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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunseeker View Post
    If Ukraine uses nuclear weapons they will absolutely lose international support.
    obviously, but they can't exactly make them quickly and Zelensky is right: the budapest memorandum is kinda useless in hindsight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    SK intelligence is reporting that NK has decided to send 4 brigades, totalling 12000 troops to join russia's genocidal war, and that 1500 special force troops have already been ferried to russia via russian naval vessels.

    https://apnews.com/article/north-kor...14976009682810

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3vkqwe9wwdo

    They are being equipped with russian uniforms and weapons and given fake passports claiming they are from ethnic minorities to try and disguise them.
    Disguise and such bullshittery isn't going to help their case, it's still North Korea directly starting a war with Ukraine. Well, joining in on Ruzzias terrorist attack, but still a start of a war between NK and Ukraine.
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    Given the life expectancy of the enemy soldiers in Ukraine, those Koreans will probably last 2 weeks. If they even make it to battle. Ukraine just hit a sixth training site of russkies with HIMARS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    obviously, but they can't exactly make them quickly and Zelensky is right: the budapest memorandum is kinda useless in hindsight.
    Well, it wasnt for the last 20 years, and theyre getting heavy military aid for their current status, so its not like theyre getting nothing out of the deal.

    Realistically Ukraine lacked the ability to secure or maintain the Soviet nuclear arsenal it inherited anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Disguise and such bullshittery isn't going to help their case, it's still North Korea directly starting a war with Ukraine. Well, joining in on Ruzzias terrorist attack, but still a start of a war between NK and Ukraine.
    Enough of plausible deniability for us Western pussies to not call it what it is. Just watch EU drag their feet on this with Germany at the helm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    Given the life expectancy of the enemy soldiers in Ukraine, those Koreans will probably last 2 weeks. If they even make it to battle. Ukraine just hit a sixth training site of russkies with HIMARS.
    They are probably better trained than the Ruskin conscripts tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    Given the life expectancy of the enemy soldiers in Ukraine, those Koreans will probably last 2 weeks. If they even make it to battle. Ukraine just hit a sixth training site of russkies with HIMARS.
    And assuming they don't just go AWOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkTZeratul View Post
    And assuming they don't just go AWOL.
    A dozen and a half reportedly have already.

    Yes, I'm aware it's from the Urkainians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    Yeah, that's why I mentioned it, and frankly I don't blame them. Their first time away from a repressive authoritarian regime that will absolutely kill them and their families if they so much as put a toe out of line? They're definitely taking the chance to run.

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    NK is most likely just sending them to die so they have less mouths to feed.

    Easiest way to do that is send them off to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilinor View Post
    NK is most likely just sending them to die so they have less mouths to feed.

    Easiest way to do that is send them off to die.
    12000 less mouths isn't exactly a huge amount, so that seems a bit silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    12000 less mouths isn't exactly a huge amount, so that seems a bit silly.
    This kind of feels like testing the waters. We already have desertion reports from NK soldiers. If most stay to die (and not just run away to a better life) they would most likely be willing to send more. NK seems to rather them just die, then have them find a better life outside their borders.

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    I read they are disguising themselves as russians from the far east, wearing russian uniforms and all that. But if this turns out to be true, and they gain concrete evidence of it, doesn't that open the door for other nations to put boots on the ground to assist Ukraine? At the time of proof that North Koreans are fighting for russia, it directly become a more international conflict.
    It also shows russia is really desperate for soliders.

    Some are special forces. Dunno what North Korean special forces are capable of, but they arent the bottom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilinor View Post
    This kind of feels like testing the waters. We already have desertion reports from NK soldiers. If most stay to die (and not just run away to a better life) they would most likely be willing to send more. NK seems to rather them just die, then have them find a better life outside their borders.
    Which would be odd alltogether, considering having a big military is numero uno priority of any regime, in case of those pesky citizen getting silly ideas like freedom and revolting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Which would be odd alltogether, considering having a big military is numero uno priority of any regime, in case of those pesky citizen getting silly ideas like freedom and revolting.
    They probably didn't send their best. Their brightest.
    NK may have cut the bottom 5 or so % and sent them to Russia to die, an object lesson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iphie View Post
    obviously, but they can't exactly make them quickly and Zelensky is right: the budapest memorandum is kinda useless in hindsight.
    You'd be surprised how fast a modern industrialized economy with access to reactors can potentially churn out low to mid yield miniaturezed nukes.

    Miniaturization here just refers to "small enough for the bomb to be realistically dropped by a bomber or be mounted on a missile".

    The issue is not so much with acquiring the fissile materials, at least not in the case of a country like Ukraine, but rather getting type of fissile material that you don't need trainloads of to achieve fission.

    What's worse or even better, depending your perspective, is that Ukrainians have the institutional and technical knowledge required for this. They have been building nukes for the USSR for decades.

    Yes it's a dispersed, rusty and old knowledge base, but it's there. Might be a bunch of 60-70 year old technicians and college professors now, but they aren't starting from scratch.

    They are 20 yards from the finish line on a hundred yard dash. Yes, it's the hardest last 20 yards, but they can push through it.

    Also if there's one thing we all collectively should have learned by now ...Do not underestimate a motivated Ukrainian with access to tools and raw materials.

    I would prefer Ukraine not to build nukes while actively engaged in a war with Russia, but I can't fault them if they do.

    Also, if I were Poland and South Korea, looking at American politics...I would have started a nuclear program yesterday.

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    The thing I'm most interested in with the NK story is, how the forces of the two countries communicate. I doubt a lot of Koreans speak Russian and vice versa, and not sure if either country teaches a lingua francy like English at school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    But if this turns out to be true, and they gain concrete evidence of it, doesn't that open the door for other nations to put boots on the ground to assist Ukraine? At the time of proof that North Koreans are fighting for russia, it directly become a more international conflict.
    Just say the magic word, it wont summon YUPPIE anymore, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    I read they are disguising themselves as russians from the far east, wearing russian uniforms and all that. But if this turns out to be true, and they gain concrete evidence of it, doesn't that open the door for other nations to put boots on the ground to assist Ukraine? At the time of proof that North Koreans are fighting for russia, it directly become a more international conflict.
    It also shows russia is really desperate for soliders.

    Some are special forces. Dunno what North Korean special forces are capable of, but they arent the bottom.
    No.
    Because no Western nation want news headlines of "Our soldiers are dying in Ukraine".
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    No.
    Because no Western nation want news headlines of "Our soldiers are dying in Ukraine".
    I think the narrative would be closer to "Our soldiers are defending Europe and democracy from a 21st century Hitler who has shown his barbarism in the Ukraine over the last three years."
    Last edited by alach; 2024-10-19 at 01:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    I think the narrative would be closer to "Our soldiers are defending Europe and democracy from a 21st century Hitler who has shown his barbarism in the Ukraine over the last three years."
    Half of German media would do a Yuppie and worry about Germany becoming part of the conflict. I always sit there shaking my head thinking we fucking are part of the fucking conflict and Ukrainians are fighting and dying so I can sit on my ass playing world of warcraft.

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