Russian invasion of Ukraine

[hellhamster]

Who are we gonna sell to, Iran? rofl

Beyond that, everything you've written is largely detached from anything approaching reality and it seems you haven't any clue how any of this works. I'm not sure it's worth the effort or time trying to re-explain again in this thread, or from the other threads detailing the challenges of the CA wildfires that you apparently couldn't be bothered to read before giving your spiciest and most uniformed hot-takes.

Like always, you come here with some non-rebuttal "YoU dOn'T kNoW hOw tHiS wOrKs" etc. /yawn.

We will just eventually wait for a public investigative committee in the coming months to see if I was right.

[Edge-]

Like always, you come here with some non-rebuttal "YoU dOn'T kNoW hOw tHiS wOrKs" etc. /yawn.

We will just eventually wait for a public investigative committee in the coming months to see if I was right.

My fucking god are you really thinking that Republican-led committees produce good investigation materials or something? Jesus, it's like you're collecting bad takes, today.

And the "rebuttal" is literally all the posts up to this point in the thread. People have explained this to you. Repeatedly. Yet here you still remain, asking the same question and repeating the same falsehoods.

[hellhamster]

See, this is what I'm talking about.

We didn't spend $500M, which you've repeatedly been told but either choose not to read or choose to forget immediately after reading it.

You do not seem like a very serious person.

Sell them and fund California using the profits, don't waste them on a foreign country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840

The US government directly negotiated $81bn in sales, a 56% increase from 2022, the state department reported.[

The rest were direct sales by US defence companies to foreign nations.

Ukraine's neighbour Poland, currently on a drive to expand its military, made some of the biggest purchases.

Poland bought Apache helicopters for $12bn, and also paid $10bn for High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (Himars) and $3.75bn for M1A1 Abrams tanks, the department said in a report for the US government's fiscal year that ended in October.

It also spent $4bn on Integrated Air and Missile Defence Battle Command Systems.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk has vowed to continue the previous conservative government's military modernisation programme, which aimed to make Poland "the most powerful land force in Europe".

Could Himars missiles help Ukraine defeat Russia?
Germany, meanwhile, spent $8.5bn spent on Chinook helicopters. Bulgaria paid $1.5bn for Stryker armoured vehicles and Norway bought $1bn worth of multi-mission helicopters.

The Czech Republic bought $5.6bn in F-35 jets and munitions.

[Belize]

Sell them and fund California using the profits, don't waste them on a foreign country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840

You should really stick to shilling digital beanie babies

[Edge-]

Sell them and fund California using the profits, don't waste them on a foreign country.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68136840

Sell them to whom.

They're not being "wasted" on a foreign country and I feel the need to once again reiterate just how cheaply the west is absolutely decimating the Russian military for by giving Ukraine some money and a whole bunch of stockpiled and aging weapons and weapons systems. All with zero risk to US lives. What a fucking steal.

Just because it's worth $500M doesn't mean there's gonna instantly be a buyer with $500M in cash who can make the purchase, rofl.

[alach]

As it has been explained ad nauseum in this thread over the years. It does not work that way. It is not a wad of cash. How is this not better understood.

To steal the line from Walter from the Big Lebowski, "you're out of you're out of your element."

My lord, how are we three years into this and people still don't understand the basics.

[hellhamster]

My fucking god are you really thinking that Republican-led committees produce good investigation materials or something? Jesus, it's like you're collecting bad takes, today.

And the "rebuttal" is literally all the posts up to this point in the thread. People have explained this to you. Repeatedly. Yet here you still remain, asking the same question and repeating the same falsehoods.

The committees are coming, I wouldn't worry about that.

The only argument I saw is that "it's weapons, not actual money" (lol)

The other argument was "the US doesn't sell weapons" or whatever (lol).

- - - Updated - - -

Sell them to whom.

They're not being "wasted" on a foreign country and I feel the need to once again reiterate just how cheaply the west is absolutely decimating the Russian military for by giving Ukraine some money and a whole bunch of stockpiled and aging weapons and weapons systems. All with zero risk to US lives. What a fucking steal.

Just because it's worth $500M doesn't mean there's gonna instantly be a buyer with $500M in cash who can make the purchase, rofl.

Just from this article, half of Europe have bought weapons, why wouldn't they buy the weapons that were gifted to Ukraine? These weapons might indeed be old, but half the world is still warring on 80 year old AK's.

Edit: also, who said that the US only sells their top of the line 2024 merch?

[En Sabah Nur]

You could boil all this down to "just let Russia win," and "lol republicans are coming for you guys!"

Just ignore it.

[Edge-]

The committees are coming, I wouldn't worry about that.

The only argument I saw is that "it's weapons, not actual money" (lol)

That's a factual correction, not an argument.

The other argument was "the US doesn't sell weapons" or whatever (lol).

Nobody has made that argument.

- - - Updated - - -

Just from this article, half of Europe have bought weapons, why wouldn't they buy the weapons that were gifted to Ukraine? These weapons might indeed be old, but half the world is still warring on 80 year old AK's.

Edit: also, who said that the US only sells their top of the line 2024 merch?

"Europe bought some weapons so clearly they'd buy anything and everything." ok.

Were those all cash purchases, by the way? You seem to be in the know about US international arms sales, so I assume you must be in the business or otherwise connected.

[hellhamster]

You could boil all this down to "just let Russia win," and "lol republicans are coming for you guys!"

Just ignore it.

I thought it was weird that the US opts to choose to give $500 million in weapons to Ukraine at that precise moment of humanitarian crisis in their own soil.

I'm Greek, I don't give a rat's ass about US politics. It's just weird to me how some people are defending their regime's actions to the death as if it was gospel.

[Edge-]

I thought it was weird that the US opts to choose to give $500 million in weapons to Ukraine at that precise moment of humanitarian crisis in their own soil.

How long do you reckon it takes to find a buyer for $500M in hardware? Do you think they pay cash up front for it? How long do ya reckon it would take them to come up with the cash for it?

Is there a waiting list?

I'm Greek, I don't give a rat's ass about US politics. It's just weird to me how some people are defending their regime's actions to the death as if it was gospel.

Curious, there was another Greek in this thread with fairly consistently bad takes that also refused to actually read what others posted in correcting a lot of their incorrect assumptions and beliefs.

[hellhamster]

That's a factual correction, not an argument.



Nobody has made that argument.

- - - Updated - - -



"Europe bought some weapons so clearly they'd buy anything and everything." ok.

Were those all cash purchases, by the way? You seem to be in the know about US international arms sales, so I assume you must be in the business or otherwise connected.

Compared to the alternative, janky Russian, Chinese or Iranian crap? I know some homeboys in Crete who would pay top dollar for some old ass M-60s or whatever.

[Edge-]

Compared to the alternative, janky Russian, Chinese or Iranian crap? I know some homeboys in Crete who would pay top dollar for some old ass M-60s or whatever.

Compared to what alternative? Is there any demand for that weapons system right now from anyone who can actually pay for it?

And is this being paid for in cash up front? I keep asking, since you appear to know.

[hellhamster]

How long do you reckon it takes to find a buyer for $500M in hardware? Do you think they pay cash up front for it? How long do ya reckon it would take them to come up with the cash for it?

Is there a waiting list?



Curious, there was another Greek in this thread with fairly consistently bad takes that also refused to actually read what others posted in correcting a lot of their incorrect assumptions and beliefs.

I don't know if there's a waiting list, but I'm sure it won't be a long one.

Well maybe we both perceive a lot of things that you Americans do as weird, as I'm sure the opposite is true as well.

I mean, just think about it: there is a humanitarian crisis in your biggest state, and the government gives out $500 million worth of weapons? Does that not strike a bell?

- - - Updated - - -

Compared to what alternative? Is there any demand for that weapons system right now from anyone who can actually pay for it?

And is this being paid for in cash up front? I keep asking, since you appear to know.

The alternative being janky Russian, Chinese or Iranian crap. Why is the payment plan a problem for you? Set up payment with cash in front, I receive a 2% discount. Problem solved. I'll take 500 M-16's, you can use the money for California, thank you very much sir.

[gondrin]

I'm just glad the Americans in this thread feel proud and happy the $500 million was money well spent.

So, I see someone needs a refresher on how the US government does its budgeting.

The US Government doesn't budget and then spends according to that budget. They order stuff and then budget accordingly. That is one of the reasons why things to government buys tends to also be between reasonably priced to basically being robbed blind. Nearly EVERY SINGLE SOVEIRGN GOVERNMENT DOES IT LIKE THIS. So that $500M was already spent WAY before these fires ever became a thing. It was 1 or more work orders that were put into whatever defense contractors make said weapons. Also, the US cannot, although they do, sell weapons already made going to somewhere else. It would require an Act of Congress to stop those shipments of weapons.

Also, when it comes to infrastructure type spending, $500M will get you pretty much about diddly squat when it comes to disaster prevention. Especially ones that cannot be predicted like these fires, hurricanes, tornadoes and the like.

EDIT: Want to add that the reason why there are budget fights every year is because the product has been ordered and now we are in debt to pay those contractors or anyone else that billed the US government throughout the year. The argument is whether or not we should actually pay these people. When a budget doesn't get voted on or gets stalled, those same contractors, who fulfilled their obligations, now aren't going to get paid because some people in Congress don't like paying others.

[Edge-]

I don't know if there's a waiting list, but I'm sure it won't be a long one.

Surely! And this is based off your extensive experience and knowledge in the arms sale industry like...?

Well maybe we both perceive a lot of things that you Americans do as weird, as I'm sure the opposite is true as well.

More that you both come in with weird, mostly incorrect/uninformed takes and arguments that coincidentally tend to be explicitly or implicitly pro-Russia.

I mean, just think about it: there is a humanitarian crisis in your biggest state, and the government gives out $500 million worth of weapons? Does that not strike a bell?

To anyone with functional critical thinking skills? No. It's like walking and chewing gum at the same time. Two different actions that can happen simultaneously.

The alternative being janky Russian, Chinese or Iranian crap. Why is the payment plan a problem for you? Set up payment with cash in front, I receive a 2- discount. Problem solved. I'll take 500 M-16's, you can use the money for California, thank you very much sir.

Because if you sell $500M in arms and get 10% up front and the remaining 90% over a 10 year fixed period then that's not really as much money to help with an immediate crisis as you think.

Because you continue to think $500M is just gonna be dropped outta thin air, in cash, to be spent immediately. While also ignoring that the incoming administration and current US Congress have clearly signaled that they're not interested in providing disaster aid for California, which is a completely separate topic that's not for this thread that you also seem wholly uninformed on.

You seem to think reality works like a videogame and it's honestly kinda funny and sad.

[Saradain]

True colours revealed. He was in this thread years ago anyway, saying how Ukraine can't last or some shit like that, and was surprised they are holding on. TLDR; russian shill as of now, bringing whataboutism (what about muh californian wildfires? don't help Ukraine!).

[hellhamster]

I know you Americans are ultra rich and $500 millies is peanuts basically. You can budget a few hundred million for aide in California in no time, I'm sure that will happen.

But for the love of god, think that maybe something does not sit right with the message to the world of $500 millions worth of weapons gifted to Ukraine at the same time when there are dozens dead, there are dozens of billions worth of properties destroyed, as well as incalculable damages to the ecosystem?

- - - Updated - - -

True colours revealed. He was in this thread years ago anyway, saying how Ukraine can't last or some shit like that, and was surprised they are holding on. TLDR; russian shill as of now, bringing whataboutism (what about muh californian wildfires? don't help Ukraine!).

I'm for Ukraine, smartass. I grew up in a village with many Ukrainians and Georgians whose parents escaped the Soviet Union.

By the way that was the same opinion a Ukrainian friend who had family in Kyiv shared with me.

[Edge-]

I know you Americans are ultra rich and $500 millies is peanuts basically. You can budget a few hundred million for aide in California in no time, I'm sure that will happen.

You should make a thread about the CA/LA fires if you really, really, really, really want to discuss them. This is the thread for the war in Ukraine, dude.

I'm not sure what "you americans are ultra rich" has anything to do with anything considering I'm pointing out that nobody else is just sitting on that kinda cash waiting to spend it on a weapons system at the drop of a hat, rofl.

But for the love of god, think that maybe something does not sit right with the message to the world of $500 millions worth of weapons gifted to Ukraine at the same time when there are dozens dead, there are dozens of billions worth of properties destroyed, as well as incalculable damages to the ecosystem?

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. You've been told, and ignored, that aid is going to be held up by Republicans in the US anyways. You clearly aren't reading anything people write and tell you to try to inform you.

Why are you even here?

- - - Updated - - -

I'm for Ukraine, smartass. I grew up in a village with many Ukrainians and Georgians whose parents escaped the Soviet Union.

By the way that was the same opinion a Ukrainian friend who had family in Kyiv shared with me.

Same vibes.

[Kaleredar]

I know you Americans are ultra rich and $500 millies is peanuts basically. You can budget a few hundred million for aide in California in no time, I'm sure that will happen.

But for the love of god, think that maybe something does not sit right with the message to the world of $500 millions worth of weapons gifted to Ukraine at the same time when there are dozens dead, there are dozens of billions worth of properties destroyed, as well as incalculable damages to the ecosystem?

America can spend money on more than one thing at a time. Ukraine is also having problems with fires killing people. Fires caused by Russian munitions. This American aid goes to help stop that.

The only people in the US trying to spin this as some form of monetary pearl-clutching are intentionally partisan hacks and aren’t interested in helping anyone, and are only interested in scoring political points.

Which are you doing?


Los Angeles will be fine. One of the largest metropolitan regions in the world in one of the wealthiest singular regions in the world. And if there’s a lack of monetary aid coming from the federal government it won’t be because “the money just isn’t there,” it’ll be because Trump and other dishonest, manipulative leaders are intentionally keeping it from them for their own political and even personal gain.