Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Karreck]

it's not naivety. It just tells me that the world at large isn't interested in upholding what's right; right in this case being of course arresting this genocidal warlord.

Let's look at the map.



Mongolia is only bordered by Russia and China. Any other nation trying to extradite Putin from Mongolia, or provide military aid to Mongolia, would have to go over Russian or Chinese airspace, causing major problems geopolitically, to put it lightly. Not everybody wants to see World War 3.

[YUPPIE]

That world war 3 excuse is so awful. By that logic, not just Mongolia, anyone trying to arrest Putin means WW3. So the whole arrest warrant is just pointless.

So hypothetically, he could step on American soil just to make a taunting gesture and no one will try to arrest him because "WW3"

[PhaelixWW]

That world war 3 excuse is so awful. By that logic, not just Mongolia, anyone trying to arrest Putin means WW3.

What part of simple geography don't you get?

Any force from a more powerful nation would have to literally fly armed forces over Russia or China in order to effect an armed arrest of Putin.

And then fly out again, also through Russian or Chinese airspace.

And where would they fly from? Is South Korea the closest option?

It's fucking bananas.

Whereas, the "any other country" would either have more powerful forces already in-country, or would likely border friendly countries that would assist the endeavor.

Mongolia is about as isolated as it gets, which is why it's safe for Putin to go there, doubtlessly backed up by a substantial armed force of his own.

So hypothetically, he could step on American soil just to make a taunting gesture and no one will try to arrest him because "WW3"

This just about has to be one of the most idiotic things that's been said on these forums.

And that's saying a lot. Congrats.

[Endus]

That world war 3 excuse is so awful. By that logic, not just Mongolia, anyone trying to arrest Putin means WW3. So the whole arrest warrant is just pointless.

So hypothetically, he could step on American soil just to make a taunting gesture and no one will try to arrest him because "WW3"

Just gonna gloss right over the "you'd need to violate Russian or Chinese airspace to get to Mongolia to arrest Putin or help Mongolia do so" bit, huh?

The USA wouldn't need to do so if it were on American soil, buddy. That's the difference you're willfully ignoring.

[Mayhem]

This just about has to be one of the most idiotic things that's been said on these forums.

And that's saying a lot. Congrats.

Wdym idiotic, having to violate Russian or Chinese airspace is basically the same thing as arresting someone in your front yard.

[Locklen]

TBH, im not entirely convinced that Russia COULD do something about a western power violating their airspace, given how they've been performing in this 3 day special military operation, that is currently seeing their own lands occupied.

[Nymrohd]

Learn what exactly? That Russia cannot be opposed and we must all bow down to the might of the Russian Empire?

I do think they shouldn't be completely dismissed either. A few posters here in their fervor to satisfy the echo group act like Russia has no geopolitical importance and is not in any way a threat. They absolutely do not have the outsized importance they believe they do, but they are still the largest country in the world with over 100million people.
We should dismiss most of their own claims but not conventional geopolitical wisdom garnered over decades just because of a single atrocious blunder. Ideas like "How will Russia be split after" are dangerously stupid and oblivious of history.

[Veggie50]

I do think they shouldn't be completely dismissed either. A few posters here in their fervor to satisfy the echo group act like Russia has no geopolitical importance and is not in any way a threat. They absolutely do not have the outsized importance they believe they do, but they are still the largest country in the world with over 100million people.
We should dismiss most of their own claims but not conventional geopolitical wisdom garnered over decades just because of a single atrocious plunder. Ideas like "How will Russia be split after" are dangerously stupid and oblivious of history.

I see your point, but disagree on several of the topics you hit on. Russia does have some weight still, mostly due to the size of their country and the presence of nukes.

The question how Russia shall be divided after this war is neither ridiculous nor oblivious to history though. Many parts of what we now call Russia has been part of autonomous countries for most of recorded history. These lands are the first plundered for manpower in what shall go into history as ‘Putin’s folley’.

When this war ends and Russia is faced with incredible outside pressures, without millitary capability to maintain the internal peace, these regions are likely to break off. Similarly to what happened to the USSR.

[PhaelixWW]

...just because of a single atrocious plunder.

This has to be one of the most hilarious yet accidentally apropos typos I've ever seen, assuming it was unintended.

[diller]

Can we make a new thread on this topic so I can put Yuppie on ignore.

[Soulwind]

Can we make a new thread on this topic so I can put Yuppie on ignore.

Someone tried a while ago. The mods said it wasn't nice and that we should put up with the drunk scaremonger.

[Slant]

Russia ain't the USSR and this ain't the Cold War.

And even then, "foremost opponent" is not the same as "mortal enemy", which is the shit you were trying to peddle before.

This. The only thing holding the West back from steamrolling Russia is geography, history and the fact that nobody wants to own that shithole afterwards. A war with Russia would end up in a Turkey shoot on a bigger scale than Iraq at this point. Oh yeah, and nukes. Probably. Maybe. I'm beginning to doubt the nuclear capabilities of Russia. Or the willingness to follow up their empty threats. The only red line left to cross for Ukraine is to kill Putin himself and levelling the Kremlin.

[Iphie]

This has to be one of the most hilarious yet accidentally apropos typos I've ever seen, assuming it was unintended.

Fun fact, some languages don't distinguish between a 'p' and a 'b' people who speak those languages often substitute those for each other in writing. (not saying Greek is one of those, btw.)

[Nymrohd]

Fun fact, some languages don't distinguish between a 'p' and a 'b' people who speak those languages often substitute those for each other in writing. (not saying Greek is one of those, btw.)

Sadly I have dyslexia. I largely have it under control but I struggle with homonyms and near homonyms (also with the way words are stressed which can be problematic with written Greek since stresses are noted) which is why most of my posts are edited, I usually catch things on a second read and fix them.

[Elder Millennial]

I do think they shouldn't be completely dismissed either. A few posters here in their fervor to satisfy the echo group act like Russia has no geopolitical importance and is not in any way a threat. They absolutely do not have the outsized importance they believe they do, but they are still the largest country in the world with over 100million people.
We should dismiss most of their own claims but not conventional geopolitical wisdom garnered over decades just because of a single atrocious blunder. Ideas like "How will Russia be split after" are dangerously stupid and oblivious of history.

Nobody, sane at least, is dismissing Russia. Russia has become the biggest global problem of the 21th century short of Climate Change and COVID so far.

They are a massive, complicated and thorny problem.

But people like Easo have never put anything meaningful to discuss beyond 1, Russia is stronk and invincible and 2, Chef's kiss...Foggywar.

I just want to remind you that under his countless little Foggywar posts he unironically blamed Bucha and Irpin on Ukraine. Countless times claimed that whenever Russians were bombing schools and markets, it was actually incompetent Ukrainian air defence.

He never ever ever, even once addressed the mass graves issue, the rapes or the million other war crimes when directly confronted about it after his initial Foggywar deflection routine.

I could write way more about this but it can all be summed up as...

1. Deny, deflect and downplay any Russian shortcomings, failures or war crimes and brutality.
2. Russia stronk and will inevitably win.
3. We are all idiots for refusing to accept 2.
4. The West must learn 2 and 3 and....
5....

There's no 5. He never articulated what he imagines being the solution or final outcome here, beyond that Russia will win.

He cloaks his posts in some pretend centrism, sometimes the mask slips and he says some truly insane shit, gets a timeout, or goes away for a few weeks or months, then comes back to resume his routine.

He unironically gaslighting everyone, and it worked remarkably well, just because he does the "enlightened centrist" routine and doesn't call Ukrainians slurs every post.

Bad faith gaslighting does not in any meaningful way help with the question of "How the fuck to deal with the Russians."

[YUPPIE]

Just gonna gloss right over the "you'd need to violate Russian or Chinese airspace to get to Mongolia to arrest Putin or help Mongolia do so" bit, huh?

why are you implying these forces are going to launch some kind of visible air raid or massive assault hypothetically to get Putin if they wanted to? Mongolia has a travel advisory rating of one, meaning it's completely safe and anyone can visit with ease. Why couldn't people that want Putin arrested send in spies or covert agents under those travel terms to bag him? Especially the UK or US, who are no strangers to illicit black ops missions.

[MCMLXXXII]

Someone tried a while ago. The mods said it wasn't nice and that we should put up with the drunk scaremonger.

Yeah, I tried that, wasn't appreciated. Started another one but that's at page 4 by now I guess.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...t-of-the-world

[Endus]

why are you implying these forces are going to launch some kind of visible air raid or massive assault hypothetically to get Putin if they wanted to? Mongolia has a travel advisory rating of one, meaning it's completely safe and anyone can visit with ease. Why couldn't people that want Putin arrested send in spies or covert agents under those travel terms to bag him? Especially the UK or US, who are no strangers to illicit black ops missions.

So you really are just gonna gloss over it, then?

You're clearly not a serious poster interested in actual discussion.

[YUPPIE]

Ukraine has urged Mongolia to arrest Russian President Vladimir Putin ahead of his visit to the country next week, his first to an International Criminal Court (ICC) member state since the body issued a warrant for his arrest.

The court alleges Mr Putin is responsible for war crimes, saying he failed to stop the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia since the conflict began.

An ICC spokesperson told the BBC that Mongolian officials "have the obligation" to abide by ICC regulations, but clarified that this did not necessarily mean an arrest had to take place.

The Kremlin said it had "no worries" about the visit, which is slated to take place next Tuesday.

[Doomcookie]

Ukraine has urged Mongolia to arrest Russian President Vladimir Putin ahead of his visit to the country next week, his first to an International Criminal Court (ICC) member state since the body issued a warrant for his arrest.

The court alleges Mr Putin is responsible for war crimes, saying he failed to stop the unlawful deportation of children from Ukraine to Russia since the conflict began.

An ICC spokesperson told the BBC that Mongolian officials "have the obligation" to abide by ICC regulations, but clarified that this did not necessarily mean an arrest had to take place.

The Kremlin said it had "no worries" about the visit, which is slated to take place next Tuesday.

Go arrest him.