Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Flarelaine]

Let's go?
Will I be infracted for hoping to see Moscow in flames this week?

Yes, there's a decent chance you will. Even if it is the capital of the aggressor, Moscow is still fundamentally made up of millions of noncombatants. Regardless of what Russia has been doing, we expect posters not to cheer for war crimes.

[Santti]

Yes, there's a decent chance you will. Even if it is the capital of the aggressor, Moscow is still fundamentally made up of millions of noncombatants. Regardless of what Russia has been doing, we expect posters not to cheer for war crimes.

I'll keep that in mind for the Israel/Palestine thread.

[Iphie]

Was the Iraq War a "world war"? Participants from 4 separate continents; Europe, Asia, North America, and Australia. That's 2/3 of the continents, minus South America and Africa, if we agree we can ignore Antarctica since there is no landed population there. The War in Afghanistan includes even more participants. Was that a "world war"?

Even if NATO jumped in with Ukraine directly (meaning troops and materiel directly operated by said troops on the ground in Ukraine and, presumably, Russia, not just in advisory capacities), it'd still be less of a "world war" than either of those conflicts.

Endus, I know you are a smart man, but did you really ignore the part where I said: "the treshold is lower for that definition"? It is implied that this definition would make a lot of conflicts World Wars, and yes, back in the day we did say "WWIII has started" in my neck of the woods when referring to these conflicts, we were young and naive.

[Azadina]

Yes, there's a decent chance you will. Even if it is the capital of the aggressor, Moscow is still fundamentally made up of millions of noncombatants. Regardless of what Russia has been doing, we expect posters not to cheer for war crimes.

Is it cheering for warcrimes, when I'm completely unconcerned about what methods Ukraine uses to end the war that terrorist RuZZia forced on them?

The whole war has been nothing but warcrimes from ruZZia. Ukraine ending the war is what I'd call justice. Don't give a flying fuck how they do it. Terrorists can cry me a river. Oh, and their sympathisers can cry me a river too.

[Gabriel]

Eh...maybe DPRK, but China might pull their leash, Iran, no. I suppose you're right.

Merriam-Webster defines World War as such:

a war engaged in by all or most of the principal nations of the world
especially, World War

Interestingly that would mean if the US, UK, France, China and some other European and larger countries stay out it could never be called a World War.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/world%20war

Would it be a World War if just the EU decided to curbstomb Russia?

I mean if we grew some testicles first.

[Iphie]

Would it be a World War if just the EU decided to curbstomb Russia?

I mean if we grew some testicles first.

I suppose that could be argued, yes. Let's also not forget that WWI was mostly a European affair. (or as I call it: "a family feud that got out of hand")

[Draco-Onis]

Don't they already have a nationwide mobilization? They have like 60 year olds and prisoners as their troops and cutting disabled benefits to get the troops and funding. Taking the fight to Russia would hurt them far more than it would mobilize them.

And Ukraine striking military installations and supplies within Russia's borders would have degraded them far faster far sooner.

And here is another one, 1 attack got the US to attack a nation that didn't actually attack us for 20 years. If those people were actually able to stand up to us and hold their own and actually started attacking our military bases here and showing footage of our troops committing atrocities in a way state sponsored media couldn't hide, the fighting would have likely been over FAR sooner. It's easy to feel tough when you feel untouchable but when the fighting is at your front door, you are more willing to think twice at the guys trying to talk you into it, especially when you know that they are only at your doorstep because you won't leave theirs alone.

They do not have nationwide mobilization, they raid the boonies for recruits but Putin doesn't have enough popular support to enact it. It's also not reasonable to think the Russian people would like that way. No matter how bad the dictator, no matter how unpopular they hate invaders a lot more. If the Russian people felt that they were under attack there would be a rally around the flag effect just like everywhere else. Those weapons are not perfect and humans are firing them mathematically eventually they would cause some kind of civilian casualty that may turn the Russian public to be on the same page as Putin.

[Nymrohd]

I suppose that could be argued, yes. Let's also not forget that WWI was mostly a European affair. (or as I call it: "a family feud that got out of hand")

WW1 was fought on three continents. Sure the battles in Asia and Africa where very close to Europe but it was still fought beyond Europe.

[Flarelaine]

I suppose that could be argued, yes. Let's also not forget that WWI was mostly a European affair. (or as I call it: "a family feud that got out of hand")

It was mostly fought by European powers, but WWI saw combat operations in Africa and Asia, as well as in the waters around Australia and South America. Possibly even North America if we include submarines hunting convoys.

[diller]

Would it be a World War if just the EU decided to curbstomb Russia?

I mean if we grew some testicles first.

I think once it escalates beyond it's original point (Europe) it will be a WW.

I don't think the previous ones were called world wars initially - and if what you said was true I guess Napoleon caused WW0.

[Flarelaine]

WW1 was fought on three continents. Sure the battles in Asia and Africa where very close to Europe but it was still fought beyond Europe.

You forget German Southeast Africa.

[Iphie]

You forget German Southeast Africa.

Ah, that's right, Germany had a colonial empire back then. For some reason I always forget that.

[DarkTZeratul]

I don't think the previous ones were called world wars initially - and if what you said was true I guess Napoleon caused WW0.

World War 1 was originally called the Great War, or the War to End All Wars, and America called it the European War before they joined. Wikipedia says it was sometimes called the World War during the conflict, but the name didn't became official until 1919.

The name "World War 2" existed almost immediately thereafter, originally in the same hypothetical way we talk about "World War 3," and it looks like the actual conflict was called that pretty much from the start in September 1939.

[Wilian]

Seems like data cable is cut off between Germany and Finland in yet another non-escalatory fashion few days after Kremlin said it is happening. Good thing Chambersholtz called Putin.

[Saradain]

Seems like data cable is cut off between Germany and Finland in yet another non-escalatory fashion few days after Kremlin said it is happening. Good thing Chambersholtz called Putin.

Let us predict the future: ukrainian agents, a chinese ship or solidified fog of war.

Of course, this cable has been the sole cable following exactly same route as russian gas pipes.

[Flarelaine]

Seems like data cable is cut off between Germany and Finland in yet another non-escalatory fashion few days after Kremlin said it is happening. Good thing Chambersholtz called Putin.

I saw a headline just this weekend about the Irish Coast Guard having to escort a Russian ship out of an area with lots of undersea cables.

[DarkAmbient]

Seems like data cable is cut off between Germany and Finland in yet another non-escalatory fashion few days after Kremlin said it is happening. Good thing Chambersholtz called Putin.

Where are you getting this information from? I can't find anything about it anywhere.

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Britain and France have been lobbying for since they handed them over, its inevitable.

Yes it probably is, but there's still no confirmation as of yet.

[Saradain]

Where are you getting this information from? I can't find anything about it anywhere.

As its very fresh news, I assume he found it same place as I did: finnish newspapers. The cable was built for a finnish company.

[Wilian]

Where are you getting this information from? I can't find anything about it anywhere.

Cinia, the company reponsible of the cable reported it, this is Finnish article about it in one of our largest publications.

https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000010841305.html

[DarkAmbient]

Cinia, the company reponsible of the cable reported it, this is Finnish article about it in one of our largest publications.

https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000010841305.html

Nice one, thanks. Unrelated but I think I'd have to rate Finnish alongside Dutch as one of the most baffling languages to learn as a native English speaker.