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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    That's really why I was asking him. Barring n00ks, Russia simply doesn't have some ace they could pull out from their sleeve.
    And if they have one, what are they waiting for?
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    And if they have one, what are they waiting for?
    It's a masterplan from the mind of a powerful leader that somehow got tricked into invading a foreign country.

    Just don't think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Uhu sure, Russia is pulling its punches for uuh uhm reasons.

    Russia enjoys losing control, ever increasing inflation and having to pay more and more to get conscripts to the front lines.
    The thing about people like Gaidax is that they swoon over the sort of authoritarian rule and might makes right mindset. Emphasising mindset because there is no might nor right in anything Russia does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    As I said, time and time again - Russia has more where it came from, the simplest escalation they did not try yet could be literally blowing up the parliament building and they are fully capable of doing it if they so desire.
    So you are saying that Russia could escalate the war and win, but for some reason they are not doing it? They suffer a gigantic humiliation that exposed their "2nd greatest army", they eat sanctions, loose gas contracts for inferior ones, push Swedish and Finland into NATO arms, bomb civilian targets anyway, but for some weirdest reason they decide to prolong all of this when they could end it?

    Yeee, you keep having this "you don't know shit" attitude regarding Russia, Ukraine and general world politics, yet your wild claims have been exposed multiple time here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    The thing about people like Gaidax is that they swoon over the sort of authoritarian rule and might makes right mindset. Emphasising mindset because there is no might nor right in anything Russia does.
    They cheer for Israel doing the same thing. It makes sense of course, well apart from the lack of logic behind all of it but if might makes right is everything they need to justify actions then yep.
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    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

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    Even if all of this wraps up with a win for Russia, it will be weird to claim this as nothing but a pyrrhic victory at best

    Hundreds of thousands dead for what is essentially a couple of kilometers outside their border with literally no value. The economies of those regions have been destroyed, they are not rich in natural resources and the cost of waging that war, beyond the human cost, ballooning out.

    Russia literally had to restructure its entire economy in order to have a fighting chance. Its neighbors in their "sphere of influence" are more openly hostile than they have ever been, some of them having successfully joined NATO and others vying for that, and the war in Ukraine has sapped Russia from its resources to honour its commitments in the world stage.

    Like if Russia had a means to end this war sooner that its costing it so much they would have done so already. If anything this war is proof of how much of a paper tiger Russian military turned out to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    they are not rich in natural resources
    Not rich in natural resources...?

    Three Ukrainian regions contain hydrocarbons resources: the Dnipro-Donetsk basin, the Carpathian region in western Ukraine, and the Black Sea and Crimea region in the south. The Dnipro-Donetsk basin is a major oil and gas producing region accounting for 90 percent of all current Ukrainian production.
    https://www.trade.gov/energy-resourc...n%20production.

    (bit outdated perhaps at 2021, but I would harly call it not rich in natural resources. funny how those areas, with the exception of the carpathians, are the ones russia wants...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    So you are saying that Russia could escalate the war and win, but for some reason they are not doing it? They suffer a gigantic humiliation that exposed their "2nd greatest army", they eat sanctions, loose gas contracts for inferior ones, push Swedish and Finland into NATO arms, bomb civilian targets anyway, but for some weirdest reason they decide to prolong all of this when they could end it?

    Yeee, you keep having this "you don't know shit" attitude regarding Russia, Ukraine and general world politics, yet your wild claims have been exposed multiple time here.
    Where did I say a word "win"?

    It's like, if you argue - then at least don't shadowbox me literally first sentence of your reply. Is it so much to ask for to at least have a small bit of honesty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    That's really why I was asking him. Barring n00ks, Russia simply doesn't have some ace they could pull out from their sleeve.
    You think they can't do what they did a few weeks ago with their showoff missile towards Dnipro, but instead do it on Kyiv's Rada?

    There is no need for "nooks", I keep saying this - no "nooks" will be used in this conflict and it's unnecessary too. The reason why Ukrainian parliament stands is not because Russia can't target and destroy it, but because it's in their bag of potential escalations they can do, but yet did not tap into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    So you are saying that Russia could escalate the war and win, but for some reason they are not doing it? They suffer a gigantic humiliation that exposed their "2nd greatest army", they eat sanctions, loose gas contracts for inferior ones, push Swedish and Finland into NATO arms, bomb civilian targets anyway, but for some weirdest reason they decide to prolong all of this when they could end it?

    Yeee, you keep having this "you don't know shit" attitude regarding Russia, Ukraine and general world politics, yet your wild claims have been exposed multiple time here.
    Add in that they’re so overstretched they couldn’t defend a critical ally anymore, so they got overthrown in less than a week.

    And what naval forces they have there can’t return to Sevastopol because it’ll get sunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Where did I say a word "win"?

    It's like, if you argue - then at least don't shadowbox me literally first sentence of your reply. Is it so much to ask for to at least have a small bit of honesty?

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    You think they can't do what they did a few weeks ago with their showoff missile towards Dnipro, but instead do it on Kyiv's Rada?

    There is no need for "nooks", I keep saying this - no "nooks" will be used in this conflict and it's unnecessary too. The reason why Ukrainian parliament stands is not because Russia can't target and destroy it, but because it's in their bag of potential escalations they can do, but yet did not tap into.
    Sorry friendo, I just don't buy it. Russia has constantly worked at making life miserable for the average Ukrainian. Much like the Gazans of today the people of Ukraine will have generational hatred for their invaders no matter how this ends. The people have suffered greatly. If Russia could have ended this by now they would have.
    Kyivs government is probably so well protected they know its not worth wasting a missile on. Remember at the beginning how the russian airborne troops landed with the purpose of killing Zelensky, or the numerous assassination attempts on him? Yeah, they are trying their best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    The people have suffered greatly. If Russia could have ended this by now they would have.
    I'm just spitballing but assuming Russia has the capabilities to destroy the parliament, what would it achieve?

    First off, it needs to strike without warning / intercepted.
    Second, unless it also hits the military, you merely decapitated the civilian government, not the military leadership, so resistance would likely still be happening as Russia is not in a position to again simply steamroll over disoriented Ukrainian defenders.

    And then what?
    Now Russia is suddenly seen as the one escalating the conflict, destroying the narrative that the West is solely escalating.
    "You made me do this!" doesn't really cut it at this point when you've annihilated the civilian government.
    And finally, it would likely galvanize the Ukrainian people even further, whose morale, given the situation of their conscription, is also not in the best shape.

    I'd say Russia has the capability to destroy something like the Ukrainian parliament, i just doubt it would the end war.

    Putin is still playing for time because god knows what Trump will do and god knows what Europe will do once Trump will do whatever he does.
    Why risk everything now when you know that the situation will possibly improve in 3-4 months?
    Unless the collapse of the Russian front is imminent and Putin needs to force a victory ASAP to save his ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post

    You think they can't do what they did a few weeks ago with their showoff missile towards Dnipro, but instead do it on Kyiv's Rada?
    Do what? Hit the same zipcode as the Ukrainian parliament?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    There is no need for "nooks", I keep saying this - no "nooks" will be used in this conflict and it's unnecessary too. The reason why Ukrainian parliament stands is not because Russia can't target and destroy it, but because it's in their bag of potential escalations they can do, but yet did not tap into.

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    The russian general in charge of nuclear, biological and chemical forces and who was sanctioned for the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine just exploded in Moscow.

    Could be Ukraine, could be internal but no doubt pootie will blame Ukraine regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The russian general in charge of nuclear, biological and chemical forces and who was sanctioned for the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine just exploded in Moscow.

    Could be Ukraine, could be internal but no doubt pootie will blame Ukraine regardless.
    If it was internal, he'd have fallen out of a window.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If it was internal, he'd have fallen out of a window.
    Maybe he did, but landed on a mine or carbomb or any other regular accidental explosion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Maybe he did, but landed on a mine or carbomb or any other regular accidental explosion.
    Electric scooter explosion is normal enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralljin View Post
    I'm just spitballing but assuming Russia has the capabilities to destroy the parliament, what would it achieve?
    That is the whole point of what I am talking about, it's one of the Russian's backup options to keep Ukraine and West from getting too cheeky. The whole meaning of further escalation.

    You ask what would talking out a bunch of decision makers in Kyiv in one strike would achieve? Is that a real question? Do you doubt Russia is capable of doing that?

    Thankfully for now they do not need to go there, all they need now is to wait a few months and they will get their payouts, but it is still something that can potentially be on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    You ask what would talking out a bunch of decision makers in Kyiv in one strike would achieve? Is that a real question? Do you doubt Russia is capable of doing that?

    Thankfully for now they do not need to go there, all they need now is to wait a few months and they will get their payouts, but it is still something that can potentially be on the table.
    Wtf are you talking about? If Russia could do anything like that, they would've done it already...back when they realized their "little" 3 day jaunt turned into a nightmare that's been ongoing for near 3yrs now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Wtf are you talking about? If Russia could do anything like that, they would've done it already...back when they realized their "little" 3 day jaunt turned into a nightmare that's been ongoing for near 3yrs now.
    Oh you don't get it, Russia is just playing nice and bombing military targets like childrens hospitals, kindengardens, childrens parks and coffee shops because they are showing restraint and unwillingness to escalate so they could have more options.
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    Ukraine has claimed it killed the general. He was the one who said NATO had biolabs in Ukraine and biowarfare mosquito's, among other insanity.

    Meanwhile russia says it was the 'anglo-saxons' who did it, and the general tracked the criminal activities of the US and its satellites in spreading chemical and biological warfare. Yeah, they continue to double down on the craziness.

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