again:

Ukraine has been striking targets inside Russia, even Moscow, for most of this war.

There's absolutely nothing new or "decisive" about it; it's just yet another increased measure of Ukraine's ability to fight back on an even-footing with Russia.

You're posting conspiracy theories.

[Doomcookie]

yeah it is dangerous thinking. Like call Putin a pussy or a bluffer all you want, no one other than Ukraine really wants to find out the hard way how he'll react if he's completely cornered. Zelenksyy has been coming off as selfish to me lately with his open demands and desires to strike deep into Russia. He doesn't give a shit what horrific consequences or sacrifices come out of it, as long as the war at least ends in Russia’s defeat.

Zelenskyy also announced next month he’s gonna propose a big plan to Biden to swiftly end this war, which I presume involves going all in on Russia.

You said you'd be calm.

This is not calm.

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-Senseless fearmongering-

You said you'd be calm, when is that going to happen?

It's weird watching Putin supporters stroke his ego in public.

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It’s an important time now because Ukraine is literally inside Russia fighting with expressed intent to finally end the war. And every day now, they’re just saying Putin is bluffing due to current inaction and want permission to strike directly into Russia.

We're literally in the decisive point of the war, contrary to how people assumed the main conflict would have lasted for much longer.

Speaking of decisions, when are you going to decide to stop supporting the bad guy?

[Deus Mortis]

Are you old enough to acknowledge that this is the official website for the Russian Orthodox Church?

http://www.patriarchia.ru/

You never did respond to multiple people asking you this as you continue to claim it's apparently actually propaganda from Kyiv. I don't think Ukrainian websites end in .ru?

Because either you're rejecting objective reality while claiming you aren't or I'm confused somewhere and I'd like to clear that confusion up.

I think his silence speaks volumes. I posted it twice and you have 2 or 3 times and nothing(like how hard is it to say my bad I was wrong, thanks for the links?). He says he does not care about the war, but it is clear he does and who he is rooting for. On top of his bad faith posting he attributes what random articles talk about and treats everyone on this site as sharing the same rosy picture view.