Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Saradain]

Like clockwork. Russia infinitely better at everything, Ukraine losing lol. Sources? Echo chamber somewhere in Telegram.

Russia systematically committing war crimes doesn't budge his ilk, it's always individual cases. Then whataboutism about "westerner actions!!!" somewhere else, because hey, whataboutism is the only counter-argument.

[Endus]

Everyone loves to cherrypick and then apply the results to the whole. There was also another video about 2 days ago going around UA Telegram channels about evil evil Russians executing PoW. Until the full video came out where said PoW decided he is Rambo/John Wick and tried to have a go at grabbing Russian soldier's rifle and thus dooming him.

Russia has thousands of Ukrainian PoW's, few times more than Ukraine has Russians. If you think there is an some kind of "kill PoWs" doctrine for Russia then it's on your biases, because it would be otherwise hard to explain how all those bloodthirsty Russians somehow captured thousands and did not kill them.
Individual episodes will always happen, they are impossible to avoid. Case in point - Westerner actions in Iraq, Afghanistan. Does that mean, say, Australia had a general policy to off captured Taliban? No, it was always actions of individual people/commanders.

But I am sure you will answer with a clear head without stereotypes.

And those individual soldiers represent their nation, especially when that nation isn't immediately arresting and court-martialing them for their crimes. Failure to prosecute is tacit endorsement and approval.

That isn't based on "stereotypes", that's a standard assumption.

[Belize]

I don't think "well, they're not killing *all* their POWs" is quite the defense he was thinking in his head

[Veggie50]

I don't think "well, they're not killing *all* their POWs" is quite the defense he was thinking in his head

No komrad, we not kill all pow’s. Most we just torture and/or maim.

[Easo]

And those individual soldiers represent their nation, especially when that nation isn't immediately arresting and court-martialing them for their crimes. Failure to prosecute is tacit endorsement and approval.

That isn't based on "stereotypes", that's a standard assumption.

Yes, they do. And? I mean it is up to you to claim that from a million+ strong force even few hundred (let's be generous) mean something.
Does every school shooter represent the USA in a way you can judge the entire nation? Nah.

There will always be someone somewhere doing something bad, you cannot avoid it. Ever worked in any large organisation? There is always that guy, no exceptions. Why would any army anywhere be different in regards with shitheads, especially when coupled with adrenaline and death at every corner?

No komrad, we not kill all pow’s. Most we just torture and/or maim.

Prove that they do this to "most". Go on. Now, preferably. Because if you can't you would prove yourself as yet another case of "lost to propaganda, biases and stereotypes". Do remember that those most are thousands, of course, so you need a proof (Ukraine says is not one, mind you) that they have tortured/maimed thousands.

[Endus]

Yes, they do. And? I mean it is up to you to claim that from a million+ strong froce even few hundred (let's be generous) mean something.
Does every school shooter represent the USA in a way you can judge the entire nation? Nah.

When there's a pattern of school shootings? That absolutely does reflect on the USA as a whole, dude. Same for war-criminal soldiers who go unpunished.

[Elder Millennial]

Everyone loves to cherrypick and then apply the results to the whole. There was also another video about 2 days ago going around UA Telegram channels about evil evil Russians executing PoW. Until the full video came out where said PoW decided he is Rambo/John Wick and tried to have a go at grabbing Russian soldier's rifle and thus dooming him.

Russia has thousands of Ukrainian PoW's, few times more than Ukraine has Russians. If you think there is an some kind of "kill PoWs" doctrine for Russia then it's on your biases, because it would be otherwise hard to explain how all those bloodthirsty Russians somehow captured thousands and did not kill them.
Individual episodes will always happen, they are impossible to avoid. Case in point - Westerner actions in Iraq, Afghanistan. Does that mean, say, Australia had a general policy to off captured Taliban? No, it was always actions of individual people/commanders.

But I am sure you will answer with a clear head without stereotypes.

You still refuse to acknowledge Bucha, Irpin, the rapes, the execution videos, the tortures, the murdered kids, the bombings of hospitals, playgrounds etc.

Instead you jump in and throw out some random factoid, that only you seem to have access to, about how many prisoners of war each side holds and how we all should be grateful the Russians don't castrate and murder ever single PoW. Even when they do take prisoners ...we have all seen the walking, broken, tortured skeletons returning. Don't fucking tell me Russia is unable to provide a few thousand prisoners with 2000 calories a day. You are basically trying to gaslight us all into not believing our own fucking eyes.

I have no words for the sheer despicable scummyness you have lowered yourself to. But I'm kinda glad the mask is finally slipping and you're going full Shillker.

The Russians are bloodthirsty savages. Perhaps if they didn't commit bloodthirsty savagery and upload it to social media for the popular approval of their buddies at home we wouldn't think they are bloodthirsty savages.

Not to mention you can just watch Russian national TV where they spend hours fantasizing about just how many millions of people they need to kill to "win".

Then there's the entire basic fact that this whole war, started by Russia, waged by Russia, unnecessarily, is in itself by default bloodthirsty savagery.

What you're saying is the equivalent of "Don't assume all Nazis are savages, not all Nazis were camp guards".

[Corvus]

UN reports show that almost all Ukrainian pows suffered torture at russian hands. It is not random - it is institutionalised. Those who get released in pow exchanges look like they have emerged from nazi concentration camps. Which is pretty much what they are, given russia has gone full nazi.

[Belize]

Prove that they do this to "most".

Bro, literally "any" is already to much, wtf is wrong with you

[Elder Millennial]

Bro, literally "any" is already to much, wtf is wrong with you

He is a Vatnik. That's what is wrong with him.

[Doomcookie]

Yes, they do. And? I mean it is up to you to claim that from a million+ strong force even few hundred (let's be generous) mean something.
Does every school shooter represent the USA in a way you can judge the entire nation? Nah.

There will always be someone somewhere doing something bad, you cannot avoid it. Ever worked in any large organisation? There is always that guy, no exceptions. Why would any army anywhere be different in regards with shitheads, especially when coupled with adrenaline and death at every corner?



Prove that they do this to "most". Go on. Now, preferably. Because if you can't you would prove yourself as yet another case of "lost to propaganda, biases and stereotypes". Do remember that those most are thousands, of course, so you need a proof (Ukraine says is not one, mind you) that they have tortured/maimed thousands.

So, the kidnappings and torture are made up?

It's weird watching Russian shills defending atrocities.

[Slant]

Yes, they do. And? I mean it is up to you to claim that from a million+ strong force even few hundred (let's be generous) mean something.
Does every school shooter represent the USA in a way you can judge the entire nation? Nah.

There will always be someone somewhere doing something bad, you cannot avoid it. Ever worked in any large organisation? There is always that guy, no exceptions. Why would any army anywhere be different in regards with shitheads, especially when coupled with adrenaline and death at every corner?



Prove that they do this to "most". Go on. Now, preferably. Because if you can't you would prove yourself as yet another case of "lost to propaganda, biases and stereotypes". Do remember that those most are thousands, of course, so you need a proof (Ukraine says is not one, mind you) that they have tortured/maimed thousands.

Yes, there will always be that guy. Difference is, some companies will fire that guy. Others quietly give him a raise while making some token tweets about blabla.

Not the strongest defense you have right there. Let me ask you, have you actually met Russians in your indoctrination tour, I mean, extensive research travels to find out what it is you're actually talking about?

[Saradain]

Easo sure demands proof "now, preferably". After making claims like "Russia has way more prisoners of war than Ukraine" among other wildest dreams. Sure bud, you first.

[Veggie50]

Yes, they do. And? I mean it is up to you to claim that from a million+ strong force even few hundred (let's be generous) mean something.
Does every school shooter represent the USA in a way you can judge the entire nation? Nah.

There will always be someone somewhere doing something bad, you cannot avoid it. Ever worked in any large organisation? There is always that guy, no exceptions. Why would any army anywhere be different in regards with shitheads, especially when coupled with adrenaline and death at every corner?



Prove that they do this to "most". Go on. Now, preferably. Because if you can't you would prove yourself as yet another case of "lost to propaganda, biases and stereotypes". Do remember that those most are thousands, of course, so you need a proof (Ukraine says is not one, mind you) that they have tortured/maimed thousands.

I’m not gonna bother arguing with you, because your counter to ANY sources I site is “not reliable, propaganda!”

On the other end of the spectrum you believe anything a random Russian miliblogger posts on youtube.

You’re not worth the air you breathe

[Poopymonster]

Bro, literally "any" is already to much, wtf is wrong with you

What's a lil strangers with benefits amongst combatants, da?

[Easo]

You still refuse to acknowledge Bucha, Irpin, the rapes, the execution videos, the tortures, the murdered kids, the bombings of hospitals, playgrounds etc.

Instead you jump in and throw out some random factoid, that only you seem to have access to, about how many prisoners of war each side holds and how we all should be grateful the Russians don't castrate and murder ever single PoW. Even when they do take prisoners ...we have all seen the walking, broken, tortured skeletons returning. Don't fucking tell me Russia is unable to provide a few thousand prisoners with 2000 calories a day. You are basically trying to gaslight us all into not believing our own fucking eyes.

I have no words for the sheer despicable scummyness you have lowered yourself to. But I'm kinda glad the mask is finally slipping and you're going full Shillker.

The Russians are bloodthirsty savages. Perhaps if they didn't commit bloodthirsty savagery and upload it to social media for the popular approval of their buddies at home we wouldn't think they are bloodthirsty savages.

Not to mention you can just watch Russian national TV where they spend hours fantasizing about just how many millions of people they need to kill to "win".

Then there's the entire basic fact that this whole war, started by Russia, waged by Russia, unnecessarily, is in itself by default bloodthirsty savagery.

What you're saying is the equivalent of "Don't assume all Nazis are savages, not all Nazis were camp guards".

So, according to you

The Russians are bloodthirsty savages.

What's the point of any discussion with such claims? This also mean you just said a good part of Ukraine's army are "bloodthirst savages" because it has tens of thousands of ethnic Russians.

And talking about all those alleged war crimes - which independent and neutral court has decided that Russia the country are guilty of them? Or even regarding it's individual soldiers? ICJ with it's limited jurisdiction? Very funny. Ukraine's own courts? Even more funny. Due process? What's that?
No war without warcrimes by all sides involved, no clean hands. And yet seems that according to you and others that Ukraine is the first one in the world who has done nothing and everything is Russia's fault, which is just plainly impossible.

I still remember things like the flechete claims, I still remember all the "they are raping babies", oh how very original. I also remember the pregnant girl from Mariupol until everyone turned on her. Or Amnesty International who was shit on because they dared to point out that there are things regarding Ukraine as well. The list is endless and you openly without questioning believed everything ever coming out of Ukraine's officials. Should not have believed them, should not have believed Russian ones, should not have believed Western ones. None of them.

Maybe scroll back to my posts at the start of war and ask yourself - what made Easo change his mind from fuck Russia to fuck everyone?

As for fantasizing about millions dead - "Москаляку на гиляку!", remember that?

Have a nice day, nothing will ever change.

[alach]

You just come across so smug, it's very off-putting. Whatever argument you are trying to make is lost by your tone.

[Elder Millennial]

So, according to you


What's the point of any discussion with such claims? This also mean you just said a good part of Ukraine's army are "bloodthirst savages" because it has tens of thousands of ethnic Russians.

Nice attempt at muddling the waters.

We all know what everyone means when we say "The Russians". We refer to the citizens of the Russian Federation who by action or inaction engage in or directly support the Russian state on its genocidal campaign. Nobody is talking about a specific ethnic group. There are plenty of ethnically non-Russians who are part of this "Ruski Mir".

It's the state and the nation. Not the ethnic group.

And talking about all those alleged war crimes - which independent and neutral court has decided that Russia the country are guilty of them? Or even regarding it's individual soldiers? ICJ with it's limited jurisdiction? Very funny. Ukraine's own courts? Even more funny. Due process? What's that?

So by that standard, the Russians above judgement or responsibility. You aren't even bothering with denial or obfuscation, you are just doing a whole "Nobody can judge me" routine.

No war without warcrimes by all sides involved, no clean hands. And yet seems that according to you and others that Ukraine is the first one in the world who has done nothing and everything is Russia's fault, which is just plainly impossible.

Whataboutism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism Take it, roll it, and shove it up your own ass. Scale and intent matters. Russian warcrimes are state sanctioned, institutionalized and enjoy popular political and social support. It's the entire fucking Russian state.

I still remember things like the flechete claims, I still remember all the "they are raping babies", oh how very original. I also remember the pregnant girl from Mariupol until everyone turned on her. Or Amnesty International who was shit on because they dared to point out that there are things regarding Ukraine as well. The list is endless and you openly without questioning believed everything ever coming out of Ukraine's officials. Should not have believed them, should not have believed Russian ones, should not have believed Western ones. None of them.

Drivel and horseshit. Your fucking Ruskis GLEEFULLY document their own war crimes. The amount of evidence is beyond fucking sky high.

Maybe scroll back to my posts at the start of war and ask yourself - what made Easo change his mind from fuck Russia to fuck everyone?

You went mask off Vatnik?

As for fantasizing about millions dead - "Москаляку на гиляку!", remember that?

What the fuck are you on about?

Have a nice day, nothing will ever change.

Yeah, you are still engaged in genocide denial and in propagating Russian propaganda.

[Makabreska]

You just come across so smug, it's very off-putting. Whatever argument you are trying to make is lost by your tone.

That was his style since day 1 of the war. "Y'all so biased, naive and misinformed, only I here see the full picture!"

And the best part? He used absolute asinine "proofs" to support his claims. Like that one time he went against all those economical analysts and said that "Nah, Russian economy ain't struggling! I compared prices of same random Russian pizza joint from few years ago and they are the same!". And then, after stuff like that, he behaves like he did a major GOTCHA on us.

So ye, I dunno if that's a reality denial combined with an inability to admit being wrong on the internet or some genuine cognitive problems. Or he simple was Team Russia since the start and now is doing triple-time, sine we apparently lost Yuppie and Ihavewaffles.

[Kaleredar]

You just come across so smug, it's very off-putting. Whatever argument you are trying to make is lost by your tone.

Their argument is "Russia is winning, neener neener neener." It's not an argument of "I'm on the side of right," it's not an argument of "we definitely didn't do that because that would be wrong," it's exclusively an argument of "oh but can you prove it?"

They don't care about conduct or ethical implications or moral high ground. They care that their side is winning.


Much like a Trump supporter, in a way.