Russian invasion of Ukraine

[PhaelixWW]

Besides Biden's move was only what France and the UK already agreed to

Clearly, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Biden's decision came first. The others literally couldn't agree without US approval first.

[Gabriel]

Well of course they are. What else do they have at this point? The Romanovs are laughing at Putin right now. He's toast. He started a war, and now he's begging China and Korea for help. As soon as we get to Jan. 20th, both of his allies are going to get very cold feet. Why? The doddering old man that has served as a flesh-suit for Obama's illegal third term won't have a thing. Besides Biden's move was only what France and the UK already agreed to, and an attack on them is considered an attack on the USA. I mean, I am not fond of Mr. Magoo / Biden for what he and Obama did during their third term, but Putin would be insane to escalate, unless he's asking for a reason to have Lenin's body finally cremated (though the amount of pollution from that cremation would be insane).

Take your meds.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Seems people think Ukraine is magically getting additional ATACMS to do all these attacks. Nope. Yet somehow idiots are again screaming "massive change".
Target dilution will be a thing, though there will be painful stuff for Russia (cannot cover everything, country is simply too big). But massed missile strikes? Yeah no, few and rare. ATACMS has not been produced since 2007. after all, there are only less of those. Same with UK/French missile.



Go ahead - pretty sure you will find that I admitted (as did so many others) that initial thoughts about the invasion were not what I expected - actual paid experts, generals failed if you don't remember.
As for the rest - I was pretty clear when I said not to underestimate Russia and that they are not defeated yet when every idiot with access to press was shouting the otherwise - as we can see Russia is still here and every prediction has failed. And I was not "the only one certain" - some fog of your own here. Appealing to basic logic does not make me claim I am the only one.

How about YOU yourself go back and take a look at official claims from Western officials, in official corespodence to media. What exactly was said, when, by whom and what happened to all of that.
Shovels and bushes, remember?



As for the rest of you - billionth reminder that Kremlin did not talk about 3 days, but that it was a Western official - General Milley - who started the 72h claim (hey, look what I wrote above).
This is not 2022 anymore and you have drawn all the wrong conclusions from Ukraine's successes in the second half of the year back then. Just like seems Ukraine and West did.
I am sure even if whole left bank falls you will still jeer and repeat "3 days, 3 days!".

Look, I get it. Your posts make it clear that not only do you not have a problem with lying, you actually seem to enjoy it. But you've called my bluff, I'm not going wading through the cesspit of your posting history. Especially when I'd have to make my way through years of it.

But I was here when this war started, in this thread. I saw what you posted, and I remember. Every piece of good news for Ukraine was hand waved by you. Every piece of bad news was amplified, exaggerated and used to draw conclusions of doom. It was just a matter of time, you said. Ukraine should just surrender and save all the lost lives, you said. The whole "fog of war" shtick that has clung to you like a bad smell ever since.

And now here you are, trying to rewrite your personal history. Even when you know the evidence is right there in this thread about what you said and how you said it. This isn't about what experts were saying; it is purely that your view of things was entirely one-sided, and you'd happily take as fact any Russian sources, while ignoring others. That bias was clear, and casts everything else you say in a bad light.

So excuse us if we tend to ignore, or indeed laugh at, your latest set of thoughts on the progress of the war.

[Corvus]

Big explosion at the 67th GRAU Arsenal in Bryansk Oblast, in russia. Reportedly caused by the first ATACMs strike inside russia.

[Jessicka]

Clearly, reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

Biden's decision came first. The others literally couldn't agree without US approval first.

UK and France have said they wouldn't say if they've given permission until after they've been used anyway, because they don't want Russia to expect anything.

[PhaelixWW]

Huge explosions at another supply depot in Russia, this time in Bryansk.

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Big explosion at the 67th GRAU Arsenal in Bryansk Oblast, in russia. Reportedly caused by the first ATACMs strike inside russia.

Those reports are speculative. More official reports suggest this was only a drone attack.

[Saradain]

Well, apparently a chinese vessel called Yi Peng 3 was seen around the severed data cables as they were broken. A vessel that in its journey, had a stop at a russian port. The AIS systems that track vessels had some sort of connection error for several hours, just when the said vessel was near the cables...

What a coincidence, these chinese vessels seem to love roaming around important data cables and they happen to accidentally be damaged!

Meanwhile in Vatnikland:

Russia starts yet another invasion of a sovereign country after illegally occupying land.

Vatniks and useful idiots: -silence-

Russia keeps doing hybrid warfare against non-participating nations.

Vatniks and useful idiots: -silence-

The western world finally starts getting pissed off at Russia and start supporting Ukraine even further, to this point of allowing ATACMS strikes within russian soil.

Vatniks and useful idiots: ESCALATION! WORLD WAR 3! WARMONGERERS! STOP THIS WAR AND SAVE LIVES!

[Iphie]

Well, apparently a chinese vessel called Yi Peng 3 was seen around the severed data cables as they were broken. A vessel that in its journey, had a stop at a russian port. The AIS systems that track vessels had some sort of connection error for several hours, just when the said vessel was near the cables...

What a coincidence, these chinese vessels seem to love roaming around important data cables and they happen to accidentally be damaged!

Meanwhile in Vatnikland:

Russia starts yet another invasion of a sovereign country after illegally occupying land.

Vatniks and useful idiots: -silence-

Russia keeps doing hybrid warfare against non-participating nations.

Vatniks and useful idiots: -silence-

The western world finally starts getting pissed off at Russia and start supporting Ukraine even further, to this point of allowing ATACMS strikes within russian soil.

Vatniks and useful idiots: ESCALATION! WORLD WAR 3! WARMONGERERS! STOP THIS WAR AND SAVE LIVES!

Useful tools:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...ry:55.0/zoom:8

One caveat though, the crew doesn't have to be Chinese. (I know, I know, devil's advocate and all that but if it's, say, a venezuelan crew then China doesn't have to be involved)

In any case, is it bad that I just had to field questions from family about war preperations around here in Finland, with my reply being: "Yeah well, par for the course, we've been at it for the past 80 years or so."

[Shadowferal]

Huge explosions at another supply depot in Russia, this time in Bryansk.

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Those reports are speculative. More official reports suggest this was only a drone attack.

Russia says Ukraine fired 6 US-made ATACMS at the Bryansk region, days after Biden policy shift
I believe it. It makes sense that Zelensky would want the US fully mired in this. It's a good move.

[PhaelixWW]

Russia says Ukraine fired 6 US-made ATACMS at the Bryansk region, days after Biden policy shift
I believe it. It makes sense that Zelensky would want the US fully mired in this. It's a good move.

I'm a bit surprised that Russia would admit it, for the same reason. Hard to sabre-rattle effectively when the other side just calls your bluff immediately.

[Saradain]

Useful tools:

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais...ry:55.0/zoom:8

One caveat though, the crew doesn't have to be Chinese. (I know, I know, devil's advocate and all that but if it's, say, a venezuelan crew then China doesn't have to be involved)

In any case, is it bad that I just had to field questions from family about war preperations around here in Finland, with my reply being: "Yeah well, par for the course, we've been at it for the past 80 years or so."

Well, I did not speculate the nationality of the crew, just the ship's origin. Marinetraffic website indeed was mentioned in the finnish newspiece.

Damn right we've been preparing all this time, since the last time. Russia has had no problems doing whatever the fuck they desire to cause problems or to "protest" any finnish political decisions.

It is time to do -something- about russian hybrid warfare. The irony has to end. Russia pokes at you in ways that actually cause damages, can't do shit, or we're the bad guys. We poke Russia back in identical manner, we bad guys.

As time passes, I find myself longing for utter, complete destruction of the russian state. Free the subjugated nations and send Muscovy and its leaders in a parade to wherever the fuck they can be embarrased and wiped from the annals of history like a stain they always have been.

[Jessicka]

I'm a bit surprised that Russia would admit it, for the same reason. Hard to sabre-rattle effectively when the other side just calls your bluff immediately.

Well they're claiming they shot them down and that debris only caused a small fire. Though we know what constitutes "small" for Russia in terms of taking damage, I believe there are some ships patrolling the sea floor after taking "small" damage.

[PhaelixWW]

Well they're claiming they shot them down and that debris only caused a small fire. Though we know what constitutes "small" for Russia in terms of taking damage, I believe there are some ships patrolling the sea floor after taking "small" damage.

That's literally the same thing they claim every single time one of their supply depots blows up. Satellite images always belie the claims.

Watch the mushroom clouds and bright lights.

[Flarelaine]

I'm a bit surprised that Russia would admit it, for the same reason. Hard to sabre-rattle effectively when the other side just calls your bluff immediately.

Much of that sabre-rattling is for domestic consumption and friendly echo chambers.

[PhaelixWW]

Much of that sabre-rattling is for domestic consumption and friendly echo chambers.

Oh, that's fair. So, of course, are the claims to have shot down all the missiles resulting in a small fire. SOP, I guess.

[Gabriel]

I'm a bit surprised that Russia would admit it, for the same reason. Hard to sabre-rattle effectively when the other side just calls your bluff immediately.

I've said it before. It is in Russia's interest to drag the US into this as an active participant (or at least make the US look like one) because it is less embarrassing to be drawn into a stalemate by a """peer""" enemy, than an unruly province like Ukraine.

[DarkAmbient]

Very tired of seeing Trumpers and Putin bootlickers (almost always the same thing, oddly enough) whining about escalation, as if they give a shit. Their world view is shaped by the notion that a demagogue can do no wrong, and when they see the corrupt trillionaire Western puppet Zelensky punch back at the glorious and based and totally-not-corrupt strongman Putin, who Trump loves to remind us called him a genius, it punctures a hole in their psyche and they can't deal with it.

I hope all these missiles are used with maximum effect. Unfortunately though I don't think they will make much difference in the long term, unless Trump and his administration blindside us all with a stunning shift in policy that goes against everything they've been saying since the war started.

[Wilian]

https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1858880510275002504

Seems like unlike last time Russians wrecked the gas pipe and data cable between Finland and Estonia some months ago this time there's some more serious steps being taken potentially. Finnish foreign minister has even flashed the potential for Article 5. Of course this is us nordics, as soon as situation reaches ear of Chambersholz and co. it'll probably be dismissed.

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As for the rest of you - billionth reminder that Kremlin did not talk about 3 days, but that it was a Western official - General Milley - who started the 72h claim (hey, look what I wrote above).
This is not 2022 anymore and you have drawn all the wrong conclusions from Ukraine's successes in the second half of the year back then. Just like seems Ukraine and West did.
I am sure even if whole left bank falls you will still jeer and repeat "3 days, 3 days!".

https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status...05723264368803
https://x.com/JurgenPanzer1/status/1647650338021728261

No one ever in russosphere, official or through their state owned and dictated media never spoke about 3 days or 2 weeks.

By the way, who does Crimea belong to?

[Lahis]

https://x.com/WarMonitor3/status/1858880510275002504

Seems like unlike last time Russians wrecked the gas pipe and data cable between Finland and Estonia some months ago this time there's some more serious steps being taken potentially. Finnish foreign minister has even flashed the potential for Article 5. Of course this is us nordics, as soon as situation reaches ear of Chambersholz and co. it'll probably be dismissed.

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https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status...05723264368803
https://x.com/i/bookmarks?post_id=164765033802172826

No one ever in russosphere, official or through their state owned and dictated media never spoke about 3 days or 2 weeks.

This time we'll send Russia a Strongly Worded Letter with HARD PUNCTATION.

[Saradain]

This time we'll send Russia a Strongly Worded Letter with HARD PUNCTATION.

Don't worry our gracious prime minister already hurried up to say there's no need to activate any NATO articles, 4th or 5th. Case closed, onwards to next hybrid warfare act!