Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Iphie]

Same way Israel does it in Lebanon?

Not quite, as far as I know Israel hasn't killed NATO troops, just UN personel which is not the same and you know that.

[Jessicka]

Not quite, as far as I know Israel hasn't killed NATO troops, just UN personel which is not the same and you know that.

Well exactly, they'll go after the civilian staff and NGOs, to keep them in their bunkers then blow up equipment as they drive around.

[Combatbutler]

I guess Ukraine's only real option is to have nuclear weapons again.

They really should have kept a few, though back then they were hardly detached from Russia

Through the mentioned European troops? If only putler was stupid enough to declare war on even one NATO nation, let alone half a dozen, which most likely would be what the troops would be made of. Let him. Let him get annihilated in war for once.

They'd be sacrificed if push comes to shove, you can see how willing the involved parties are to support Ukraine and the chances of it changing much, are rather slim. As long as Russia does not actually attack the territory of a NATO nation you'd have outrage saber rattling etc. but an actual war? Extremely unlikely. Ukraine needs NATO membership if you want it to survive and it must be on the table of negotiation. So trumps plan isn't worth the paper it is written on.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Not quite, as far as I know Israel hasn't killed NATO troops, just UN personel which is not the same and you know that.

...yet, but they've been attacking Italian UNIFIL troops among others (and Italy is a member of NATO, as are France and Poland which have troops in UNIFIL). While for now they've only injured UNIFIL troops, in 2006 they did kill some.

On the other hand, they've already killed a number of US citizen.

And back in the days they did attack a US warship, killing dozens of US servicemen and injuring more than a hundred.

[Makabreska]

Well exactly, they'll go after the civilian staff and NGOs, to keep them in their bunkers then blow up equipment as they drive around.

Really doubt they can be this deft and crafty, considering what we have seen so far.

[Iphie]

...yet, but they've been attacking Italian UNIFIL troops among others (and Italy is a member of NATO, as are France and Poland which have troops in UNIFIL). While for now they've only injured UNIFIL troops, in 2006 they did kill some.

I'm distinguishing between NATO and the UN, so even if people from NATO memberstates get injured then they shoyld get protection from the UN if they are operating under that banner.

On the other hand, they've already killed a number of US citizen.

if they are not there as UN members then sure if the US wants to make a big deal out of it go for it, I'd love to see Bibi grovel when the US says: "FU".

And back in the days they did attack a US warship, killing dozens of US servicemen and injuring more than a hundred.

I know, Israel should've been made to understand the depth of their mistake.

[Mafic]

What world do you live in? Putin would rush to get the military back on track as fast as possible and attack Ukraine within 5 years.

Russia already has shifted their industries on a war time footing despite the Russians calling the war a "special operation". They already mobilized their industries for war a while back. Five years is more than enough time for the Russians to regroup. In contrast a lot of European nations would have a hard time shifting to a wartime industrial footing in five years including the US. Germany is probably the sole nation capable of this but do they want to do it is another question entirely.

[diller]

...yet, but they've been attacking Italian UNIFIL troops among others (and Italy is a member of NATO, as are France and Poland which have troops in UNIFIL).

UN soldiers aren't representing their countries, they are representing the UN.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Countries of Europe can ship them all they want even with Trump in office and he ends up refusing to do so. Pretty much have the same level gear. Should be much more important to them. So it is confusing why the United States has to handle so much of this. I get in the first year of the conflict people and places are caught unprepared or thought it would be a quick thing. By now a whole structure should be setup and a machine should be running if it really matters.

[Poopymonster]

Countries of Europe can ship them all they want even with Trump in office and he ends up refusing to do so. Pretty much have the same level gear. Should be much more important to them. So it is confusing why the United States has to handle so much of this. I get in the first year of the conflict people and places are caught unprepared or thought it would be a quick thing. By now a whole structure should be setup and a machine should be running if it really matters.

In some cases the US is the one selling European countries newer versions of the stuff being sent to the Ukraine.
That dries up, you're not gonna leave yourself short handed. We all know what contracts and agreements mean to the new Fascist Regime...the Fascime if you will. Pronounced Fash eem.
Regardless, the new Fascime stops selling that stuff, regardless of agreements/contracts, you're not gonna send what you have over to Ukraine.
It's why certain equipment sent over there from countries needs US approval for the Ukraine to use it to it's fullest extent, like actually hitting targets to end the war.

[Jessicka]

In some cases the US is the one selling European countries newer versions of the stuff being sent to the Ukraine.
That dries up, you're not gonna leave yourself short handed. We all know what contracts and agreements mean to the new Fascist Regime...the Fascime if you will. Pronounced Fash eem.
Regardless, the new Fascime stops selling that stuff, regardless of agreements/contracts, you're not gonna send what you have over to Ukraine.
It's why certain equipment sent over there from countries needs US approval for the Ukraine to use it to it's fullest extent, like actually hitting targets to end the war.

Britain, France, Italy and Germany have significant arms industries of their own, and typically had policies of not depending on the US for stuff so their forces are for the most part able to operate independently. Any long term change in US international standing would just have us go straight back to doubling down on those policies, while other European countries might be inclined to keep business in the EU. Meanwhile I'm sure the US would love to keep selling us F35s.

[Corvus]

Biden has lifted the ban on US military contractors going to Ukraine.

Meanwhile Zelensky has had a phone call with Trump - and Trump allowed Musk to join in.

[Kaleredar]

Britain, France, Italy and Germany have significant arms industries of their own, and typically had policies of not depending on the US for stuff so their forces are for the most part able to operate independently. Any long term change in US international standing would just have us go straight back to doubling down on those policies, while other European countries might be inclined to keep business in the EU. Meanwhile I'm sure the US would love to keep selling us F35s.

And here’s the kicker:

Overall, the US is more than happy to give
Ukraine aide.

Most republican politicians are more than happy to support it.

Lord knows the defense industry is happy to see it happening.

Trump is a uniquely bad actor in the situation because he’s Putin’s ball slobberer. If/when his fat orange ass kicks the bucket I wouldn’t be surprised to see an exact 180 from Vance on Ukraine. Provided, of course, trumps malice and incompetence hasn’t so thoroughly degraded the situation so as to make it unsalvageable. Which is what Putin is holding out for at this point.

[Shadowferal]

Biden has lifted the ban on US military contractors going to Ukraine.

A buffer to keep the US involved without politics screwing the pooch...and Ukraine.

[Wilian]

"We will put diplomatic pressure on North Korea. Who would have thought that the DPRK troops would fight against the Ukrainians“ - EU chief diplomat Borrell.

Truly brave and courageous act of resistance against North Korean invasion of European soil under Russia's genocidal war.

[zorkuus]

"We will put diplomatic pressure on North Korea. Who would have thought that the DPRK troops would fight against the Ukrainians“ - EU chief diplomat Borrell.

Truly brave and courageous act of resistance against North Korean invasion of European soil under Russia's genocidal war.

I wonder how strongly worded the letter is going to be. Or maybe not, that wouldn't be diplomatic.

[Kaleredar]

"Who would have thought that the DPRK troops would fight against the Ukrainians“

That's some Trump-level of stupid comment right there. My word, is his brainrot spreading that fast?

[Saradain]

That's some Trump-level of stupid comment right there. My word, is his brainrot spreading that fast?

Trump's advisors sure spread some rot alright, like "Crimea is lost", "Ukraine should focus on peace, not retaking its own land". Next 4 years, the suffering story arc for Ukraine.

[Azadina]

"We will put diplomatic pressure on North Korea. Who would have thought that the DPRK troops would fight against the Ukrainians“ - EU chief diplomat Borrell.

Truly brave and courageous act of resistance against North Korean invasion of European soil under Russia's genocidal war.

....Why in gods name is this day and age just overflowing with stupid ass Chamberlains?

The answer to dictatorships and their bullshit is not appeasement in any form. Any bullshit they try, needs to be met with overwhelming force. It's the one and only thing that works. Not appeasement, not "calling their ambassador for questioning", little bit of economic sanctions or any other such nonsense.

How god damn long will it take top people at governments to figure out something so plainly obvious and simple? It's not new secret knowledge, it's hard learned lessons from history. Shouldn't be so damn hard.

[Wilian]

To continue with our string of encouraging tweets:

"Western allies will be decisive as much as it takes. Russia will never conquer Ukraine. And this is something that we must clearly realize - that we will continue to support President Zelensky and his people in their struggle," — UK Chief of Defence Staff Tony Radakin

If we continue to be as decisive as we have been thus far we might hit that promised 1 000 0000 shells for 2024 next year, UK starts delivering it's stuff promised in beginning of year some day and Germany retracts it's plans to cease sending heavy hardware.