Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Jastall]

Funny how these kind of posters always mention Ukraine getting aid and weapons but never Israel, who receive the same, quadrupled.

But you see, when people say that American money should go to Americans, that obviously also includes the foreign nation that, by sheer coincidence, happens to run by far the biggest lobby in Washington out of any of them. That's just good business.

[Gorsameth]

Frankly, we should pull all our aid. Fix our shit here. Let the rest of the world burn for all I fucking care.

If Palestinians can't do anything except be subjugated by Hamas, then I don't give a fuck if Isreal glasses the lot. Then if that makes other Muslim's mad and they glass Isreal, a single tear won't be shed by me. I'm sick and tired of hearing it.

At some point Isrealis need to be realized they're being attacked by every angle over there and should probably just fuck off.

Same with Ukraine. They're not a part of NATO, they don't want to be a part of Russia, time to fucking flee.

I cannot be fucked to care anymore.

"We fucked shit up there and then we left yelling F U to those left behind in the ashes" is how you got a plane flying into a tower, just fyi.

[fwc577]

"We fucked shit up there and then we left yelling F U to those left behind in the ashes" is how you got a plane flying into a tower, just fyi.

We shouldn't have fucked shit up in the first place.

FAFO.

Might as well get out and not further continue to fuck shit up.

[Shadowferal]

Ukraine is an investment, and cheap at the price.

..hmm..Germany just sent this pretty piece of hardware;

[Kaleredar]

Frankly, we should pull all our aid. Fix our shit here. Let the rest of the world burn for all I fucking care.

If Palestinians can't do anything except be subjugated by Hamas, then I don't give a fuck if Isreal glasses the lot. Then if that makes other Muslim's mad and they glass Isreal, a single tear won't be shed by me. I'm sick and tired of hearing it.

At some point Isrealis need to be realized they're being attacked by every angle over there and should probably just fuck off.

Same with Ukraine. They're not a part of NATO, they don't want to be a part of Russia, time to fucking flee.

I cannot be fucked to care anymore.

You think there’s a minimum safe distance.

That is a dangerous assumption.

Britain and France thought they had a minimum safe distance from Germany in the 1930s. The just Britain thought that. Then bombs were being dropped on their heads. The US thought they were safe playing the coy little lend lease game. Then Japan sank a whole bunch of US military property.

Increased insularity doesn’t actually mean people will leave you alone, it just means you have fewer friends when people who want your stuff come a knocking.


Aid needs to be spent wisely, not eliminated. And even if you’re being cynical and self-interested in just the US, the US aiding Ukraine is in the US’s interests. Russia is absolutely a hostile foreign power to the US. They’re no small part of why Trump was elected.

[PhaelixWW]

Ukraine is an investment, and cheap at the price.

This.

Even if you don't believe in the moral aspect of it, the massive benefits of sending aid to Ukraine should not be ignored.

First, it's allowed us to effectively "use" much of our old and dated arsenal of weapons against a foe that still continues to threaten legitimate democracy on the world stage. And without the normal subsequent loss of American lives. This also allows us to update our armory (though, frankly, we would be doing anyway) with more modern weapons. Also, the information we get back on how some of these weapons work in a real-world environment against a (arguably) near-peer opponent is also extremely useful in designing the next generation of military equipment.

Simply put, we absolutely do not want the current incarnation of Russia to extend the threat of its power over more of the world. But we also do not want to go to war with them. Giving weapons to the victims of blatant and unwarranted Russian aggression, on the other hand?

When both the moral and the practical concerns are in favor of the same solution, it should be a no-brainer.

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You think there’s a minimum safe distance.

That is a dangerous assumption.

It also ignores that the US is a part of NATO and NATO already shares multiple borders with Russia, via Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and now Finland, as well as Lithuania and Poland through Kaliningrad. If Russia were to take control of Ukraine and Georgia, it would add borders with Slovakia, Hungary, Turkey, and Romania.

Russia could easily pull the US into a war by simply rolling a few tanks across any of a number of borders.

[Shadowferal]

So far it's been money well-spent. Russia's troops, and mechs have been grinding down. Even worse, Russia's ability to finance the conflict runs out in November..I think.
As a superpower Russia is imploding.

[diller]

Or as that Ukrainian I mentioned told me which shocked me, murder Zelensky and let Putin control Ukraine if it lets their people live.

Your "friend" sound as smart as you.

[Neufab]

Your "friend" sound as smart as you.

That friend is as real as his pro-ukraine opinion.

[hellhamster]

Your "friend" sound as smart as you.

Ad hominems. Stay classy.

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Where some people find the unearned confidence to so confidently talk shit about subjects they're clearly 100% oblivious about will always be a mystery to me.

Are you talking about yourself, or do you really think that there won't be an in-depth investigation of what went wrong?

You didn't even know this war started a decade ago.

[Joszef Kiprich]

Or, Putin dies (of "natural" causes ofcourse, like falling out of a window). Russia GTFO out of Ukraine, no more war, people live.
That would probably be too difficult.

[KrayZ33]

Ad hominems. Stay classy.

Not sure what you expect, considering your "friend" apparently thinks that killinig the elected president and putting some insane autocrat in charge is the way to go.
If you want people to use arguments, perhaps yours shouldn't be something as stupid as that.

"If you *really* wanna help Ukraine do this: Kill the president - which one? Doesn't matter, but I prefer if it's Putin"

lmao.

[hellhamster]

Not sure what you expect, considering your "friend" apparently thinks that killinig the elected president and putting some insane autocrat in charge is the way to go.
If you want people to use arguments, perhaps yours shouldn't be something as stupid as that.

"If you *really* wanna help Ukraine do this: Kill the president - which one? Doesn't matter, but I prefer if it's Putin"

lmao.

In case your brain didn't process it, my friend was referring to the fact that he doesn't give a shit who rules as long as the war is over and his family is safe. In case you also didn't notice, Ukrainians have been under threat from Russia for a long time.

But no, you and everyone else gotta vomit some shitheel response, because you are shitposting from the comfort of your armchair 6,000 kilometers away.

[KrayZ33]

In case your brain didn't process it, my friend was referring to the fact that he doesn't give a shit who rules as long as the war is over and his family is safe. In case you also didn't notice, Ukrainians have been under threat from Russia for a long time.

But no, you and everyone else gotta vomit some shitheel response, because you are shitposting from the comfort of your armchair 6,000 kilometers away.

In case *you* didn't process it, you suggested the same thing with putin, you imbecile, and you think that's an argument and "actually helping" instead of what is, well actually helping. So, as mentioned, don't expect when people call you out on your stupidity if you think that's "actually helping."

And I don't know if Mr. "Greece has repaid its debt in 2022 in full", even though the rates of 2,5billion per year will be ongoing until 2040+ from the *first* GLF program should talk about shitposting.

[Gabriel]

In case your brain didn't process it, my friend was referring to the fact that he doesn't give a shit who rules as long as the war is over and his family is safe. In case you also didn't notice, Ukrainians have been under threat from Russia for a long time.

But no, you and everyone else gotta vomit some shitheel response, because you are shitposting from the comfort of your armchair 6,000 kilometers away.

What on earth makes you or your friend think they would be safe if Putin took over Ukraine?

[Joszef Kiprich]

More important; is the friend in the room with us?

[gondrin]

Frankly, we should pull all our aid. Fix our shit here. Let the rest of the world burn for all I fucking care.

If Palestinians can't do anything except be subjugated by Hamas, then I don't give a fuck if Isreal glasses the lot. Then if that makes other Muslim's mad and they glass Isreal, a single tear won't be shed by me. I'm sick and tired of hearing it.

At some point Isrealis need to be realized they're being attacked by every angle over there and should probably just fuck off.

Same with Ukraine. They're not a part of NATO, they don't want to be a part of Russia, time to fucking flee.

I cannot be fucked to care anymore.

Ok, I know you have been banned however I will reply to this. As someone else said in the thread, it is more about long term thinking than immediate needs. Russia most definitely will not stop with Ukraine. While they are joking about it now by saying "Maybe we should take back Alaska", those jokes tend to get very real very fast. And, the last time I checked, that is US soil. So by putting that funding into Ukraine, as terrible as this might sound, it basically forces Russia to not go anywhere else as they cannot afford to look anywhere else.

Yes, this means that, as of now, and I said it sounds terrible because it is, Ukraine is the target. It removes the target from countries like Finland, Poland, Sweden, Denmark and other countries that, if Ukraine got taken over, would be next in line.

Much like, now with Trump actually threatening sanctions onto Denmark if, for some reason, they don't force the sale of Greenland to the US, Putin most definitely will not stop with Ukraine. People that crave power only want more power. More control. Remember, Trump joked about Greenland. Now he isn't. You take people like Putin, Trump, Xi at their word. As being lax thinking it is a joke can easily backfire.

[alach]

Oh God. This again.
What is it? Every 3 months someone comes in here with the bright idea that giving Putin what he wants will save Ukraine.
Wish they would follow through on that thought.

[gondrin]

In case your brain didn't process it, my friend was referring to the fact that he doesn't give a shit who rules as long as the war is over and his family is safe. In case you also didn't notice, Ukrainians have been under threat from Russia for a long time.

But no, you and everyone else gotta vomit some shitheel response, because you are shitposting from the comfort of your armchair 6,000 kilometers away.

Let me ask you this. What makes you think that Putin won't put every single man, women and child in the Gulag that resisted? What makes you think your friend would be safe?

Here is a little fact people need to understand. They need to look at history. Specifically right before WW2 when Nazi Germany arose. No, I am not comparing Russia to Nazi Germany. However, they originally didn't target Jews that were supporters of the Nazi regime. They were safe, until they weren't.

People like Putin ALWAYS needs an enemy. Anyways. That is the fascist playbook.

[Azadina]

Oh God. This again.
What is it? Every 3 months someone comes in here with the bright idea that giving Putin what he wants will save Ukraine.
Wish they would follow through on that thought.

It's like someone said earlier; Ukraine did sizable launch at Russia, so like a clockwork, there's going to be a one of the useful idiots spouting Kremlin talking points.

I kind of miss the actual Kremlin trolls. At least they were....well, for real. The useful idiots on the other hand... fucking traitors the whole lot really. Should just go to their precious RuZZia, instead of shilling for Putler from the western comfort.