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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Yes, let's keep doing what we're doing, keep prolonging this war for decades. That works wonders.
    We're approaching year 3 of the "3-day special operation", we're still a long way off from reaching a singular decade.

    If I didn't know better I'd think you're actively trying to make sure nobody takes you seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Yes, let's keep doing what we're doing, keep prolonging this war for decades. That works wonders.
    I think that's up to Ukraine, more than anyone. You clearly don't, and want Russia to win.

    Particularly when a macro-scale look at Russia shows collapsing support for the war and climbing economic chaos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    We're approaching year 3 of the "3-day special operation", we're still a long way off from reaching a singular decade.

    If I didn't know better I'd think you're actively trying to make sure nobody takes you seriously.
    Maidan was in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I think that's up to Ukraine, more than anyone. You clearly don't, and want Russia to win.

    Particularly when a macro-scale look at Russia shows collapsing support for the war and climbing economic chaos.
    I hope you're right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Maidan was in 2014.
    Crimea was annexed then, yes. And hostilities ended until Russia decided they wanted to take more Ukrainian territory.

    That is how linear time works, yes.

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    Seems like Ukraine used Atacms and Storm Shadow last night. It explains the increased pro-Russia shilling online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Sell them for $500 million and send the money to California? Is this really the argument?
    We're pretty sure you don't actually have an argument at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Plenty of regimes willing to pay top dollar for US equipment. I'm sure they can find a way, as they have many times in the past. But no, they won't do that for some Californians.

    I'd do a better job than whatever the 4 billion dollars was supposed to do. Pretty sure anyone could.
    Nobody thinks for a second you could do a better job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Incorrect, I said I hope the war ends quickly by any means necessary. If Zelensky wins and Russia fucks off, that's a big win, but if Russia wins and Zelensky fucks off, that is not preferable, because they will likely lose their sovereingty, but at least no more Ukrainians will be killed.
    It would seme you don't know how oppressive colonial regimes work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alach View Post
    As it has been explained ad nauseum in this thread over the years. It does not work that way. It is not a wad of cash. How is this not better understood.

    To steal the line from Walter from the Big Lebowski, "you're out of you're out of your element."

    My lord, how are we three years into this and people still don't understand the basics.
    11 years*.

    Russian invaded Ukraine in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Yes, that is why it shocked me. I think that survival is more important when you have family in the region of war.
    You are asking people to trust Putin's Russia to let the Ukrainians live in peace if they just surrendered? The Putin's Russia that is responsible for what happened to Ukrainian civilians in places like Bucha?

    Are you retarded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polgara View Post
    You can have opinions, but the opinion of "this shit will be fixed by america murdering a head of state" needs evidence that the opinion isn't just delusion. You have >one< person who told you something, that could have just been a Russian troll for all we know (and likewise, my claim of having spoken through an intermediate about Ukrainian opinion the same), but I never claimed something as extreme as "murder zelensky or putin and shit will fix".

    You want to have opinions that go PAST the realm of entirely subjective taste, you need to put some effort in. You don't want to, then don't be surprised when people call it out because it's incongruent to reality.
    To be fair, if the US just plain murdering Putin would probably end the war.

    It would be a bigger political disaster than if Putin nuked Ukraine, but it would probably end the war yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Incorrect, I said I hope the war ends quickly by any means necessary. If Zelensky wins and Russia fucks off, that's a big win, but if Russia wins and Zelensky fucks off, that is not preferable, because they will likely lose their sovereingty, but at least no more Ukrainians will be killed.
    Yep. You are retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    4 billion? What a fantastic use of resources this has been. I'm sure the people who lost their homes will be extremely understanding for that department's firebreak management and forest thinning.
    Another absolutely garbage take.

    You're so obviously out of your depth when it comes to understanding the sheer scope of how much CalFIRE does and what that costs.

    And I say this as someone who was evacuated from my home for a week during a California wildfire. I spent two days thinking I'd lost everything, but while the fire burned structures a block away from my home, it spared me, unlike my girlfriend at the time, whose home was lost.
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    So.....this one sounds pretty believable. Russan banks want to take all the russan rubles and only leave people with small ammout of money (something like 350$ worth).
    Kinda communism all over again.
    What makes this funny is that familys who got $$$ for dead soldier will now get totaly ripped off by goverment. (i kinda wonder if anyone got paid tho as i havent seen anything in media)

    And some russan cia like officer got a axe into a face in russan pentagon.

    Another news i heared is that they use russan money as toilet paper in other countrys as its lost all the value.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    So.....this one sounds pretty believable. Russan banks want to take all the russan rubles and only leave people with small ammout of money (something like 350$ worth).
    Kinda communism all over again.
    What makes this funny is that familys who got $$$ for dead soldier will now get totaly ripped off by goverment. (i kinda wonder if anyone got paid tho as i havent seen anything in media)

    And some russan cia like officer got a axe into a face in russan pentagon.

    Another news i heared is that they use russan money as toilet paper in other countrys as its lost all the value.
    Are there any sources for any of this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Are there any sources for any of this?
    I believe it's about this:

    https://www.reuters.com/markets/rate...rs-2025-01-13/
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Greece is a fifth world country in comparison to California and their resources. It's sad to see this happening in countries with dozens of times the budget per capita compared to Greece.

    Because I am from Greece and actually know people from forestry departments who have spent nights patrolling and sleeping in forests and have woken up amidst a fire, you should just stop.
    Dude, we lumped billiona to your shitstate country so it could perform even the most basic of functions, you are last person to talk about anyones money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Are there any sources for any of this?
    This guy for example:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DArtk1rL-hk&t=902s

    But still looking for more trusted sources with no bias (wich dont exist).
    https://telegrafi.com/en/oficeri-rus...e-eshte-vrare/
    https://meduza.io/en/news/2025/01/14...central-moscow
    https://kyivindependent.com/russian-...media-reports/
    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/45427

    Mekh already linked the other source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    So.....this one sounds pretty believable. Russan banks want to take all the russan rubles and only leave people with small ammout of money (something like 350$ worth).
    Kinda communism all over again.
    What makes this funny is that familys who got $$$ for dead soldier will now get totaly ripped off by goverment. (i kinda wonder if anyone got paid tho as i havent seen anything in media)

    And some russan cia like officer got a axe into a face in russan pentagon.

    Another news i heared is that they use russan money as toilet paper in other countrys as its lost all the value.
    Lovely, the russians should really start considering Mme. Guillotine as a valid alternative to poo-tin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    So.....this one sounds pretty believable. Russan banks want to take all the russan rubles and only leave people with small ammout of money (something like 350$ worth).
    Kinda communism all over again.
    What makes this funny is that familys who got $$$ for dead soldier will now get totaly ripped off by goverment. (i kinda wonder if anyone got paid tho as i havent seen anything in media)

    And some russan cia like officer got a axe into a face in russan pentagon.

    Another news i heared is that they use russan money as toilet paper in other countrys as its lost all the value.
    I can't imagine the oligarchs and general idle wealthy will be too content with that notion.

    I'm sure the oligarchy-est of them will be spared from any such thing for "reasons," but no matter how you cut it that sounds like an eventual cut to their bottom line.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    11 years*.

    Russian invaded Ukraine in 2014.
    Yep, I'm aware. I was here.

    In this case I was referring to the practice of reporting aid being delivered to Ukraine in $$ figures which isn't exactly accurate and continues to a sticking point for people who are, 'It would be best for Ukraine to just surrender for peace" or "Think of where that money could be better spent." or the "Im just concerned all the money is being used to prolong the war." The real pearl clutching type.

    Its been pointed out repeatly that this is not how this works, but the media still has a fault in this for not properly explaining things, and of course, dumb people not being interested in actually learning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Crimea was annexed then, yes. And hostilities ended until Russia decided they wanted to take more Ukrainian territory.

    That is how linear time works, yes.
    Hostilities never truly ended in the Donbas.

    See War in Donbas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Crimea was annexed then, yes. And hostilities ended until Russia decided they wanted to take more Ukrainian territory.

    That is how linear time works, yes.
    This war has been going on for a while, but you probably weren't aware of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    Dude, we lumped billiona to your shitstate country so it could perform even the most basic of functions, you are last person to talk about anyones money.
    Lumped? You mean loaned at a rate and fully returned in 2022. But thanks for the ignorance, derogatory generalisation and prejudice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Another absolutely garbage take.

    You're so obviously out of your depth when it comes to understanding the sheer scope of how much CalFIRE does and what that costs.

    And I say this as someone who was evacuated from my home for a week during a California wildfire. I spent two days thinking I'd lost everything, but while the fire burned structures a block away from my home, it spared me, unlike my girlfriend at the time, whose home was lost.
    Well, like I said to Edge, CalFIRE and other government bodies responsible will come under the microscope, we will see if I was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Well, like I said to Edge, CalFIRE and other government bodies responsible will come under the microscope, we will see if I was right.
    Your shitty bias screams loudly when you pretend that they've not always been under a microscope.

    "We just need to dig harder and eventually we'll get to the truth!" is the dogma of a devout conspiracy theorist in the face of contrary evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post


    Lumped? You mean loaned at a rate and fully returned in 2022. But thanks for the ignorance, derogatory generalisation and prejudice.

    .
    What the hell are you talking about.
    You won't be done paying these debts/loans until 2040+
    You are talking only about the IWF loans, which are like 10% of what "you" owe to the euro-zone countries overall.
    That's 28 billion out of 280 (or however much that was) you received - although I'm not sure if "you" actually took all 280, but at least 200.

    Not to mention the 2(+?) huge debt reliefs of like a 100 billion?
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